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While I agree that resin will produce finer detail, I would say some of the older tau forgeworld kits lack fine detail for it to be a major concern.

I would love Tetras in plastic or the arm/head swap represented by all the forgeworld XV8 variants.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I find it easier to remove the lines off plastic.

Exact opposite, in my experience. Resin mold lines cut cleanly and you can just scrape them off with the back edge of a knife. Plastic mold lines tend to come off in annoying strings, or let the knife dig in to the plastic and leave a mark. Maybe non-GW kits are better about this, but GW's plastic kits are incredibly frustrating to clean up.

Plastic can potentially have more gaps to fill depending on the model, true, but resin parts frequently don't fit perfectly and take more work shaving to get a proper fit.

But at least it's usually in places that are easy to get to without ruining the detail. Since major sections can be cast as single parts you usually only have to worry about the very end of a piece, which makes it a lot easier to fix a gap. With plastic kits you have pieces that meet right in the middle of detail areas so you can't just sand them down, blob in some green stuff, etc. For example, the engine pods on the resin Valkyrie are single pieces that just sit on top of the main hull. If there's any shaving to do it's on the bottom of the engine, in an area that you'll never see. The plastic kit, on the other hand, has a cylinder made out of three separate pieces, with long seams running down the whole length of the engine. Getting that to look good is MUCH harder than making the resin engine parts fit.

So often you see resin models, even professionally done ones, with flaccid gun barrels.

Honestly, that's just lazy modeling. The only reason I can see for a professional leaving bent gun barrels is if they're working under a tight deadline and don't have time to worry about doing it right. All of my gun barrels are straight enough that you'd have to get out a ruler and carefully study them to find any bends, including the Hydra that is notorious for being the kit from hell and having bent guns in FW's catalog pictures.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
I'm not sure what the point would be... If something is already available from Forgeworld, I would rather see GW release something new.

Spoiler:

Eh... no thanks.

As ridiculous as it is, I actually like Grimnar's sleigh. Precisely because it is just too ridiculous for words.

It's only let down by the wolves (which is ultimately just a style choice) and the missed boat on not having him on a removable base.



And whatever else you may say about it, it's certainly unique

While I'd like to say the Titans (pretty much any/all of them), I'm going to go with a more realistic answer and say the Repressor tank, just because Sisters could use another option in their book, even if it's something that simple.

As for why it won't happen: Sisters anything? Yeah, and the moon is made of cheese.

I'd love to see the mks 2-5 power armor get released, that'd make some happy CSM players

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
I'm not sure what the point would be... If something is already available from Forgeworld, I would rather see GW release something new.

The point would be for it to be cheaper and less of a hassle to assemble.

I like the Thunderbolt, I'd love a squadron of them, not enough to spend £255 on it

FW resin has been way easier to clean and assemble in my experience.


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Fixing and deformed pieces have been simple with dipping tbe!m in a little hot water.

 Peregrine wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I find it easier to remove the lines off plastic.

Exact opposite, in my experience. Resin mold lines cut cleanly and you can just scrape them off with the back edge of a knife. Plastic mold lines tend to come off in annoying strings, or let the knife dig in to the plastic and leave a mark. Maybe non-GW kits are better about this, but GW's plastic kits are incredibly frustrating to clean up.

Each to their own, I recently cleaned and assembled a bunch of DKOK and some Aeronautica Imperialis Orks, Chaos and Eldar. I find plastic much easier to create a smooth finish without a lot of post work.

Though not all plastic is created equal, some softer plastics are a fething nightmare.

But at least it's usually in places that are easy to get to without ruining the detail. Since major sections can be cast as single parts you usually only have to worry about the very end of a piece, which makes it a lot easier to fix a gap. With plastic kits you have pieces that meet right in the middle of detail areas so you can't just sand them down, blob in some green stuff, etc. For example, the engine pods on the resin Valkyrie are single pieces that just sit on top of the main hull. If there's any shaving to do it's on the bottom of the engine, in an area that you'll never see. The plastic kit, on the other hand, has a cylinder made out of three separate pieces, with long seams running down the whole length of the engine. Getting that to look good is MUCH harder than making the resin engine parts fit.

