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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/02 17:28:16
Subject: [STAW] What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Fixture of Dakka
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What would you like to be added in the game? By that it can be any ships, play style like having boarding parties, or rules for shuttles. How about having different star bases besides DS9. Who would like to have the Star Base from the movies? Maybe even some construction yard bases?
Like to hear your ideas. (I guess I should say read your ideas)
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/02 17:29:53
Subject: Star Trek Attack Wing: What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Solahma
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Can you give me a rundown on what DS9 does in the game? Is it just terrain or is it more interactive?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/02 17:37:08
Subject: Star Trek Attack Wing: What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Fixture of Dakka
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I don't have it, so I don't know what it really does. There is a card for it, so I believe it just behaves like a ship that doesn't move.
Maybe someone else has it and knows how it plays.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/02 17:48:03
Subject: Star Trek Attack Wing: What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Solahma
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I like the idea of interactive terrain pieces more so than static obstacles. Anything along those lines would be welcome in the game, IMO.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/02 17:50:20
Subject: Star Trek Attack Wing: What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Manchu wrote:Can you give me a rundown on what DS9 does in the game? Is it just terrain or is it more interactive?
The prize DS9 counts as a ship that is a stationary. It has a 360 degree 5 die attack that is range 1-2. It has 3 pylons that each get a 5 die attack with a 90 degree arc at range 1-3. So that is 4 attacks a turn, that can all shoot at a different enemy. However it still only gets on action a turn. It can still have a Captain and crew. DS9 works best when it is placed in the middle of the table. If you place it in a corner its fire power is reduced drastically.
Its current rules are a little basic, it is really only for friendly games. However in November there will be a retail release of it for $100 US. it will have expanded rules and a new special station movement dial.
The prize DS9 is a beautiful model, it has the best detail of any of the Attack Wing line. I can't speak for the retail release because I have not seen it up close, but the distributor adds say it will have a different paint job. I don't know why because this is fantastic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/02 17:54:34
Subject: Star Trek Attack Wing: What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Solahma
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It looks great!
I also saw the huge-sized Borg cube at GenCon this year and it looks pretty awesome, too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/02 17:56:51
Subject: Star Trek Attack Wing: What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Manchu wrote:I like the idea of interactive terrain pieces more so than static obstacles. Anything along those lines would be welcome in the game, IMO.
We have a few things like that. Dominion War OP1 gave us Self Replicating Mines. They act like a regular obstacle, but if you roll a hit or a crit you have to keep rolling up to a maximum of 4 damage. A lot of people learned to fly better by the end or that OP month.
Also from the Dominion War we got Orbital Weapons Platforms. They have 4 attacks, 0 agility, 2 hull, 6 shields. They have a range of 1-2 and will attack the closest target. In one OP they could not be destroyed in another we could blow them up. However they are open for use in friendly games.
I scooped up a stash of them from various OP tournaments I went to. Most TOs give out the map elements after the tournament.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Manchu wrote:It looks great!
I also saw the huge-sized Borg cube at GenCon this year and it looks pretty awesome, too.
It is supposed to be a massive 8 inches by 8 inches. That is huge for a game this size. I have nightmares thinking about what that thing will come with. From what I have seen Wizkids is only displaying a nonpainted proto type. I can't wait to see what the finished product looks like.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/02 18:34:50
Subject: Star Trek Attack Wing: What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Crafty Bray Shaman
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Yeah, the Big Cube is pretty scary.
What I would like to see is a bit more balance...there's definitely a bit of power creep with how Borg have pretty much taken over in my area. I think part of the problem is that some factions are relatively well fleshed out. I know I'm not the biggest ST geek, but they've put out just about every different type of Klingon ship they could. They can do things like they did with the OP ships and give different versions of the same ships with different upgrades, but I'm not aware of any 'new' ships they could put out. Not that Klingons need a ton of help, but my poor Romulans tend to just fall over left and right.
To sum up; I want Romulans to get better. Cloaked mines notwithstanding, I've not had much luck with them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/02 18:59:55
Subject: Star Trek Attack Wing: What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Stubborn Prosecutor
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spyguyyoda wrote:Yeah, the Big Cube is pretty scary.
What I would like to see is a bit more balance...there's definitely a bit of power creep with how Borg have pretty much taken over in my area. I think part of the problem is that some factions are relatively well fleshed out. I know I'm not the biggest ST geek, but they've put out just about every different type of Klingon ship they could. They can do things like they did with the OP ships and give different versions of the same ships with different upgrades, but I'm not aware of any 'new' ships they could put out. Not that Klingons need a ton of help, but my poor Romulans tend to just fall over left and right.
To sum up; I want Romulans to get better. Cloaked mines notwithstanding, I've not had much luck with them.
I am a big Romulan fan. I have been a little disappointed in what we have gotten so far but there are some stars on the horizon.
November-Scimitar
January-Drone Ship, from Enterprise
February-Haakona, warbird from Next Gen.
Also pics from GenCon suggest that the Avatar of Tomed is going to be either a prize or blind booster for the Resistance is Futile OP.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/02 21:36:43
Subject: Star Trek Attack Wing: What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I want to see the Son'a, a proper subfaction for the Dominion.
