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It's really too subjective to put a hard age limit on it. What I would say is that there's enough "dark" and vaguely adult stuff in it that no parent of a kid younger than 11 or so should let their kid play 40k without the parent at least being aware of what's in the fluff.

If the parent thinks the kid can handle it, than that's great. As a parent, I'm usually (though not always) far more concerned about parent's who don't care -or at least give serious thought to- what their kids are reading/watching/playing than I am concerned about exactly what they are reading/watching/playing. Most parents will make a good choice for their kids if they stop long enough to think about it.

It's the parents who don't take the time to know, and who let the kids make all those decisions that are the problem. It's called being an involved parent.

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40k is fine for kids (including the lore).

 Eilif wrote:
It's really too subjective to put a hard age limit on it. What I would say is that there's enough "dark" and vaguely adult stuff in it that no parent of a kid younger than 11 or so should let their kid play 40k without the parent at least being aware of what's in the fluff.


Would you also put an age limit on reading history, specifically referring to medieval, classical, and the world wars?

All of these topics have sections that are as dark, if not darker then the lore for 40k.

It's the parents who don't take the time to know, and who let the kids make all those decisions that are the problem. It's called being an involved parent.


I would disagree.

Why does a parent have to make decisions about what their kid can and can't like?
   
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12 years and up is appropriate for the material and hobby activities (painting/play-style/etc).

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Windchild wrote:
40k is fine for kids (including the lore).


First of all, please clarify what ages you mean by "Kids".

Windchild wrote:


 Eilif wrote:
It's really too subjective to put a hard age limit on it. What I would say is that there's enough "dark" and vaguely adult stuff in it that no parent of a kid younger than 11 or so should let their kid play 40k without the parent at least being aware of what's in the fluff.


Would you also put an age limit on reading history, specifically referring to medieval, classical, and the world wars?

All of these topics have sections that are as dark, if not darker then the lore for 40k.


Congratulations on completely missing the point.

The point is that a parent needs to be aware of what their child is into. The point isn't that a parent would ban the kid from reading history. It's that the parent would know that your ten year old kid is reading history and not porn. It's that the parent would know that their 8 year old is reading an overview of WW2 and not a detailed account of Nazi concentration camp experiments.

The point is not me telling someone else what is not appropriate for the kids and it's certainly not you saying what is appropriate. It's the parent's job to know their child, their child's maturity, sensitivities and strengths and to judge what is appropriate for their child.

Clearly there are some lines where society and the government, will step in, but up to that point, it's the parent's job.

Windchild wrote:


It's the parents who don't take the time to know, and who let the kids make all those decisions that are the problem. It's called being an involved parent.


I would disagree.

Why does a parent have to make decisions about what their kid can and can't like?


And you would be wrong.

It's not a matter of what a kid like's. Most parents recognize that most of a kids "likes" are thier own, but yes, there are some times that a parent is going to make decisions about what kids are allowed to like. Some kids (most kids at some point, in my experience) like taking things that belong to other kids. Some kids like hitting other kids. Some kids like hurting animals. Are you really going to try and tell me parents shouldn't exert their influence over what a kids likes?

It's a matter of what the kid is mature enough for. "G" is the rating for everyone, but there are some G-rated cartoons that I know my 3 1/2 year old is not emotionally ready for.

I'll be the judge of when he's ready for 40k, thank you very much.

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 Eilif wrote:

First of all, please clarify what ages you mean by "Kids".


8 to 12 is the age group I am talking about.

The point is that a parent needs to be aware of what their child is into. The point isn't that a parent would ban the kid from reading history. It's that the parent would know that your ten year old kid is reading history and not porn. It's that the parent would know that their 8 year old is reading an overview of WW2 and not a detailed account of Nazi concentration camp experiments.

The point is not me telling someone else what is not appropriate for the kids and it's certainly not you saying what is appropriate. It's the parent's job to know their child, their child's maturity, sensitivities and strengths and to judge what is appropriate for their child.

Clearly there are some lines where society and the government, will step in, but up to that point, it's the parent's job.


I agree. However, some history can easily be taken as 'porn'. Classical studies especially have large amounts of nudity.

It does depend on the kid.

And you would be wrong.

It's not a matter of what a kid like's. Most parents recognize that most of a kids "likes" are thier own, but yes, there are some times that a parent is going to make decisions about what kids are allowed to like. Some kids (most kids at some point, in my experience) like taking things that belong to other kids. Some kids like hitting other kids. Some kids like hurting animals. Are you really going to try and tell me parents shouldn't exert their influence over what a kids likes?

