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2014/09/20 12:37:22
Subject: For freedom an' krumpin'! Redesigning codex: Orks
As much as there is variation between different unit types, there tends to be very little within a single unit type. This is very much in contradiction of the orky way which has no set design for anything.
Also, getting some use out of cybork bodies would be nice.
So, without further ado, on to the rules:
Army Special Rules
Spoiler:
Disturbing Experimenters: A model with this special rules gets an invulnerable save based off of how many items from the cybork bitz list it has:
0.......-
1......6+
2......5+
3......4+
(All models have this special rule)
All other army special rules as shown in Codex: Orks
Kombi-weapon with rokkit launcha..................................................................................................................................5 pts
Kombi-weapon with skorcha............................................................................................................................................8 pts
Big choppa.......................................................................................................................................................................8 pts
Power klaw....................................................................................................................................................................25 pts
Big shoota........................................................................................................................................................................5 pts
Big shoota........................................................................................................................................................................5 pts
0-3 Ammo runts 1......................................................................................................................................................3 pts each
1 Models without the independent character special rule may only take one.
2 May only be taken by models with the independent character special rule, or models in units of Nobz, in which case the entire unit has to take warbikes. May not be taken by models in mega armour.
Attack squig: A model with an attack squig may reduce the attacks characteristic of a model they are in base contact with by 1, to a minimum of 1.
Cybork leg: A model equipped with a cybork leg has the slow and purposeful special rule.
Gitfinda: A model equipped with a gitfinda gets +1 BS on a turn in which it hasn't moved. A model with the slow and purposeful or relentless special rules always benefits from the +1 BS from a gitfinda.
Squig brain: A model equipped with a squig brain has the rage and rampage special rules. A squig brain doesn't count towards the disturbing experimenters special rule.
Cybork body: A cybork body counts as two items from the cybork bitz list for the purposes of the disturbing experimenters special rule.
Cybork arm: A model equipped with a cybork arm gets +1 Strength.
Cybork skull: A model equipped with a cybork skull has the eternal warrior special rule.
HQ
Spoiler:
Warboss
Price: 60 points.
Stats
As shown in Codex: Orks
Wargear
As shown in Codex: Orks
Special rules
'Ere We Go!
Furious Charge
Independent Character
Mob Rule
Boss of the Waaagh!
Boss of the Waaagh!: At the start of the game, a model with this special rule must, if he is your Warlord, choose one of the following special rules:
Waaagh!
Lord of Dakka
Ramshackle Charge
Lord of Dakka: Once per game, at the start of any of your turns, a model with this special rule can call a Volley of Dakka. On the turn he does so, all friendly models with the 'Ere We Go! special rule may re-roll to hit rolls of 1.
Ramshackle Charge: Once per game, at the start of any of your turns, a model with this special rule can call a Ramshackle Charge. On the turn he does so, all friendly models with the bike, jetbike or vehicle unit types, other than walkers, may move an additional 3 inches. Vehicles also count as moving 3 inches less than they actually move.
Waaagh! as shown in Codex: Orks
Options:
May take 'eavy armour.......................................................................................................................................................4 pts
May replace slugga and choppa with mega armour, twin-linked shoota and power klaw................................................40 pts
May replace slugga with an item from the Ranged Weapons list.
May replace slugga and/or choppa with an item from the Melee Weapons list.
May take items from the Boss' Gubbinz list.
May take up to two items from the Cybork Bitz list
A Warboss in mega armour may replace twin-linked shoota with a power klaw................................................................5 pts
Cracklin' Edge: Use the first AP value normally. Use the second one when the wielder has successfully manifested the force psykic power.
Special rules
As shown in Codex: Orks
Psyker
As shown in Codex: Orks
Options
May be upgraded to Psyker (Mastery Level 2).................................................................................................................25 pts
May replace Weirdchoppa with Weirdboy staff....................................................................................................................free
May replace Weirdchoppa with Bigger weirdchoppa.........................................................................................................5 pts
_________________Range_S_ _AP___Type_________________________
Bigger weirdchoppa____-__+2_5/d3+1_Melee, Two handed, Cracklin' Edge
Mek
Price: 15 points.
