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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
1) Walking battlesuits being employed in terrain where one could just use tanks.

2) Giant monsters being better than armored tanks.

3) Tanks that can't move and fire any better than they could in World War I.

4) Tau

5) Tyranids.

Someone is a treadhead.

Not to sound like a male chauvinist pig... but the Cadian models are AWEFUL proportions, I'd much rather GW fix the proportions of the male models so they actually look human before worrying about adding female models.

If they just added a female torso to the Cadians it'd look silly because the arms, legs and heads are too thick even for a man let alone a woman.

Though maybe the female models would also be fethed up in proportions enough to look like regular human males

MWHistorian wrote:True, not quite aesthetic, but like others reminded me, I hate that there are so few female characters. The IG should be at least 1/3 female. (depending on planet I suppose.)
40k is too much a sausage fest even to the point of contradicting the fluff. There should also be more female Eldar and where are the female Tau?

Female Tau are only distinguishable against male Tau to humans by the Y-shaped incision on their face instead of the vertical slit, so... craft knife fixes that issue pretty neatly.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:Not to sound like a male chauvinist pig... but the Cadian models are AWEFUL proportions, I'd much rather GW fix the proportions of the male models so they actually look human before worrying about adding female models.

If they just added a female torso to the Cadians it'd look silly because the arms, legs and heads are too thick even for a man let alone a woman.

Though maybe the female models would also be fethed up in proportions enough to look like regular human males

I don't think it makes you a male chauvinist pig to make that comment, but I disagree. Fixing the models' proportions would mean they don't fit in with the rest of the older models in the army, whereas with the emphasis on the heads on GW models, female heads on equally disproportionate bodies would look just as good (or bad) as the male models.

Dark Eldar on flying surfboards.

Actually, most of Dark Eldar at all. That whole space bondage stuff is laughable.

Definitely agree about the lack of female guards. Its stupid and sexist and doesn't fit their own fluff.

Um....the Space Wolves have always been stupid but now they're really stupid.

plastic tables for playing on. yuk. what happened to a big bit of plywood painted green on one side and grey on the other?

1) Vespids, have never liked the look or idea of them.
2) Landspeeders, hate putting them together and they just frustrate me in feel.
3) Mephiston, definitely in need of an update.
4) Same goes for Ragnar.
5) Hive/Tyrant Guard. Look shocking to me.

Dislike things such as Dreadknight and Centurions etc but seeing as they have been mentioned so much thought would add some new ones.

 MWHistorian wrote:
True, not quite aesthetic, but like others reminded me, I hate that there are so few female characters. The IG should be at least 1/3 female. (depending on planet I suppose.)

Maybe they fill logistical support roles. I mean, the infantry in any given military is only a relatively small percentage. There's little reason to think that the Imperial Guard would be any different. Perhaps male consripts would go into the line Guard units, and the female ones into non-combatant roles or the Departmento Munitorum's various logistical branches. After all, planetary tithes of manpower aren't automatically all Imperial Guard. The Navy, DM, and even the AdMech requisition personnel from Imperial worlds.

I mean, there's no reason an IGuard regiment couldn't have female Guardsmen in it. And no reason not to offer more models for them. But it's also really not a "discrepancy" that there aren't more of them. Heck, if you want to contemplate some Grimdark, think about Cadia, lol. Its birth rate is synonymous with its recruitment rate. But the optimal time for human reproduction is also the optimal time for military service, and everyone is being recruited (into something, whether it be Navy/PDF/IG or DM). That means Cadia has military regulated and enforced breeding programs in order to maintain its population levels. For a closed ecological/sociological system like that to function, you'd have to imagine that younger women are tasked with having babies, and older women are then tasked with raising them (and apparently serving as auxiliary PDF too). Suddenly the lack of female line troopers starts to make sense. The real world can support its militaries because the ratio of soldiers to civilians is very low. When there are no civilians, that reproductive responsibility would fall on the soldiers.

Males have always been the disposable sex. One guy can make multiple women pregnant, but a bunch of dudes equals no babies without a female. It's one of the more widely believed causes for the evolutionary patterns that led to modern males being physically stronger and tougher than women, and there's very little reason to believe that pattern would change in a society like the Imperium where the vitae wombs of the DKoK are frowned upon (thus suggesting it adheres more or less to traditional reproductive habits).

Something uncomfortable to consider there, lol.

1. XV-9 hazard suits.
compared to the utilitarian military look of the other tau models, they added a bunch of unnecessary bulges and fins that has since spilled over to FWs other new Tau offerings. At least GW didn't go that route, and ave us the much nicer looking XV-8-02 commander suit and the XV-104 Riptide styles.

2. Chinork warkopta.
FW taking the ork "built from junk" aesthetic way too far. The thing looks like it was literally made of junk, with no two blades looking remotely alike, no interior, just a flat plate with some wings and fins holding up the rotors. And the stupid looking bike chain between the front and rear rotor.