It's a matter of what the kid is mature enough for. "G" is the rating for everyone, but there are some G-rated cartoons that I know my 3 1/2 year old is not emotionally ready for.

I'll be the judge of when he's ready for 40k, thank you very much.


In your opinion, ofc.

You have that right as a parent. I just don't agree with forcing kids to stop doing something because you disagree with it (or keeping them away from it).
   
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My main concern would be that they are careful with knives, aren't huffing the paints/glues and are working in a well ventilated area.

Fluff wise I'd just want to make sure I know what they're reading.

I know one of the reasons my parents didn't like me collecting WHFB and 40k is because I'd play in the local GW store that was cramped and noisy with stale smelly air and all the people at the painting desks were hunched over with terrible posture, they'd rather me out and about breathing fresh air and standing up straight
   
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As a parent I can keep it at a kid age level of 6 and 7 to match the age of my kids, then it's just toy soldiers and bad guys. I think as the child ages and he/she likes the game still or is getting into it that you as the parent can keep it age appropriate. Just my opinion. However, if you have the little bookworm that eats up books then good luck keeping it age appropriate.

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Windchild wrote:

I just don't agree with forcing kids to stop doing something because you disagree with it (or keeping them away from it).


You still come back to this ridiculous statement. It's shocking that it is your response to my statement about kids stealing, hitting and hurting. There are all kinds of bad things that kids are attracted to and it's your JOB as a parent to train them otherwise.

If/When you become a parent (assuming you aren't one now) every week (probably every day) you will be keeping your kids away from things that they aren't ready for or aren't good for them. This kind of blanket "let the children lead the way" is simply not compatible with good childrearing.

It's a dangerous world out there with bad things. Over the timeline of their childhood a parent should incrementally prepare the child to deal with these things. However, that does not change the fact that there are some things 8-12 year olds are not ready for, some things they should not be engaging in, and some things they are not ready for the full knowledge of.

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I wouldn't want really young kids to play this (I played it when I was 9 or 10 with my 14 year old brother, Nurgle scared the crap out of me), but kids 12 or older I think could deal with the fact that this future has no happy anything.
   
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 Grey Templar wrote:
I think the game itself and the basic lore is harmless enough.

Once you go deeper, probably not.

I've read some HH books. (up to the 11-13th ish book) Fulgrim. . . is not for children. Remembrancers. . . not for children.

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What's wrong with Remembrancers? Do you just not think journalists should be exposed to kids?



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 Jancoran wrote:
for me, I dont think a 10 year old really is going to make good enough distinctions to be trusted with all the knowledge on the games fluff. they are already active, impetuous and they like to cling to things that sound good instead of good sound reasons. and in a couple years, once he has a little more stable moral foundation and is more intentional in his choices, I'll say "sure, cant coddle em forever". But for now i can and being the bad guys is all he's being told. He's watched enough cartoons to know what bad guys are without having to get into the intimate and disturbing things that the Grimdark features in places.


Well, if you manage to keep a ten year old away from any TV anywhere AND other kids at school, and many other way more harmful things that are part of the culture, then maybe you could have a point.

In my opinion, small things like 40K, violence (graphic) and sex are nothing compared to brainwashing your child into accepting his fate as a slave with no glorious future and no individuality, something the culture does all the time, especially at school.

But hey, if you think the non-ignorance of sex and violence is going to do them more harm, ...
   
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I started collecting warhammer 40k when I was 11 (in 2006) and back then, the fluff in my Space Marine codex was pretty adequate background reading and storytelling for me as I was getting into this cool new hobby.

My dad thought it was great I took to this hobby because he'd enjoyed a similar thing when he was younger as well, so I'm guessing he checked out 40k when I told him about it after I'd heard from my friends at school that it was pretty cool. He let me do my thing because he'd known he'd brought me up in a realistic way, not shielding me from too much so I wasn't naive, letting me make my own choices about religion etc.

Because kids around that age are pretty active anyway, I don't think it's much of a worry that they'll get into any dark and graphic fluff on their own. What my dad did was buy me a couple of 40k novels at birthdays and Christmases that were suitable for a kid of 12-14. First 40k book I ever read was the first Ultramarines Omnibus and I loved it.

So yeah, don't prevent your kids from seeing stuff altogether, just show them the less dark stuff and let them develop their own taste from there
   
 
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