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So this post is all about who you think is the most overpowered hero in 40k whether it is because of rules or lore.

Me personally I would have to say in my honest opinion Kaldor Draigo is the king of absurd lore and overpowered hero the fact he runs around the warp trolling all the gods and he is a beast on table top.

But prove me wrong!

Overpowered? Necron Superlord with Mindshackle Scarabs. Half the time you don't even get to attack, and the other half you're still doing zilch because of T5 3++. Oh, and to make things even worse, he hits back at S7 AP1. He isn't that massive of an investment either, and every person under sun I've seen who plays Necrons runs a carbon copy of him.

As for total killing power? Its a toss up probably between Abaddon and the Swamlord in melee and Pask or O'vesa in shooting.

If we factored in Primarchs though even the weakest in melee would be better than every melee character in 40k, you can bet.

Maugan Ra defeated an entire Tyranid splinter fleet by himself and pretty much lives in the eye of terror.

Outside of the Necron lords/overlords (BTW you could take an overlord with 5 lords, all of which have MSS/Scythe for maximum lulz) look at any character who has a "removed from play" and they will be the most insane on the tabletop.

Lukas the trickster for example, you both roll a D6 when lukas dies, if the owning player rolls higher, your character dies too.

Be'lakor is my go-to for character battles. You can't hit what you can't see! (that and armorbane/fleshbane and a stat line that makes greater daemons weep)

Wazdakka's fluff would have people screaming bloody murder if he were a Chapter Master. You don't just jump through the Void Shields of a Warlord titan on a ramshackle bike and kill the Princeps in hand-to-hand combat. It's beyond even Orkish levels of silly. Draigo's not got anything on Wazdakka.

For me lord wise the absurd characters are draigo and Marneus Calgar. As far as on the tabletop I'd have to say the most absurd character is probably the necron overlord. The ability and utility of him in CC is just absurd.

harry the hammer when fighting against undead.

Inquisitor Obi-Wan Sherlock Clouseau.

Iron hands chapter master on with terminator armor and shield eternal. The occasional FNP and IWND make this guy a pain to kill. I've often had my Overlords locked with him the entire game, but that was back when you couldn't attack into challenges. These days, his accompanying unit of assault terminators will make short work of the Overlord who maybe gets a single wound on the chapter master (which he will probably just heal soon enough).
Btw, everyone here knows mind shackle scarabs are randomly allocated to anything base to base, right? This works even in challenges. Just don't let him take on single models and you really shouldn't have any trouble.

Chancetragedy wrote:
For me lord wise the absurd characters are draigo and Marneus Calgar. As far as on the tabletop I'd have to say the most absurd character is probably the necron overlord. The ability and utility of him in CC is just absurd.

what makes Calgar on dragio level silly?

Vect!!!

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Wazdakka's fluff would have people screaming bloody murder if he were a Chapter Master. You don't just jump through the Void Shields of a Warlord titan on a ramshackle bike and kill the Princeps in hand-to-hand combat. It's beyond even Orkish levels of silly. Draigo's not got anything on Wazdakka.

This is an often used example by some people, but it really doesn't work. Let's break it down

1. You can, in fact, just jump through a Void Shield. Because they're not a hard light barrier like force fields in other Sci-Fi series. They work using a poorly defined warp technology, that distorts incoming high speed projectiles. But it also lets in vehicles and assaulter (which is supported by the rules), which would be what Wazdakka is in this case. The only bit that's off is the part were he catches on fire (which you forgot to mention!) while going though it, but that wouldn't be due to Wazdakka.
2. Using Relic's Space Marine as an example, the head of a warlord titan is big enough that an infantry sized thing could land on top of it. A Big Mek like Wazdakka isn't that much bigger than a space marine captain, and could probably land on the cockpit without much trouble.
3. Princeps are known for fusing with a titan's machine spirit, making it possible to use the great war machine move across the battlefield with grace and skill. They're not know for being tough, strong, or skilled in hand-to-hand outside of their machine. They'd likely be too distracted/hooked into the machine to expect Wazdakka smashing through the roof, and by then the ork would do what they're known for: being tough, strong, and skilled in hand-to-hand combat.

