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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/09 03:52:47
Subject: Space Wolves Cav or White Scars Bikers?
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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler
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Not getting any traction in the Army list forum so lets try here:
I am starting to plan a second army, but want to keep it relatively small, model count wise. I would like some input from those who have played with and/or against these kind of armies. Which is more fun, which is more competitive, that sorta thing.
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"Because the Wolves kill cleanly, and we do not. They also kill quickly, and we have never done that, either. They fight, they win, and they stalk back to their ships with their tails held high. If they were ever ordered to destroy another Legion, they would do it by hurling warrior against warrior, seeking to grind their enemies down with the admirable delusions of the 'noble savage'. If we were ever ordered to assault another Legion, we would virus bomb their recruitment worlds; slaughter their serfs and slaves; poison their gene-seed repositories and spend the next dozen decades watching them die slow, humiliating deaths. Night after night, raid after raid, we'd overwhelm stragglers from their fleets and bleach their skulls to hang from our armour, until none remained. But that isn't the quick execution the Emperor needs, is it? The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The Wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always!" —Jago Sevatarion
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/09 06:00:08
Subject: Space Wolves Cav or White Scars Bikers?
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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Both. Both is horrible and very complimentary.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/09 19:51:24
Subject: Space Wolves Cav or White Scars Bikers?
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Nurgle Chosen Marine on a Palanquin
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From what I gather, white scars will bring the melta, and objective nabbing while SW will bring the SMASH.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/09 20:48:28
Subject: Space Wolves Cav or White Scars Bikers?
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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Very true.
The thing is that White Scars work well because they can be taken as Troops and can therefore be spammed in a list.
It's possible to make a battle-forged list with no other models than bikes. And they all have objective secured. And better shooting.
On the other hand, Thunderwolf Cavalry can bring more pain when entering CC. As they are not Troops, you kind of need to build a list around them. So basically couple of squads of Grey Hunters to provide shooting and deal with enemies that are too tough for TWC and a Wolf Lord with TW mount and cc-build.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/10 07:04:01
Subject: Space Wolves Cav or White Scars Bikers?
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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler
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I would have loved a HQ that could make them troops, but alas, my dreams of a viable all wolf army are up in smoke... or snow.
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"Because the Wolves kill cleanly, and we do not. They also kill quickly, and we have never done that, either. They fight, they win, and they stalk back to their ships with their tails held high. If they were ever ordered to destroy another Legion, they would do it by hurling warrior against warrior, seeking to grind their enemies down with the admirable delusions of the 'noble savage'. If we were ever ordered to assault another Legion, we would virus bomb their recruitment worlds; slaughter their serfs and slaves; poison their gene-seed repositories and spend the next dozen decades watching them die slow, humiliating deaths. Night after night, raid after raid, we'd overwhelm stragglers from their fleets and bleach their skulls to hang from our armour, until none remained. But that isn't the quick execution the Emperor needs, is it? The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The Wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always!" —Jago Sevatarion
DR:80SGMB--I--Pw40k01#-D++++A+/fWD-R++T(T)DM+
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/10 08:24:33
Subject: Space Wolves Cav or White Scars Bikers?
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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Not sure if Wolf Wolfborn still unlocks Fenrisian Wolves as Troops. If he did, you technically could have an army of wolves.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/10 08:39:33
Subject: Re:Space Wolves Cav or White Scars Bikers?
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Been Around the Block
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You can make a battle forged all Thunderwolf list.
If you use the Company of the Great Wolf detachment from Champions of Fenris you can have 1 Thunderwolf Lord, 2 Ironpriests on wolves as elites, and then fill up with Thunderwolf cavalry. Then the White scars can be added as an Allied detachment with ObSec (not sure if you can have them as a CAD when they are allied).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/10 12:05:33
Subject: Space Wolves Cav or White Scars Bikers?
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Been Around the Block
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Lord Blackscale wrote:Not getting any traction in the Army list forum so lets try here:
I am starting to plan a second army, but want to keep it relatively small, model count wise. I would like some input from those who have played with and/or against these kind of armies. Which is more fun, which is more competitive, that sorta thing.
It's an interesting question, i'm in the same boat as you almost, but the other way around. I have White Scars and am looking at starting Space Wolves. Considering White Scars/Space Wolves could be considered as ferocious as each other, i am intruged in looking at how they might work together. Both armies have things going for them. Essentially, the White Scars would be the objective takers, with speed, flexibility, and toughness. Their access to Grav-guns will allow them to take out even the hardiest MC, and their access to Melta on fast moving platforms are good for taking out armour too. Space Wolves would be in the opponents face, assaulting everything that moves, shoving a load of dangerous units in his face (podding Dreads sounds good) putting him on the back foot while the Scars speed around the board unhindered.
Well that's my idea, i haven't looked at the Space Wolves codex yet, but i know of the murderous potential of their units in melee (especially those Murderfangs). Any potential tips would be appreciated.
White Scars are definitely not boring, but if you play a Bike themed list, which is implied if you want to play White Scars, you might get bored with your strategy solely based on speeding bikes around. Going for a mix of both Wolves and Scars, fluff wise it's pretty interesting, and you get a good mix of units so it'll be fun to play. Plus both armies can be competitive in their own way, so i say it's definitely worth a try getting them to run together and win some games.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/11 19:49:30
Subject: Space Wolves Cav or White Scars Bikers?
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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler
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I realized after reading my friend's codex that as long as your captain/chapter master is on a bike any bike squad over 5 can be a troops choice. I think that could open some interesting doors.
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"Because the Wolves kill cleanly, and we do not. They also kill quickly, and we have never done that, either. They fight, they win, and they stalk back to their ships with their tails held high. If they were ever ordered to destroy another Legion, they would do it by hurling warrior against warrior, seeking to grind their enemies down with the admirable delusions of the 'noble savage'. If we were ever ordered to assault another Legion, we would virus bomb their recruitment worlds; slaughter their serfs and slaves; poison their gene-seed repositories and spend the next dozen decades watching them die slow, humiliating deaths. Night after night, raid after raid, we'd overwhelm stragglers from their fleets and bleach their skulls to hang from our armour, until none remained. But that isn't the quick execution the Emperor needs, is it? The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The Wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always!" —Jago Sevatarion
DR:80SGMB--I--Pw40k01#-D++++A+/fWD-R++T(T)DM+
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/11 23:20:17
Subject: Space Wolves Cav or White Scars Bikers?
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Nurgle Chosen Marine on a Palanquin
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soomemafia wrote:Very true.
On the other hand, Thunderwolf Cavalry can bring more pain when entering CC. As they are not Troops, you kind of need to build a list around them. So basically couple of squads of Grey Hunters to provide shooting and deal with enemies that are too tough for TWC and a Wolf Lord with TW mount and cc-build.
You can use the champions of fenris force org for a 100% TWC army. its 1 HQ and 2 elites required. So people bring 1-4 wolf lords, 2-8 iron priests and 3 units of TWC. Plus with this, all the TWC are WS5.
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