Stats
As shown in Codex: Orks
Wargear
As shown in Codex: Orks
Special Rules
As shown in Codex: Orks
Options
May be accompanied by a grot oiler..................................................................................................................................5 pts
May replace slugga and/or choppa with an item from the Melee Weapons list
May replace slugga and/or choppa with an item from the Ranged Weapons or Mek Weapons lists.
May take an item from the Cybork Bitz list.
Big Mek
Price: 35 points
Stats
As shown in Codex: Orks
Wargear
As shown in Codex: Orks
Special Rules
As shown in Codex: Orks
Options:
May take 'eavy armour......................................................................................................................................................4 pts
May replace slugga with one of the following:
---Kustom force field........................................................................................................................................................50 pts
---Kustom force field........................................................................................................................................................50 pts
Painboy
Price: 50 points
Stats
As shown in Codex: Orks
Wargear
As shown in Codex: Orks
Special rules
'Ere We Go!
Furious Charge
Independent Character
Mob Rule
Clanking Patients
Clanking Patients: For every model with the Clanking Patients special rule in your army, you may choose a unit. Any models in that unit may take one more item from the Cybork Bitz list than they normally can. Units cannot be chosen more than once.
Options
May take a power klaw....................................................................................................................................................25 pts
May take a grot orderly......................................................................................................................................................5 pts
Troops
Spoiler:
Boyz
Price: 60 points
Stats:
As shown in Codex: Orks
Wargear
As shown in Codex: Orks
Special Rules:
As shown in Codex: Orks
Options
May include up to twenty additional Ork Boyz........................................................................................................6 pts/model
Any model may replace their choppa with one of the following:
Any model may replace their slugga with a shoota..................................................................................................1 pt/model
Any model may take 'eavy armour.........................................................................................................................4 pts/model
For every ten models in the unit, one may take one of the following:
One other model may be upgraded to a Boss Nob.........................................................................................................10 pts
The Boss Nob may take items from the Ranged Weapons and Melee Weapons lists.
The Boss Nob may take a bosspole..................................................................................................................................5 pts
Transports will be sorted out when I decide how ork vehicles are going to work.
Gretchin
Price: 35 pts
Stats
Gretchin As shown in Codex: Orks
Runtherd As shown in Codex: Orks
___________ WS_BS_S_T_W_I_A_Ld_Sv___Unit Type
Dakka Mount__-___-__-_ 4_ 1_ -_-__-__3+___Artillery
Special Rules
Gretchin As shown in Codex: Orks
Runtherd As shown in Codex: Orks
Dakka Mount
Light Weapon
Light Weapon: A model with the light weapon special rule counts as a gun in an artillery unit, even though it has a different profile to the normal one. Additionally, it can fire overwatch and uses the majority unit toughness.
Options
May include up to 20 additional gretchin.................................................................................................................3 pts/model
Must take a runtherd for every 10 additional gretchin in the unit............................................................................7 pts/model
May take a dakka mount for every 10 gretchin in the unit......................................................................................5 pts/model
All dakka mounts must take an item from the Speshul Dakka list.
Squig Herd
Price: 40 pts
Unit composition
10 squigs
Stats
Runtherd As shown in Codex: Orks under Gretchin
____ _WS_BS_S_T_W_I_A_Ld_Sv___Unit Type
Squig__3__ 0__3_3_1_ 3_1_5__-____ Infantry
Wargear
Runtherd
Choppa
Special Rules
Runtherd As shown in Codex: Orks
Squig
Furious Charge
Rage
Rampage
Uncontrollable Charges
Uncontrollable Charges: If a unit contains more than five models with the uncontrollable charges special rule for every runtherd, it must move as fast as possible towards the nearest enemy unit and attempt to charge it if possible.
Options
May take up to ten additional squigs......................................................................................................................4 pts/model
May take up to four runtherds................................................................................................................................7 pts/model
Stats
Burna Boy As shown in Codex: Orks
Mek As shown in Codex: Orks
Boss Nob As shown in Codex: Orks under Ork Boyz
Wargear
As shown in Codex: Orks
Special Rules
As shown in Codex: Orks
Options
May include up to ten additional burna boyz.........................................................................................................16 pts/model
Up to three models may be upgraded to meks, replacing their burnas with meks tools, slugga and choppa.....................free
Any mek may be accompanied by a grot oiler.........................................................................................................5 pts/model
Any mek may replace his slugga and/or choppa with an item from the Ranged Weapons, Melee Weapons or Mek Weapons lists.