Is it silly? A bit, yes, but not much more than anything else in Codex Ork, and certainly no where near the crap Space Marines get into.

Maugan Ra.

He makes Draigo look like a pansy! He solos an entire Hive Tendril. He stood perfectly still as a Trygon ate him and held up his scythe, he split the bloody bug in two! He was swaggering around in the Warp before Draigo made it cool, except while Draigo can't get out often, Ra can come and go as he pleases and take souvenirs. Most notably...an entire Craftworld. Not to mention he is in cahoots with Eldrad, one of the biggest Trolls in the known universe.

Don't worry, at least Draigo has the Daemonettes to cheer him up.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Wazdakka's fluff would have people screaming bloody murder if he were a Chapter Master. You don't just jump through the Void Shields of a Warlord titan on a ramshackle bike and kill the Princeps in hand-to-hand combat. It's beyond even Orkish levels of silly. Draigo's not got anything on Wazdakka.

Wazdakka cant run around the warp crapping and slaying on everything in his way! Killing Khornes best Bloodthirsters with his BARE HANDS then taking the axe from said Bloodthirster and making a sword from it is slowed.

Yeah primarchs are pretty epic but still they are mostly all gone!

Also as a ork player I understand how vehicles work for orks and if Wazdakka was totally convinced that his bike would pierce the shield of the titan then by ork technology and willpower the bike would go through it. And the Princeps are not space marines they are drivers for titans the most they have are las pistols.

Also Wazdakka is a fun HQ but no where near as powerful as Draigo...


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 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Maugan Ra.

He makes Draigo look like a pansy! He solos an entire Hive Tendril. He stood perfectly still as a Trygon ate him and held up his scythe, he split the bloody bug in two! He was swaggering around in the Warp before Draigo made it cool, except while Draigo can't get out often, Ra can come and go as he pleases and take souvenirs. Most notably...an entire Craftworld. Not to mention he is in cahoots with Eldrad, one of the biggest Trolls in the known universe.

Don't worry, at least Draigo has the Daemonettes to cheer him up.

What the !!

This guy is pretty absurd goes fartin around the eye and comes back!! Then goes back in to get his craftworld too! Just reading his lexicanum page he is pretty OP! So i may have to lean on this guy as the new King of OP...

Lore wise!

I have never fought him whats he like on table top? I get he is a dark reaper so i guess long range annoyance?

 Luke_Prowler wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Wazdakka's fluff would have people screaming bloody murder if he were a Chapter Master. You don't just jump through the Void Shields of a Warlord titan on a ramshackle bike and kill the Princeps in hand-to-hand combat. It's beyond even Orkish levels of silly. Draigo's not got anything on Wazdakka.

This is an often used example by some people, but it really doesn't work. Let's break it down

1. You can, in fact, just jump through a Void Shield. Because they're not a hard light barrier like force fields in other Sci-Fi series. They work using a poorly defined warp technology, that distorts incoming high speed projectiles. But it also lets in vehicles and assaulter (which is supported by the rules), which would be what Wazdakka is in this case. The only bit that's off is the part were he catches on fire (which you forgot to mention!) while going though it, but that wouldn't be due to Wazdakka.
2. Using Relic's Space Marine as an example, the head of a warlord titan is big enough that an infantry sized thing could land on top of it. A Big Mek like Wazdakka isn't that much bigger than a space marine captain, and could probably land on the cockpit without much trouble.
3. Princeps are known for fusing with a titan's machine spirit, making it possible to use the great war machine move across the battlefield with grace and skill. They're not know for being tough, strong, or skilled in hand-to-hand outside of their machine. They'd likely be too distracted/hooked into the machine to expect Wazdakka smashing through the roof, and by then the ork would do what they're known for: being tough, strong, and skilled in hand-to-hand combat.

