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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 11:36:37
Subject: Anti Forge World Climate?
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tyrannosaurus wrote:I'm glad that there's so many pro-Forgeworld posters on this thread who believe that using FW models should not require any special agreement. I have to ask though, where were you all in the Lord of War threads? If 30k is okay, my titan is ok.
yes! Reaver Titan even. dont care. if you buy the thing and paint it PLEASE bring it anytime. We play 3k games standard though so its a lot more accessible.
Anyone who "refuses" games per se against someone who has taken that much effort to make an army is a bad person. (now if you are using cheap stand in models to emulate so OP netlist that is a different story)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 12:13:04
Subject: Anti Forge World Climate?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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tenebre wrote: tyrannosaurus wrote:I'm glad that there's so many pro-Forgeworld posters on this thread who believe that using FW models should not require any special agreement. I have to ask though, where were you all in the Lord of War threads? If 30k is okay, my titan is ok.
yes! Reaver Titan even. dont care. if you buy the thing and paint it PLEASE bring it anytime. We play 3k games standard though so its a lot more accessible.
Anyone who "refuses" games per se against someone who has taken that much effort to make an army is a bad person. (now if you are using cheap stand in models to emulate so OP netlist that is a different story)
Anyone who says anyone else is a bad person for holding different beliefs, is a bad person. (omg, I'm a bad person ?)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 12:26:42
Subject: Re:Anti Forge World Climate?
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Mecha_buddha wrote:Just curious, how many folks that are pro-forgeworld in this thread have imperial armies or only imperial armies?
I'm pro- FW, and I only play tau.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 12:53:47
Subject: Anti Forge World Climate?
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Cosmic Joe
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Ashiraya wrote:morgoth wrote: Ashiraya wrote: tyrannosaurus wrote:
Great, so you're happy for me to bring my Forge World Titan without any special agreement? I remember you seemed pretty opposed to Lords of War in the past.
FW =/= LoW
I can't really see how one could accept FW and not LoW on the same basis.
Some people don't like LoW.
Is T-Rex unable to understand that super heavies are still super heavies regardless of who makes them? FW stuff, yes. Super heavies, no.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 12:54:25
Subject: Re:Anti Forge World Climate?
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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Mecha_buddha wrote:Just curious, how many folks that are pro-forgeworld in this thread have imperial armies or only imperial armies?
I've played pure-C: SM for 3 years now, and only now getting a Fellblade. Its mainly for our narrative campaign where there will be an apocolypse game or two, so i'd want to be prepared.
Im totally fine if someone wanted to play with their own FW models against me, heck, i'd even play against Thudd guns just for the heck of it. Even if its a LoW, If you wanted to have fun by bringing that, I can respect that fact, having coughed up huge amounts of money and time to bring that beast to the table. Plus it allows me to play against new things i've never played before. Automatically Appended Next Post: MWHistorian wrote: Ashiraya wrote:morgoth wrote: Ashiraya wrote: tyrannosaurus wrote:
Great, so you're happy for me to bring my Forge World Titan without any special agreement? I remember you seemed pretty opposed to Lords of War in the past.
FW =/= LoW
I can't really see how one could accept FW and not LoW on the same basis.
Some people don't like LoW.
Is T-Rex unable to understand that super heavies are still super heavies regardless of who makes them? FW stuff, yes. Super heavies, no.
And FW has plenty of non-super heavy units that can be used (like the rapier destroyers and decimator engines). It shouldn't be a blanket ban, FW has plenty of good stuff that isn't "OMG OP please nerf!" One could look to the codices to see OP stuff more often then FW. We all should know about the O'Vesa star, Screamerstar, Seerstar, and Beastpack by now and know how incredible those units were.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 13:04:19
Subject: Anti Forge World Climate?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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MWHistorian wrote:
Is T-Rex unable to understand that super heavies are still super heavies regardless of who makes them? FW stuff, yes. Super heavies, no.
If FW is fine, then unbound, dataslates, formations, dual CAD, triple allies, super heavies and everything else is fine too.
Now, of course you can agree with someone on specific limitations, but it's still pure house rule without any logical backing to it.
The only "standard" there is outside of what the BRB says is tournaments, and even that should be agreed on.
I tend to consider it as default though, because most people believe in limitations - so I take the standard limitations and expect other players to know them. (1CAD + 1allied)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 13:29:24
Subject: Anti Forge World Climate?