Yeah true, sometimes plastic join lines can be in bad spots. The Valkyrie engines were particularly annoying. But, again, depends on the kit.

So often you see resin models, even professionally done ones, with flaccid gun barrels.

Honestly, that's just lazy modeling. The only reason I can see for a professional leaving bent gun barrels is if they're working under a tight deadline and don't have time to worry about doing it right. All of my gun barrels are straight enough that you'd have to get out a ruler and carefully study them to find any bends, including the Hydra that is notorious for being the kit from hell and having bent guns in FW's catalog pictures.

Maybe I'm just more sensitive to things that should be straight not being straight. I glanced at your gallery and noticed several gun barrels that have the tell tale signs of being resin, small kinks, droops, barrels not lining up with the gun body, what appears to be inconsistent gun barrel diameter (I'm guessing the last one is just because the moulds are soft and so struggle to produce a perfectly consistent barrel diameter).

Maybe it's just me, but when something SHOULD be straight it sticks out like a sore thumb when it's not and while I admit sometimes plastic barrels can also be bent, and they can be a real pain in the arse to fix, but usually I can get it straight. Resin however has this tell tale look that so often looks off to me, little kinks and inconsistencies that are just impossible to get out by hand.

When something should be straight it only needs to be off by a millimeter across it's length and it just looks off to me. Metal can also be a real pain in the arse, but with a bit of effort I can usually get metal to be as straight as my eye can see (of course as soon as I want to play a game and have to transport it that goes out the window ), resin so often I can't get it right. I swear I heated my DKOK Grenadier guns half a dozen times and there's still a couple I can't get straight and the bloody sergeant's chainsword I can't even get close to acceptable I just gave up and started painting it anyway

Plastic models have a machined precision, which matters to me on gun barrels and also vehicles that are supposed to have dead straight lines. I can't ALWAYS tell, but quite often I can tell at a glance that a vehicle is resin because it doesn't look square, the lines don't look straight, the gun barrels just look wonky, etc.


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 Vash108 wrote:

Fixing and deformed pieces have been simple with dipping tbe!m in a little hot water.

Yeah I disagree


EDIT: I'm not saying plastic is unequivocally better, just saying it's not unequivocally worse, for some things I prefer it and since it's a hell of a lot cheaper there's a lot of models I'd rather they be plastic.

 Vash108 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
I'm not sure what the point would be... If something is already available from Forgeworld, I would rather see GW release something new.

The point would be for it to be cheaper and less of a hassle to assemble.

I like the Thunderbolt, I'd love a squadron of them, not enough to spend £255 on it

FW resin has been way easier to clean and assemble in my experience.


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Fixing and deformed pieces have been simple with dipping tbe!m in a little hot water.

You have obviously never assembled a tetra.

 BoomWolf wrote:
You have obviously never assembled a tetra.

I have, and mine were all really easy. But I got them years ago, so maybe the quality has gone down since then or you just got a bad batch.

The molds themselves were flawless, and I've looked.

But the pieces, god help me. the drive's handels that fin nowhere in particular, and the entire mess that the backseat spotter thing is (the hands that fit to the body, and to get the helmet to properly aligen to it, and then to have the whole construction fit into the port above)

The number of parts compared to the model size is staggering x_x

Vaktathi wrote:
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Ultimately, this is the case, no matter what we may wish for. Games Workshop don't borrow Forge World designs any more, since the Valkyrie (the one and only time they did migrate something).
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Wave serpent was FW. Piranha was FW. The hydra! Nothing like the FW hydra but that was a FW unit. Then there are LRBT variants. the LR Vanquisher was a FW unit. (Actually I don't remember if that started rules wise with regular IG and jumped like the Griffon ) also the Executioner.

So, stuff I would run out and buy today.
Thunderbolt
Griffon
Arvus
Aquila lander
Thunderhawk
Fire raptor I think it is called.
Storm eagle.

Yes, I like flyers.
That should all translate to plastic relatively easy. Out of that list I think the Aquila lander is the wild card. I believe it didn't sell well which is why they dropped it.