3. current Greater Daemons (minus Tzeentch)
The Bloodthirster, Keeper of Secrets, and GUO may have been fine for their time, but they are rather hideous and oddly sad looking models. The Lord of Change and Fateweaver models look decent still, if they could be a bit larger, but the other three are jokes compared to more modern models- FWs exalted daemons, GWs own plastic balrog, and ultraforge/creature casters offerings. GW needs to put them out of their misery with new plastic GDs with parts for the named versions included.

4. Haruspex
The Exocrine looks great. The alternate build, not so much. The one on the website looks like someone just shot it and it's head exploded.

5. Grimnar's sleigh
It's not a bad kit, and Grimnar looks good. It's just that the sleigh and wolves pulling it look like they fit better with warmahordes than they do 40K. It has a more exaggerated, cartoonish looking feel that fits with many of the PP models I have seen.

You can probably source some guardswomen from an indie studio some place? I've seen a few good ones (without boob armour plating)


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 Azza007 wrote:
1) Vespids, have never liked the look or idea of them.
2) Landspeeders, hate putting them together and they just frustrate me in feel.
3) Mephiston, definitely in need of an update.
4) Same goes for Ragnar.
5) Hive/Tyrant Guard. Look shocking to me.

Dislike things such as Dreadknight and Centurions etc but seeing as they have been mentioned so much thought would add some new ones.

If you don't like Mephiston's model you could always source his Calistarius model from Space Hulk

angelofvengeance wrote:You can probably source some guardswomen from an indie studio some place? I've seen a few good ones (without boob armour plating)

Back when Necromunda was still around, GW recommended buying Escher minis. The 3E IG Codex had the all-female Xenonian Free Companies as a sample regiment, and they used the Escher design for their looks.
There also used to be a female Catachan back in the good ole' days of cheap metal, but for some reason she didn't make the change into plastics.



As for the female Catachan Guardswomen that Codex fluff says are part of the shock troops, there used to be one or two neat conversion kits around, but I think they got into legal trouble with GW.

Aspects

1. Flyers
2. Randomness
3. How they handled the Necron's new fluff
4. Not being able to create your own characters
5. Forced into having a pistol and chainsword (IG)

Aesthetics

1. Most of the new models from 6th on words
2. Tau Crisis suits and kin
3. Dark Eldar sail barges
4. The size of the Leman Russ
5. Too much detail on models

1. Witch Hunters/Inquisition - They look silly and terrible.
2. Flyers - They look silly, specifically the SM ones.
3. Squats - Sure, they don't exist anymore but they were horrible looking. Good on GW to put them out of their misery.
4. Eldar Gardians/Dire Avengers - Hate their helmets.
5. Leaders without a helmet - Put your damn helmet on, your in combat! I don't care how important you think you are.

 Davespil wrote:
1. Witch Hunters/Inquisition - They look silly and terrible.
2. Flyers - They look silly, specifically the SM ones.
3. Squats - Sure, they don't exist anymore but they were horrible looking. Good on GW to put them out of their misery.
4. Eldar Gardians/Dire Avengers - Hate their helmets.
5. Leaders without a helmet - Put your damn helmet on, your in combat! I don't care how important you think you are.

#5, definitely. I always modeled my leaders with helmets. That's where all your tactical data comes in, why on Earth wouldn't you have your danged helmet on?

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Davespil wrote:
1. Witch Hunters/Inquisition - They look silly and terrible.
2. Flyers - They look silly, specifically the SM ones.
3. Squats - Sure, they don't exist anymore but they were horrible looking. Good on GW to put them out of their misery.
4. Eldar Gardians/Dire Avengers - Hate their helmets.
5. Leaders without a helmet - Put your damn helmet on, your in combat! I don't care how important you think you are.

#5, definitely. I always modeled my leaders with helmets. That's where all your tactical data comes in, why on Earth wouldn't you have your danged helmet on?

If it gets damaged.

Hmm. To be honest, I don't find anything all that offensive. Generally, I think that each army's models do a good job of playing to their army's respective aethetics.

Though I will also say lack of female representation if we're counting that as an "aesthetic" issue. Also, the Space Wolves can get a bit silly with the whole viking/wolf aesthetic, at times. The hover-sled being pulled by two wolves is probably the epitome of this.

5. Sisters need a re-work, badly
4. I prefer a more streamlined cybernetics look, in fluff pics, cybernetics, even good ones, look very very rough.
3 Tyranids, I feel like they ought to be a melee focused army, and should look more the part.
2. Imperial Flyers, other than the Vendetta and Valk, they are in no way aerodynamic, and shouldn't even be able to fly.
1. Tau, their streamlined look feels, and looks, out of place in this grimy, dark setting, esp with the japanese aesthetic their armor brings to the table.

 iGuy91 wrote:

4. I prefer a more streamlined cybernetics look, in fluff pics, cybernetics, even good ones, look very very rough.

Isn't that the theme though? Imperial Tech is meant to look rough and industrialized.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Isn't that the theme though? Imperial Tech is meant to look rough and industrialized.