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Cosmic Joe
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morgoth wrote: MWHistorian wrote:
Is T-Rex unable to understand that super heavies are still super heavies regardless of who makes them? FW stuff, yes. Super heavies, no.
If FW is fine, then unbound, dataslates, formations, dual CAD, triple allies, super heavies and everything else is fine too.
Now, of course you can agree with someone on specific limitations, but it's still pure house rule without any logical backing to it.
The only "standard" there is outside of what the BRB says is tournaments, and even that should be agreed on.
I tend to consider it as default though, because most people believe in limitations - so I take the standard limitations and expect other players to know them. (1CAD + 1allied)
I don't get your logic. One thing is fine, so everything is fine? No.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 13:33:41
Subject: Anti Forge World Climate?
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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Makumba wrote: ClockworkZion wrote: Vash108 wrote:I still can't understand why people want to separate FW and GW. It even says Games Workshop on the resin FW sprues.
Because accepting FW means accepting that the game they know has changed. And change is scary for some people, so it's easier to shut it out and not adapt to new things.
I don't know how the game is played in the US, but here people play at stores or at tournaments , who are sponsored by stores. No shop is going to support a brand of models it doesn't sell and which lowers the chance that someone will buy stuff from the store. It is economy not being scared.
Players don't like it because there is little ways to check yourself, if the person using FW rules is actualy using them correctly, because there are so many reprints of their books , experimental rules etc and having them in pdf form makes it even easier to manipulate. FW also makes such gems like the thudd gun, 6th turbo laser armed anything and the game is already imbalanced enough without adding those units.
You must have missed the post where I talked about how pro- FW the shop I play in is, with the owner having quite a bit of it himself. And he runs Rogue Trader events, campaigns and Apoc games. Why is he pro- FW (beyond his own tastes)? Because even if he's not selling you that paticular model, he's going to sell you just about everything else and those supporting sales bring business. From paint, to codexes, to an army to go with whatever you're getting from FW it actually works with his business to support them, even if it costs him some direct sale money, because in the long run he makes more by allowing it in his store than he does if he banned it.
EDIT: And "the game is unbalanced so why let anything else in?" is poor logic. The game is unbalanced so stop taking it so seriously and have some fun! When 40k starts paying out a million dollars in national tournaments I will understand taking it seriously, but until then, it's a game with plastic Space Men, not WWIII. Automatically Appended Next Post: morgoth wrote: MWHistorian wrote:
Is T-Rex unable to understand that super heavies are still super heavies regardless of who makes them? FW stuff, yes. Super heavies, no.
If FW is fine, then unbound, dataslates, formations, dual CAD, triple allies, super heavies and everything else is fine too.
Yes, yes they are. I really can't stand the "need" people have to try and cap rules like they do. Hell if someone wants to run 30 CADs let them! They're handicapping themselves with the extra HQs and troops they need anyways. Are you playing in a tournament with a massive thousand dollar or more cash prize at stake? No? Then lighten up and run wild instead of trying to strip parts off the game!
On Saturday this past week I saw an unbound Riptide army (13 'Tides, about 6 of them FW ones) fighting an IG tank company. You want to know why the IG lost? Poor dice rolls more than anything. Their rolls to hit and wound weren't always the best, and neither were their scatters. But everyone had fun despite one of them losing. And it looked cool as hell too!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 14:14:57
Subject: Anti Forge World Climate?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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ClockworkZion wrote:
On Saturday this past week I saw an unbound Riptide army (13 'Tides, about 6 of them FW ones) fighting an IG tank company. You want to know why the IG lost? Poor dice rolls more than anything. Their rolls to hit and wound weren't always the best, and neither were their scatters. But everyone had fun despite one of them losing. And it looked cool as hell too!
Well, the IG tank company is basically unbound + bonuses, so it's not really a "fair" comparison. (3000 points with those very cool looking R'varna must have looked damn nice on the table)
I've got nothing against unbound tbh, with all the random stuff there is in the game, from formations to dataslates to ... unbound is probably the most reasonable answer.
I have something against players who want to authorize just the bit of FW they're comfortable with, yet want to pretend LoW or anything else is out of bounds.
If you're going to limit, the only logical limit is 1CAD + 1Allied ( ETC, Nova), if not, play everything.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 14:23:14
Subject: Anti Forge World Climate?
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot
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morgoth wrote:Wanna play anything else than core 40K ( BRB, codex, CAD(+allied x1)) ? just ask.