Actually, Wave Serpents predate FW in the fluff and the rules, FW just made the first model.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Actually, Wave Serpents predate FW in the fluff and the rules, FW just made the first model.

Which still makes it a model that migrated from FW even if it started at GW. In fact didn't armor cast to an epic wave serpent? I can't remember who made that weird wedge figure.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:
*snip*

Ultimately, this is the case, no matter what we may wish for. Games Workshop don't borrow Forge World designs any more, since the Valkyrie (the one and only time they did migrate something).
.

Wave serpent was FW. Piranha was FW. The hydra! Nothing like the FW hydra but that was a FW unit. Then there are LRBT variants. the LR Vanquisher was a FW unit. (Actually I don't remember if that started rules wise with regular IG and jumped like the Griffon ) also the Executioner.

The Vanquisher actually was a GW unit first, it appeared in the 3E IG codex, and was then moved to FW only with the 3.5E IG codex when they cut it, the Exterminator, and the Griffon from the codex.

You know what I'd want in plastic from the FW line?

DKOK Lasguns.

I've enjoyed working with resin, but those are the most break-prone, irritating things I've dealt with. The bayonets are tiny separate pieces you have to glue onto the gun barrel, break with a stern look, and bend extremely easily. By extension, I'd say all resin models should have their weapons done in plastic; their the most fragile, exposed parts of most models, and plastic offers no disadvantages for what would be small, single-piece items. I'm tired of straightening DKOK swords and lasguns, and repainting parts where the bayonet broke off and I said "feth it." after the 8th time.

Oh man, yeah, those lasguns suck. Even worse are the Grenadier Hellgun cables. Those are...not fun.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Actually, Wave Serpents predate FW in the fluff and the rules, FW just made the first model.

Which still makes it a model that migrated from FW even if it started at GW. In fact didn't armor cast to an epic wave serpent? I can't remember who made that weird wedge figure.

Yeah, Armourcast did a 40K scale wave serpent based on the orginal Epic design.

I vaguely recall GW having a conversion article in White Dwarf for the new style wave serpent using a spoon for the turret. And then FW released their upgrade kit, which was eventually replaced by the GW kit.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
I'm not sure what the point would be... If something is already available from Forgeworld, I would rather see GW release something new.

Eh... no thanks.

ill be honest, thinking of doing this thing as a chariot with Chaos lord for WoC
and i dont care that it flies haha... silly model is great

The Tauros (preferably with a new option to use as a light transport). Would rather have had that then the Taurox.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Plastic thunderhawk, so C:SM, C:BA, C:SW and C:GK all have a superheavy they don't need to ally in for their ranges. It kind of surprises me that they decided to not release a super heavy for their biggest selling line(s). Oh, and I guess C:CSM could use it too...

Or a Plastic Warhound, so all of the Imperium Factions plus C:CSM could make use of it. You know, hit all of their most popular things at once.

Indeed. Or at the very least GW could make some other kind of Marine super heavy.

Their entire chaos dreadnaught line.
because I still like like "helbrutes," the name or the look.

What items would you guys like to see?

For me it would be both versions of the Tauros, with an option for Cadian and Catachan pilots. It would add a fast, nice-looking vehicle to the Imperial lineup.

Currently a single Venator goes for ~58€ incl. shipping if I'd order it from FW, same as 2 Chimeras from my local store...

Thunderhawk. 'nuff said really...

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
As the title says, if you could have one Forgeworld item be released as a standard GW item, what would you choose? Also, additional question, what do you think would make that not happen?

I will start off. I would like to see the Contemptor Pattern Dreadnought to see general release. I think they look cooler than the regular dreads and helbrutes. Also, they appear to have many more options for customization. There are a number of factors preventing their release(besides the obvious fact that if GW wanted to release them, they would have). First, they are bigger than the standard dread, and including all the different arm choices would be very expensive if not cost prohibitive. Secondly, they are vastly better than the standard dread, even at their points costs. People might stop buying the standard dread if the price (both in points and money) was right. Thirdly, they are supposed to be rare! It wouldn't make much sense for them to be all that common.