But, if that's the case, shouldn't it extend beyond cybernetics?

 vipoid wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Isn't that the theme though? Imperial Tech is meant to look rough and industrialized.

But, if that's the case, shouldn't it extend beyond cybernetics?

It...does?
I mean, I wouldn't call a dreadnought nor a sentinel sophisticated. I mean, they have exhaust pipes jutting out of them.
The only other race that uses exhaust pipes are Orks.

Don't get me wrong, I like the Imperial Aesthetic. It has a nice baroque-gothic-industrial thing going for it. It's certainly ugly, but it's an cool sort of ugly

1.) Unhelmeted heads-never really made sense to me. So we have guys with super armor, running around with their head exposed (I get it for variety but still). The fact that you can mount an unhelmented guy on the dreadknight seems super dumb to me.

2.)The Dreadknight- dumb design with the guy riding on the front. The centurion design is a little better, and a combination of the two would be better overall.

3.)Bad Naming conventions - Blood Angels getting Blood Everything, Space Wolves getting Wolf or Frost everything etc. I mean can we get some creativity please.

4.)Poor Scale- 10 marines are supposed to fit in a Rhino? Really seems a bit tight to me, same with the drop pod, basically all vehicles seem way out of scale.

5.)Lack of female miniatures in general- I get the no female space marine thing kind of due to fluff, but IG, Eldar, Tau...all could use female sculpts of models.

 Davespil wrote:
2. Flyers - They look silly, specifically the SM ones.

Not all of them, the Vendetta actually looks like it could stay in the air. (It also isn't designed to be a METAL BAWKS like the rest of the Imperial flyers).


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Breng77 wrote:
4.)Poor Scale- 10 marines are supposed to fit in a Rhino? Really seems a bit tight to me, same with the drop pod, basically all vehicles seem way out of scale.

I remember seeing a Rhino IRL for the first time. I must say, I was extremely disappointed to see that cute little tank that could maybe hold two Marines if they were really close to each other

Skulls. All the damn skulls. Theres so many on IoM stuff it makes them look like FB Undead armys.

Breng77 wrote:
4.)Poor Scale- 10 marines are supposed to fit in a Rhino? Really seems a bit tight to me, same with the drop pod, basically all vehicles seem way out of scale.

They have to it nut to butt style!

Would probably be one of the most claustrophobic things I could imagine.

1. Mutilators
2. Dinofiends
3. Helchicken
4. Helbrutes
5. New Raptors

Not really a fan of the newer chaos models - GW managed to completely kill my enthusiasm for chaos marines with awful models and a bland codex [again] :(

This is my new favorite horse to beat


It's just so silly!
It pretty much encapsulates everything wrong about the Space Wolves aesthetic.

Strange, I absolutely love that model, best thing GW have done in ages and one of the few things I would consider buying just because; but so much hate for it...

Then buy it.
I find it absolutely silly, even by SW standards, but I do admit it is kind of endearing. Like a puppy that still hasn't quite gotten the hang of walking yet.

It's because it's stupid.

It has jets... and yet is pulled by sled-dogs? Also, it floats, so it's an anti-grav vehicle.

One or the other, Logan. Either have dogs pull your sleigh, or fly it like the anti-grav vehicle it is. You could even free one hand for shooting.

 Psienesis wrote:
It's because it's stupid.

It has jets... and yet is pulled by sled-dogs? Also, it floats, so it's an anti-grav vehicle.

One or the other, Logan. Either have dogs pull your sleigh, or fly it like the anti-grav vehicle it is. You could even free one hand for shooting.

I think the problem is that's not silly enough.
The dogs should be under the sled, and they should have jetpacks and goggles.
Logan should have an electric guitar and be throwing up the horns, with lightning bolts around him. Because lightning is a viking thing, right?

You'd think the best model company in the world would know how to go all out silly and stupidly awesome.
Instead we get half-silly and stupid.

On a more serious note, does anyone else think that the sled just looks too small? I mean, shouldn't it be bigger? Logan absolutely dwarfs it, making it look even more awkward.

Thunder Wolf Cavalry.
Stormwolves.
Stormrider (notice a trend?)
Centurions.
Catachans.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

It...does?
I mean, I wouldn't call a dreadnought nor a sentinel sophisticated. I mean, they have exhaust pipes jutting out of them.
The only other race that uses exhaust pipes are Orks.

Don't get me wrong, I like the Imperial Aesthetic. It has a nice baroque-gothic-industrial thing going for it. It's certainly ugly, but it's an cool sort of ugly

But, in that case, isn't SM armour a bit too... smooth? If you see what I mean.

It just seems an odd contrast when we have unsophisticated-looking dreadnoughts, and cybernetics that are almost Orky... yet SM armour is perfectly rounded and smooth.