Find any place in the rulebook that defines any such thing as "core" 40k. You won't find it. What you're talking about is a player-created standard for some 3rd party tournament events, not anything defined by the rules in any way. Let's not forget most FW stuff is designed to work within the whole "single traditional FoC" paradigm in addition to the codex or in place of one.
morgoth wrote:
Apparently, lots of people agree on the same definition of "core 40K", even though they do not name it like that.
The bigger tournaments have been sticking to CAD+allied for a while now, I think it's fair to consider that "standard".
And you'll notice most also allow FW too (e.g. BAO)
morgoth wrote:
The only "standard" there is outside of what the BRB says is tournaments, and even that should be agreed on.
And there is no single worldwide tournament standard. What fly's at GW's Warhammer World tournament won't fly at the BAO which won't necessarily fly at the NOVA invitational.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 14:26:11
Subject: Anti Forge World Climate?
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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morgoth wrote: ClockworkZion wrote:
On Saturday this past week I saw an unbound Riptide army (13 'Tides, about 6 of them FW ones) fighting an IG tank company. You want to know why the IG lost? Poor dice rolls more than anything. Their rolls to hit and wound weren't always the best, and neither were their scatters. But everyone had fun despite one of them losing. And it looked cool as hell too!
Well, the IG tank company is basically unbound + bonuses, so it's not really a "fair" comparison. (3000 points with those very cool looking R'varna must have looked damn nice on the table)
I've got nothing against unbound tbh, with all the random stuff there is in the game, from formations to dataslates to ... unbound is probably the most reasonable answer.
I have something against players who want to authorize just the bit of FW they're comfortable with, yet want to pretend LoW or anything else is out of bounds.
If you're going to limit, the only logical limit is 1CAD + 1Allied ( ETC, Nova), if not, play everything.
I don't know how it wasn't a fair example to bring up, we had one unbound army and one CAD army and the thing that was the biggest reason the CAD army lost was dice rolls. And it still looked cool, and everyone had a good time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 14:31:11
Subject: Anti Forge World Climate?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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ClockworkZion wrote:
I don't know how it wasn't a fair example to bring up, we had one unbound army and one CAD army and the thing that was the biggest reason the CAD army lost was dice rolls. And it still looked cool, and everyone had a good time.
It's not fair because the Tank Company is an unbound army by nature, it's even better than what you would get as unbound armored force in most codexes because it has bonus's on top of being full of tanks that don't suck.
If you want a meaningful comparison, try a real single CAD army against that TideSwarm. At 3000 points it's bound to just plain suck, as the CAD was originally designed for much smaller armies as a light restriction preventing "All Elites" or "All Heavy Support" armies.
I'm all for it tbh, I just think your example doesn't say "unbound is fair vs CAD". It just says "unbound is fair vs imperial-unbound-cheese-that-was-allowed-before-unbound".
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Vaktathi wrote:
The only "standard" there is outside of what the BRB says is tournaments, and even that should be agreed on.
And there is no single worldwide tournament standard. What fly's at GW's Warhammer World tournament won't fly at the BAO which won't necessarily fly at the NOVA invitational.
Agreed, but the vast majority of competitive tournaments follow ETC / Nova - it seems.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 14:40:04
Subject: Anti Forge World Climate?
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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morgoth wrote: ClockworkZion wrote:
I don't know how it wasn't a fair example to bring up, we had one unbound army and one CAD army and the thing that was the biggest reason the CAD army lost was dice rolls. And it still looked cool, and everyone had a good time.
It's not fair because the Tank Company is an unbound army by nature, it's even better than what you would get as unbound armored force in most codexes because it has bonus's on top of being full of tanks that don't suck.
If you want a meaningful comparison, try a real single CAD army against that TideSwarm. At 3000 points it's bound to just plain suck, as the CAD was originally designed for much smaller armies as a light restriction preventing "All Elites" or "All Heavy Support" armies.
I say "Tank Company" as it was a codex army will almost all tanks (he had a Heavy Weapons team too, but otherwise he'd filled the army with tanks). It wasn't the FW tank company. Sorry it wasn't clearer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 14:50:49
Subject: Anti Forge World Climate?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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ClockworkZion wrote:I say "Tank Company" as it was a codex army will almost all tanks (he had a Heavy Weapons team too, but otherwise he'd filled the army with tanks). It wasn't the FW tank company. Sorry it wasn't clearer.
That's still not a real CAD army, it's imperial cheese pretending to fit CAD when it's all tanks.