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Theophony"... and there's strippers in terminator armor and lovecraftian shenanigans afoot."
Solar_Lion: "Man this sums up your blog nicely."
Anpu-adom: "being Geek is about Love. Some love broadly. Some love deeply. And then there are people like Graven. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/02 22:44:33
Subject: Star Trek Attack Wing: What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I want to see Andorians
Early Klingon BOPs and D5s
Romulan D7s
Retail Nebula class plus Ambassador and Akira classes
Romulan Scorpion class fighters
AND I want to see a Romulan ship somewhere between 18 and 30 points!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/02 23:19:15
Subject: Re:Star Trek Attack Wing: What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I want to see the borg brought back into line with some form of FAQ/nerfbat. The Romulans boosted.
I'd really like to see a stronger emphasis from the company towards faction based fleets, perhaps with the ability to take a 'cameo' ship from the independents to mix it up (perhaps disallow borg taking that, representing their lack of chumminess and inclination to absorb potential allies).
I'd also like to see some form of focus brought to the unnamed ships. STAW doesn't take into account the special abilities of the named ships in point allocation, so taking named is always better sense for the free ability... I'd like to see the 'rank and file' of unnamed vessels and captains gain some ability or point drop to make them worthwhile to take along.
I'd love more emphasis on fleets instead of ridiculously overtooled single min/maxed ships. The big ship engagements we saw in DS9 are where it's at for me. Fleet v fleet... but then I'm a BFG junkie...
I would also say I'd love to see better quality ships, in terms of painting and models, but as the models are multiple scales and I intend to go in and sort it all via alternative models and repaints, that bothers me a deal less, but there are times, watching Xwing, that I do get FFG treatment envy...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/03 04:21:36
Subject: [STAW] What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Solahma
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I'd like to see some more 22nd century ships. First on the priority list -- Andorian ships!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/03 10:58:56
Subject: [STAW] What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Manchu wrote:I'd like to see some more 22nd century ships. First on the priority list -- Andorian ships!
Very true, the Andorian was a very nice design as were the Xindi ships (you can keep the ridiculous lego bits that were the suliban though).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/03 15:04:01
Subject: [STAW] What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Stubborn Prosecutor
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MeanGreenStompa wrote: Manchu wrote:I'd like to see some more 22nd century ships. First on the priority list -- Andorian ships!
Very true, the Andorian was a very nice design as were the Xindi ships (you can keep the ridiculous lego bits that were the suliban though).
I am not the biggest Enterprise fan, but I am all for adding more to the game. As long as they are in line with the era they are from. They should be able to hold their own against some of the smaller TOS ships, but should be way out classed against things like the Excelsior & Kronos One.
Personally I would like to see more TOS. There isn't as much material as the other series but they could do another Constitution class, Romulan D7s, Kang's D7, the Klothos for Kor. Oh and without a doubt Krug's BoP from Search for Spock.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/03 15:26:18
Subject: [STAW] What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Solahma
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When you say "Kang's D7" or "Krug's BoP" do you mean new versions of existing ships (same ship stats, different upgrade cards) or new ships (different ship stats)?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/03 16:00:44
Subject: [STAW] What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Stubborn Prosecutor
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Manchu wrote:When you say "Kang's D7" or "Krug's BoP" do you mean new versions of existing ships (same ship stats, different upgrade cards) or new ships (different ship stats)?
Same ships with same stats, but new upgrades and possibly different upgrade slots. Just like the B'Moth and Kronos One. Both are K'tinga class ships with the same stats, but they have different upgrade slots. Same for the generic K'Tingas that come with both.
B'Moth has a tech, 2 weapons, 1 crew. The generic drops a weapon.
Kronos One has, 2 weapons, 2 crew. The generic drops a crew.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/03 17:00:05
Subject: [STAW] What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Mr. S Baldrick wrote: Manchu wrote:When you say "Kang's D7" or "Krug's BoP" do you mean new versions of existing ships (same ship stats, different upgrade cards) or new ships (different ship stats)?
Same ships with same stats, but new upgrades and possibly different upgrade slots. Just like the B'Moth and Kronos One. Both are K'tinga class ships with the same stats, but they have different upgrade slots. Same for the generic K'Tingas that come with both.
B'Moth has a tech, 2 weapons, 1 crew. The generic drops a weapon.
Kronos One has, 2 weapons, 2 crew. The generic drops a crew.
This is also the case for the D'Deridex generics in the boxed set and the named.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/03 17:25:23
Subject: [STAW] What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Stubborn Prosecutor
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Same goes for the 2 different Breen ships, and the 2 TOS Romulan BoPs. I am not sure yet about the 2 Jem H'dar beetles. I haven't picked up the blind pack one yet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/03 17:41:35
Subject: [STAW] What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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5th Wing: Tech, weapon, weapon, crew.
3rd Wing: Tech, weapon, crew, crew.
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Theophony"... and there's strippers in terminator armor and lovecraftian shenanigans afoot."