If the unit doesn't contain any meks, one model may be upgraded to a boss nob..........................................................10 pts
The boss nob may replace his burna with a slugga and choppa........................................................................................free
The boss nob may replace his slugga and/or choppa with an item from the Ranged Weapons or Melee Weapons lists.
The boss nob may replace his slugga and/or choppa with a burna pistol.......................................................................15 pts
May include up to 10 additional Tankbustas........................................................................................................13 pts/model
May include up to three bomb squigs....................................................................................................................5 pts/model
Any model may take 'eavy armour.........................................................................................................................4 pts/model
Up to two tankbustas may replace their rocket launchers with one of the following:
One model may be upgraded to a Boss Nob.................................................................................................................10 pts
The boss nob may take items from the Melee Weapons and Boss' Gubbinz lists.
More to come when real life permits.
This message was edited 9 times. Last update was at 2014/11/14 19:16:51
Oh da grand ol' Duke of Ork
'e 'ad ten fousand boyz.
'E marched 'em up to da top ov da hill
an den dey made some noise!
An wen dey woz up dey woz up!
An wen dey woz loud dey woz loud!
An wen dey woz both up an loud
dey made all da grots go deff!
2014/09/20 13:35:01
Subject: For freedom an' krumpin'! Redesigning codex: Orks
Jefffar wrote: Cybernetic reconstruction gives the Iron Hands Feel NoPain (6+) so perhaps the Cyborks could get that. 6+ for 1-2 items and at 5+ if 3 or more.
Any Feel No Pain would be rendered useless by the Feel No Pain conferred by Painboys.
I think it would be appropriate for the Squig brain to reduce BS and/or Ld
I wouldn't have thought that squigs would have any worse Ld than orks, and orks are innaccurate enough anyway!
Oh da grand ol' Duke of Ork
'e 'ad ten fousand boyz.
'E marched 'em up to da top ov da hill
an den dey made some noise!
An wen dey woz up dey woz up!
An wen dey woz loud dey woz loud!
An wen dey woz both up an loud
dey made all da grots go deff!
Squig-Payloads as a Bomma upgrade would be great, like in Deff Skwadron.
Otherwise, the only real *well that's dirty* ability I can think of would be the Bionik Legs to grant Slow and Purposeful; because it's a rule that gets conferred onto the *entire* unit and all. But Orks are BS 2 anyway so it's not *too* dramatic a shift...perhaps.
2014/10/18 18:36:13
Subject: For freedom an' krumpin'! Redesigning codex: Orks
MagicJuggler wrote: Squig-Payloads as a Bomma upgrade would be great, like in Deff Skwadron.
I'm not sure if this is what you are thinking of, but I thought of having large cages full of squigs strapped to the bottom of Bommas, which could be burst open, scattering squigs all over anything below.
Otherwise, the only real *well that's dirty* ability I can think of would be the Bionik Legs to grant Slow and Purposeful; because it's a rule that gets conferred onto the *entire* unit and all. But Orks are BS 2 anyway so it's not *too* dramatic a shift...perhaps.
Lootas or Mek Gunz would be the only things it could cause problems with, but I see what you mean.
Added Squig Herds.
Oh da grand ol' Duke of Ork
'e 'ad ten fousand boyz.
'E marched 'em up to da top ov da hill
an den dey made some noise!
An wen dey woz up dey woz up!
An wen dey woz loud dey woz loud!
An wen dey woz both up an loud
dey made all da grots go deff!
Oh yep, sorry for that - it's for a sniper thread. Ignore the above - will delete.
Automatically Appended Next Post: BTW, i love the dakkagun option!
Rendng choppa for 1 pt is too cheap, really. It should be 5 pts with the big choppa. Not less - for sure. Cause 4-5 rending attacks on the charge...well, you know - that's too low for 1 pt. And in the case when you can have hidden rending choppas maybe even 5 is too low. Just think about it. If previously only nob was that frightening for many tough targets - they will just get erazed by a bunch of 7 pt boyz like no big deal.