Is it silly? A bit, yes, but not much more than anything else in Codex Ork, and certainly no where near the crap Space Marines get into.

He drives his bike, while on fire from the shields (thanks for the reminded) THROUGH THE WINDOWS. As in, the armoured cockpit that is supposed to be able to withstand anti-tank fire. He then kills the Princeps AND the Crew, who are guarded by Skitarii. You could probably fly a Dakkajet into the cockpit of a Warlord Titan and have it remain intact; having an Ork bike go through it while the rider not only survives but kills the entire crew is beyond silly.

 zombiekila707 wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Wazdakka's fluff would have people screaming bloody murder if he were a Chapter Master. You don't just jump through the Void Shields of a Warlord titan on a ramshackle bike and kill the Princeps in hand-to-hand combat. It's beyond even Orkish levels of silly. Draigo's not got anything on Wazdakka.

Wazdakka cant run around the warp crapping and slaying on everything in his way! Killing Khornes best Bloodthirsters with his BARE HANDS then taking the axe from said Bloodthirster and making a sword from it is slowed.

Anti-Daemon psyker in the Warp. Hardly "bare-handed".

I stand by AlmightyWalrus, personally.

And if a void shield can stop a vanquisher cannon shell it can stop a bike, at least if we set asside that stupid bit of fluff about Ork tech.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
He drives his bike, while on fire from the shields (thanks for the reminded) THROUGH THE WINDOWS. As in, the armoured cockpit that is supposed to be able to withstand anti-tank fire. He then kills the Princeps AND the Crew, who are guarded by Skitarii. You could probably fly a Dakkajet into the cockpit of a Warlord Titan and have it remain intact; having an Ork bike go through it while the rider not only survives but kills the entire crew is beyond silly.

Clearly he rolled a 6 for armor penetration

While the cockpit is heavily armored enough to withstand anti-tank fire, that does not make it immune, and the armored glass would still be the weakest part of it. I certainly wouldn't expect it to be tougher than, say, the armored hull of a rhino. Obviously, it's debatable on the strength of a large ork and his bike flying through the air, but it's still a lot of weight going through that window. Actually surviving the crash wouldn't be too big of a deal as the bike would likely take the blunt of it and orks are notoriously tough

Killing on the crew, on the other hand, is actually the easy part. Judging by the amount of burning skulls in Wazdakka's picture, there were three Princeps, who as I said before would be of minimal use in combat with an ork while still wired to their titan, a questionable amount of tech-priests and servitors (who would also be mostly useless), and the amount Skitarii in the cockpit would have likely been minimal, probably five, and while they are better than your bog standard guardsman they are still human and would probably be only armed with hellguns (which is a weapon designed for armor penetration, not stopping power) and killing five humans would not be a stretch for a big mek.

Again, I agreed it is a bit silly, but it's closer to action movie silly and not the same level as the crap we've come to expect from the space marines. Is Wazdakka smashing through a window and killing a bunch of humans really less believable than Marneus Calgar holding off an entire horde of ork by himself for an entire day?

@Bob: Again, the void shield is triggered by the speed of the projectile, and even a bike flying through the air is nothing compared to something fired from an actual gun or cannon.

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
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Again, I agreed it is a bit silly, but it's closer to action movie silly and not the same level as the crap we've come to expect from the space marines. Is Wazdakka smashing through a window and killing a bunch of humans really less believable than Marneus Calgar holding off an entire horde of ork by himself for an entire day?

Yes, I'd argue it is. Calgar had a choke point, so it's more of "Calgar kills an Ork, and then one, and then one, and then one..." and so on, whereas Wazdakka flew through the armour of something that's known to have survived nuclear weapons.

Put it this way, if Wazdakka rammed into a Rhino, accounting only for the momentum of his bike, would you expect him to fly STRAIGHT THROUGH it, or would you expect him to make a major dent in it and then bounce off himself?