What items would you guys like to see?

Tantalus.

 MajorStoffer wrote:
By extension, I'd say all resin models should have their weapons done in plastic; their the most fragile, exposed parts of most models, and plastic offers no disadvantages for what would be small, single-piece items.

Strongly disagree with this. Resin allows you to get better fine detail, and I like the thin guns because they're scaled properly. Do them in plastic and you're back to Cadian-style guns where you have a vaguely gun-shaped blob of plastic that would look better on a 50mm scale model. Except it would be even worse since a lot of resin guns are attached to the arms, and making them a separate part would probably mean giving up a lot of the poses that are possible when it's a single piece.

 Peregrine wrote:

 MajorStoffer wrote:
By extension, I'd say all resin models should have their weapons done in plastic; their the most fragile, exposed parts of most models, and plastic offers no disadvantages for what would be small, single-piece items.

Strongly disagree with this. Resin allows you to get better fine detail, and I like the thin guns because they're scaled properly. Do them in plastic and you're back to Cadian-style guns where you have a vaguely gun-shaped blob of plastic that would look better on a 50mm scale model. Except it would be even worse since a lot of resin guns are attached to the arms, and making them a separate part would probably mean giving up a lot of the poses that are possible when it's a single piece.

The big Cadian guns have nothing to do with them being plastic and everything to do with GW having fethed up scaling. Other companies produce plastic rifles in 28mm and 1/72 that are way finer than Cadian plastic lasguns.

But I hadn't really thought of making separate plastic guns for resin models, it could work and would remove some of the gripes I have with resin models. Uou wouldn't have to give up poses like you suggest, you'd have to design the arms so the guns slip in to them nicely unlike the typical GW models where they just sort of plop on top of the hands, the resin arms would have to be sculpted so the clothes form a nice pocket where the plastic gun slips in.


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BRB wrote:

What items would you guys like to see?

For me it would be both versions of the Tauros, with an option for Cadian and Catachan pilots. It would add a fast, nice-looking vehicle to the Imperial lineup.

Currently a single Venator goes for ~58€ incl. shipping if I'd order it from FW, same as 2 Chimeras from my local store...

Oh I forgot about the Tauros, it's one of my favourite models. That'd be awesome as a plastic that could be slotted in to any IG army.

EDIT: Actually with separate plastic guns one thing you'd struggle with is sculpting the left hand. It really needs to be integral with the gun to be sculpted well.

The minis for Bolt Action have quite fine, and reasonably detailed plastic guns, and they're usually designed with the hands molded on to them, and have matching arms they fit in to. As for melee weapons, my Perry French Dragoons have fairly fine swords as well, not the GW blocks (and even the plastic sword in the new Tactical kit is actually half decent), all it required is at the design stage make sure things match up, and then use one mold to make multiple sets of guns for a given range.

Not the easiest route, no doubt, but the biggest weakness in resin models is the weapons for me.

Tomb Stalker.

 GoonBandito wrote:
Avenger Strike Fighter - I think it's an awesome looking model, but the price is a bit tough to swallow. Giving it a plastic kit at least and including it in the Guard and Sisters codices would have me insta-buying it.

Agreed! I would love to have a flyer for my Sisters that really fit the army. As of right now, any flyer that I ally with my Sisters feels kind of forced in just for the sake of having a flyer. I don't think it'll happen because Sisters right now have bare minimum GW support as it is.

 Big Mac wrote:
The Arvus lighter, aka space shuttle in the next generation!

I'm not sure where it would fit in gameplay-wise, maybe the equivalent of a flying rhino? I just want one anyway. It's so cute!

The Arvus Lighter doesn't really fit in to a fighting force because it's a non-combat transport/shuttle. It's not built to drop troops in to the middle of a battlefield like a Valkyrie, it's designed to shuttle cargo and troops between larger ships and down to non-combat areas on the ground.

If it's used in combat it's because they're lacking combat aircraft so use the Arvus as an assault boat, but since it's not armed it really can't do much.

If you were going to add it to 40k, it'd just be a super cheap flying transport.