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Anpu-adom: "being Geek is about Love. Some love broadly. Some love deeply. And then there are people like Graven. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/04 18:26:37
Subject: [STAW] What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Crafty Bray Shaman
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Thanks Mr Baldrick, I haven't had much chance to pay attention to rumors.
Like the Penguin, I think that having ships more in the mid- to low-twenties point range would be a huge boost.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/04 18:54:15
Subject: [STAW] What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I would also love to see the various cardassian freighters. Not that I'm biased...
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Theophony"... and there's strippers in terminator armor and lovecraftian shenanigans afoot."
Solar_Lion: "Man this sums up your blog nicely."
Anpu-adom: "being Geek is about Love. Some love broadly. Some love deeply. And then there are people like Graven. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/04 19:48:13
Subject: [STAW] What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Solahma
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- 22nd Century Klingon BoP
- Orion Interceptor
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/06 16:04:19
Subject: [STAW] What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I'd also love to see some OPs centered around the notion of taking huge amounts of unnamed ships with generic captains.
Like a ##pts game, one named captain/ship/crewman only per list, no mixing.
Would be cool to see what people came up with and how it changes the powerbase.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/06 17:26:10
Subject: Re:[STAW] What else would you like to be added in the game?
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I'd like to see another Species 8472 Bioship in the 20 point range and some new cards for them. I see that ship, and I really, really wonder why it was a Wave release and not an OP Prize. Seriously.
New Admirals. I really can't believe that the Feds now have TWO admirals, while the Dominion and Vulkans(!?!) have one.
It's too bad they are not following any kind of ship conventions or the old Star Fleet Battles races from Amarillo Design Bureau. I'd love to see some Lyrans or Kizinti ships- or the ISC for that matter...
Who knows? Wizkids are about out of Hero Click Star Trek models. We might start seeing some actual, new stuff soon!
There is a lot of things I'd like to see taken OUT of the game though.
Weyoun and Val combo. Volley of Torpedoes (the one that allows you to shoot multiple torps). Point system- it's all ganked up with many, many ships under cost. Higher faction penalties- 1 point isn't enough. It should be like 3-5 points. At least. I'm so tired of seeing Jean Luc Picard on a Borg ship. /yawn Ass Tubes- Yeah... not game breaking, but they don't need to be in the game. If all they did was disable...
There are so many cards (capt, crew, weapons, upgrades), and yet it's always the same Captains and upgrades as those cards are so much more superior then all the other cards in the game. :(
To the above poster about DS-9- Isn't there new DS-9 cards coming out in December with the new DS-9 that allows it to spin? With the size of the DS-9 model, you really can't play it on a 36"x36" table. You should bump the play area up to at least 48"x48" or 60"x60". Who wants to play against the DS-9 when it can throw attack dice at you from turn 1 onwards?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/06 19:10:53
Subject: [STAW] What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Legendary Dogfighter
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There are loads of ships I'm still waiting for, Enterprise B, Ambassador, Akira.
I'd love to see more squadrons of small ships, shuttles, runabouts, at least one for each faction.
More scenery models, such as K7 or the Cardassian weapon platforms.
How about a semi transparent blue crystalline entity the size of DS9?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/06 19:25:26
Subject: Re:[STAW] What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Tamwulf wrote:
It's too bad they are not following any kind of ship conventions or the old Star Fleet Battles races from Amarillo Design Bureau. I'd love to see some Lyrans or Kizinti ships- or the ISC for that matter...
Who knows? Wizkids are about out of Hero Click Star Trek models. We might start seeing some actual, new stuff soon!
There will probably never be anything from Star Fleet Battles races. Wizkids only has license to make what was in the movies and shows, nothing else.
To be fair the game has only been out for a year and they have covered a lot in that time. There are several new sculpts that do not exist inTactics:
DS9
Gal Gath'Thong
Gorn ship
Tholian ship
Scimitar
Chang's BoP (has wings up)
Vidiian ship
Hirogen
Federation Fighters
Hideki Fighters
Dauntless
Olympic Class
Some of these are not out yet but have a release date. However it does show that WK is dedicated to making new content for the game and not just re releasing tactics models.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/06 22:21:54
Subject: Re:[STAW] What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Tamwulf wrote:Higher faction penalties- 1 point isn't enough. It should be like 3-5 points. At least. I'm so tired of seeing Jean Luc Picard on a Borg ship.
Agreed. Playing faction-pure as a Romulan, if I wish to put Varel on a decent combat ship instead of the science vessel, she costs me +5 points!
Yet I can take Picard and stick him on a Valdore for +1 point
Utterly pointless penalty. I'd prefer if the game were faction pure (as we play locally) but faction penalties should be +5
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/07 05:34:28
Subject: [STAW] What else would you like to be added in the game?
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Solahma
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Perhaps a fighter-style base of Suliban cell ships?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/07 13:40:53
Subject: Re:[STAW] What else would you like to be added in the game?
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I like the idea of these Sector Battles
( http://wizkidsgames.com/blog/2014/08/29/2014-wizkids-open-tournament-rules/)
They sound fun, we will have to give them a try at home or on game night. I personally have no plans to attend the Wizkids Open though. All of them are too far to travel for the WAAC Borg  fest it appears to be.
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