To me, it's just as unbound as the Riptide Swarm.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 15:09:08
Subject: Anti Forge World Climate?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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HQ: 1-2 Tank Commander
Troops 2-6 Vet squads in Chimera.
Elites: 0-3 Ogryn squads in Chimera
Fast Attack: 0-3 Hellhound Squadrons
Heavy Support: 0-3 Leman Russ squadrons
LoW: 0-1 Superheavy Tank
How is this not a real CAD army?
The army consists of 4-33 Tanks, and 0-1 Superheavy Tank.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 15:09:23
Subject: Anti Forge World Climate?
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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morgoth wrote: ClockworkZion wrote:I say "Tank Company" as it was a codex army will almost all tanks (he had a Heavy Weapons team too, but otherwise he'd filled the army with tanks). It wasn't the FW tank company. Sorry it wasn't clearer.
That's still not a real CAD army, it's imperial cheese pretending to fit CAD when it's all tanks.
To me, it's just as unbound as the Riptide Swarm.
Easy there Tonto. Just because you're not fond of the army doesn't make it cheese, nor does it make it actually unbound. It used a CAD, therefore was a CAD army, agree with it or not.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 15:28:33
Subject: Anti Forge World Climate?
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It's not like IG tank armies of any stripe are exactly stellar in this edition anyway, they're certainly not getting anywhere near top tournament tables.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 16:34:54
Subject: Anti Forge World Climate?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Still, pretending that a tank only CAD is representative of a CAD army is a bad joke.
Maybe cheese is a big word, but it's still the only army that got to do that for that long while when CAD was the only way to play.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 16:42:27
Subject: Anti Forge World Climate?
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot
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IG aren't the only army where this was possible, for years Eldar armies have often run what effectively are armored companies for maximum effectiveness, stuff like lots of wave serpents backed up by falcons/fire prisms/war walkers with some minimum sized Dire Avenger units to make the Serpents scoring, perhaps a unit if jetbikes or two for objective nabs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 16:42:54
Subject: Anti Forge World Climate?
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Um, you can't say "CAD loses to unbound" and then when presented with a CAD that does well vs unbound say "well that doesn't count as CAD because of some arbitrary rule that I get to decide."
To say that is to commit the fallacy of moving the goalposts, and is an untenable logical claim.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 17:24:28
Subject: Re:Anti Forge World Climate?
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Mecha_buddha wrote:Just curious, how many folks that are pro-forgeworld in this thread have imperial armies or only imperial armies?
Tau purist, not even kroot enter my cadres.
My forces are usually led by Ralai (he's thematically awesome, even if impractical.), get tetra marker support, and sometimes assisted by remora drones or sensor towers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 17:34:26
Subject: Anti Forge World Climate?
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Vaktathi wrote:IG aren't the only army where this was possible, for years Eldar armies have often run what effectively are armored companies for maximum effectiveness, stuff like lots of wave serpents backed up by falcons/fire prisms/war walkers with some minimum sized Dire Avenger units to make the Serpents scoring, perhaps a unit if jetbikes or two for objective nabs.
bs.
Until 13 months ago, that was clearly impractical ( I did field it) because the Wave Serpent couldn't do any damage and the DA weren't any better. At 180+ per tank that doesn't do much, it wasn't really competitive.
War Walkers don't compare to AV14, they go down to bolter fire.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 17:37:23
Subject: Anti Forge World Climate?
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morgoth wrote: Vaktathi wrote:IG aren't the only army where this was possible, for years Eldar armies have often run what effectively are armored companies for maximum effectiveness, stuff like lots of wave serpents backed up by falcons/fire prisms/war walkers with some minimum sized Dire Avenger units to make the Serpents scoring, perhaps a unit if jetbikes or two for objective nabs.
bs.
Until 13 months ago, that was clearly impractical ( I did field it) because the Wave Serpent couldn't do any damage and the DA weren't any better. At 180+ per tank that doesn't do much, it wasn't really competitive.
War Walkers don't compare to AV14, they go down to bolter fire.
Who cares about 13 months ago? We're playing 7th, and your claim that there is no CAD that can beat unbound is bogus NOW, and what happened before 13 months ago is irrelevant.
Don't latch onto his phrase "for years" because whether or not it is wrong, his larger point stands.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 18:37:49
Subject: Anti Forge World Climate?
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Hrm, not so much really.
Until 13 months ago, that was clearly impractical ( I did field it) because the Wave Serpent couldn't do any damage and the DA weren't any better.