Draigo, his lore is horrendously hilarious, if not enough to bring on a seizure out of sheer stupidity.

Personally, never been a fan favorite of the Imperium of man seeing their pompous fluff and "Self superiority" complex over the other races of 40k just makes me want to see them die off already. (It's inevitable) But Draigo is literally the embodiment of poor lore Writing within the universe of 40k.

Take it with the biggest island of salt you could imagine, but I highly doubt some random GK who just recently proved himself capable of carrying the torch as Supreme Grand Master of a chapter house would have ever been capable of "Carving his name" into Mortarians Heart. Not only does the fluff not support this, but the lore writers literally shoved this down our throats like a mother trying to feed her child vegetables. It's just nonsense. I look at all these new characters being introduced into the fluff and see them apparently being able to 1 on 1 a Daemon Primarch and win... Yeah no, the Emperor had enough trouble, is the Lore trying to insinuate that these random brother clones are magically getting stronger than the Emperor?

As I said, I just want to see the Terra and the Imperium of man disband to the stars and let them be a "Survivor" race of beings trying to hold out with Chapters "Seeding" other galaxies and solar systems.

 Mr.Omega wrote:
Overpowered? Necron Superlord with Mindshackle Scarabs. Half the time you don't even get to attack, and the other half you're still doing zilch because of T5 3++. Oh, and to make things even worse, he hits back at S7 AP1. He isn't that massive of an investment either, and every person under sun I've seen who plays Necrons runs a carbon copy of him.

This post struck me as rather funny. Not because I don't agree, but because over on the new Necron Codex discussion, there are about 10 pages trying to convince us how weak Necron Overlords are in combat and how useless MSS are.

Anrakyr the traveller. This walking op dude kills everything with a warscythe and can shoot once in the game with the tachyon arrow an AP1 strength 10 Distance infinite !! If he gets the chance to roll higher than 3 BOOM your precious model-s are gone for good and most of the times the game is already over. ( i hate this guy )

 GoliothOnline wrote:
Draigo, his lore is horrendously hilarious, if not enough to bring on a seizure out of sheer stupidity.

Personally, never been a fan favorite of the Imperium of man seeing their pompous fluff and "Self superiority" complex over the other races of 40k just makes me want to see them die off already. (It's inevitable) But Draigo is literally the embodiment of poor lore Writing within the universe of 40k.

Take it with the biggest island of salt you could imagine, but I highly doubt some random GK who just recently proved himself capable of carrying the torch as Supreme Grand Master of a chapter house would have ever been capable of "Carving his name" into Mortarians Heart. Not only does the fluff not support this.

He's a Grey Knight. His mere presence causes pain to Daemons. It's an incredibly silly piece of fluff, but it's hardly preposterous fluff-wise. Being a Daemon Primarch comes with the drawback of being vulnerable to anti-Daemon weapons.

The Emperor of Mankind. Say no more

Ephrael Stern.

This is a normal, unaugmented human who somehow travels halfway across the galaxy without any knowledge of how, is tortured by the Adepta Sororitas for a month, before immediately returning to active duty when she rips a daemonette out of its stolen skin with her bare hands while wearing nothing but a bathrobe.

A month later, she then not only survives having Slaanesh's True Name downloaded into her head, but she is capable of understanding it, and using it to gain absolute power over all things Slaaneshi and even some (non-psychic!) control over the warp itself - while still remaining a loyal and faithful servant of the Emperor.

She escapes from the Inquisition, gets kidnapped by Ahriman, dies destroying his ship, ressurects elsewhere, dies again, fights in the pits of Commoragh for three years and is about to become Asdrubael Vect's chosen and favourite Succubus (since she's so good and wears a helmet, so that everyone assumes she's a dark eldar). She then gets a wake-up slap from an Eldar Shadow-Spectre (before Shadow-Spectres really existed as a thing), reveals that she can open Webway Gates with her soul, and starts walking to the Black Library.

+1 to Ephrael Stern. I also have the mini, sadly no rules....