It wasn't always impractical, I played such an Eldar army in 5th (where it worked for the first year or two fairly well). If you go back to 4th edition it was super practical, you saw it all the time because Skimmers were absurdly difficult to kill and had lots of firepower for the time. It was actually still pretty good even for the first year or so of 5E. It's been a pretty commonly capable army for several editions with a gap largely consisting of the second half of 5E only.
War Walkers don't compare to AV14, they go down to bolter fire.
In terms of raw durability against shooting attacks from the front/sides, sure. In terms of bringing huge amounts of firepower where it's needed, not necessarily. That said, holofield skimmers like Fire Prisms certainly do compare with AV14 tanks.
Either way, it's 100% practical now for Eldar to run an Armored Company style army within a traditional FoC with minimal infantry just as it is for IG.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 19:08:28
Subject: Anti Forge World Climate?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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MWHistorian wrote:
Is T-Rex unable to understand that super heavies are still super heavies regardless of who makes them? FW stuff, yes. Super heavies, no.
But my Titan is made by Forge World. So, you would allow 30k Forge World, which uses a supplement not intended for playing against 40k armies [and also allows the use of superheavies], but you would not allow my 40k Forge World Titan, which is part of the CAD in the main 40k rulebook? You'll need to explain that one a little more as, you're right, I don't understand.
Also, what about primarchs? Would you allow them?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 19:11:05
Subject: Anti Forge World Climate?
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
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tyrannosaurus wrote: MWHistorian wrote:
Is T-Rex unable to understand that super heavies are still super heavies regardless of who makes them? FW stuff, yes. Super heavies, no.
But my Titan is made by Forge World. So, you would allow 30k Forge World, which uses a supplement not intended for playing against 40k armies [and also allows the use of superheavies], but you would not allow my 40k Forge World Titan, which is part of the CAD in the main 40k rulebook? You'll need to explain that one a little more as, you're right, I don't understand.
Also, what about primarchs? Would you allow them?
What do want to face less, an army with FW in it, or a reaver?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 19:12:26
Subject: Anti Forge World Climate?
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Cosmic Joe
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tyrannosaurus wrote: MWHistorian wrote:
Is T-Rex unable to understand that super heavies are still super heavies regardless of who makes them? FW stuff, yes. Super heavies, no.
But my Titan is made by Forge World. So, you would allow 30k Forge World, which uses a supplement not intended for playing against 40k armies [and also allows the use of superheavies], but you would not allow my 40k Forge World Titan, which is part of the CAD in the main 40k rulebook? You'll need to explain that one a little more as, you're right, I don't understand.
Also, what about primarchs? Would you allow them?
I view 30k as a separate game though I would try it out at least once. But generally, no, I wouldn't play against 30k.
A FW titan is still a super heavy, so no, I wouldn't play against it.
Primarchs? 30k. So no. If I was playing 30k, then yes.
Stuff intended for 40k? Yes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 19:27:29
Subject: Re:Anti Forge World Climate?
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Why is it difficult to understand that people can be fine playing against non superheavy FW stuff, and not want to play to against any type of superheavy?
Seems like a perfectly reasonable, logical position to hold.
Enjoying FW products and army lists and non superheavy units doesn't mean you automatically have to like everything superheavy. There is a very distinct different between playing an Eldar opponent with Hornets, and one using a Revenant.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 19:41:39
Subject: Re:Anti Forge World Climate?
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I play 30k, both Imperial Fists and Adeptus Mechanicus and all of the guys I game with don't have a problem with me running them.
30k in my opinion in my opinion is pure Warhammer, the legions are just different enough for flavor, but you don't see the disparity between Riptides and Ork nobz. For the Xenos lover, 30k wouldn't work, but for marine on marine action it doesn't get any better than 30k.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 19:43:22
Subject: Re:Anti Forge World Climate?
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valace2 wrote:I play 30k, both Imperial Fists and Adeptus Mechanicus and all of the guys I game with don't have a problem with me running them.
30k in my opinion in my opinion is pure Warhammer, the legions are just different enough for flavor, but you don't see the disparity between Riptides and Ork nobz. For the Xenos lover, 30k wouldn't work, but for marine on marine action it doesn't get any better than 30k.
Actually you'll soon be seeing IK and Imperial Army..Armies in the next book, with more Mechanicus and Dark Mechanicus.
And with specific conditions Word Bearers can take Daemons.
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