And Kustom mega slugga - why 8 pts while kustom mega blasta is 5?
This message was edited 4 times. Last update was at 2014/10/19 19:45:26
koooaei wrote: Rendng choppa for 1 pt is too cheap, really. It should be 5 pts with the big choppa. Not less - for sure. Cause 4-5 rending attacks on the charge...well, you know - that's too low for 1 pt. And in the case when you can have hidden rending choppas maybe even 5 is too low. Just think about it. If previously only nob was that frightening for many tough targets - they will just get erazed by a bunch of 7 pt boyz like no big deal.
I want to keep it fairly cheap, seeing as it is going onto boyz mobs, so how about re-rolling to wound rolls of 1 instead?
Should the big choppa get re-rolls as well, and if so, should it get a price increase?
And Kustom mega slugga - why 8 pts while kustom mega blasta is 5?
I'm not entirely sure. In the codex they are 10 pts, and pistols in general cost more than other weapons with similar power.
Probably due to the extra attack in close combat.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/10/20 06:22:11
Oh da grand ol' Duke of Ork
'e 'ad ten fousand boyz.
'E marched 'em up to da top ov da hill
an den dey made some noise!
An wen dey woz up dey woz up!
An wen dey woz loud dey woz loud!
An wen dey woz both up an loud
dey made all da grots go deff!
Just give a chain choppa shred for 2 pts. Will allready be enough for a hidden weapon. Won't be super-useful but a couple for leftover points are fine.
I feel that Big choppas are underwhelming, in all fairness. I'd love to see them getting rending instead of ap5 but they should probably cost more than 5 in this case cause otherwise it'd be a no-brainer. Maybe 8. Will be a nice alternative to a power klaw in a truck rush or for footslogging small squads you might get when you have 80-90 pt to spare.
Cybernetic reconstruction gives the Iron Hands Feel NoPain (6+) so perhaps the Cyborks could get that. 6+ for 1-2 items and at 5+ if 3 or more.
I think it would be appropriate for the Squig brain to reduce BS and/or Ld
Cybork Body in the current Dex is a 6+ FNP, which is why it is no longer taken by anyone ever. :( Why spend 5 points for a 6+ FNP when you're just going to put the Warboss with a 50 point Painboy who gives the ENTIRE unit a 5+ FNP? :p
Automatically Appended Next Post:
MagicJuggler wrote: Squig-Payloads as a Bomma upgrade would be great, like in Deff Skwadron.
Otherwise, the only real *well that's dirty* ability I can think of would be the Bionik Legs to grant Slow and Purposeful; because it's a rule that gets conferred onto the *entire* unit and all. But Orks are BS 2 anyway so it's not *too* dramatic a shift...perhaps.
The thing I dislike is giving S&P to your Warboss would just bog down the entire blob he is with. I'm not sure it would be worth adding on to give him an Invul. That causes my entire blob to be unable to run, and I'm pretty sure they can't sweep advance as well. (Unless I'm confusing S&P with something else in regards to Sweep Advances)
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/10/20 16:46:39
2014/10/21 16:03:42
Subject: For freedom an' krumpin'! Redesigning codex: Orks
MagicJuggler wrote: Squig-Payloads as a Bomma upgrade would be great, like in Deff Skwadron.
Otherwise, the only real *well that's dirty* ability I can think of would be the Bionik Legs to grant Slow and Purposeful; because it's a rule that gets conferred onto the *entire* unit and all. But Orks are BS 2 anyway so it's not *too* dramatic a shift...perhaps.
The thing I dislike is giving S&P to your Warboss would just bog down the entire blob he is with. I'm not sure it would be worth adding on to give him an Invul. That causes my entire blob to be unable to run, and I'm pretty sure they can't sweep advance as well. (Unless I'm confusing S&P with something else in regards to Sweep Advances)
S&P does prevent sweeping advances. They would mainly be used on Flash Gits for a permanent BS 3 or a SAG mek.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/10/21 16:04:19
Oh da grand ol' Duke of Ork
'e 'ad ten fousand boyz.
'E marched 'em up to da top ov da hill
an den dey made some noise!
An wen dey woz up dey woz up!
An wen dey woz loud dey woz loud!
An wen dey woz both up an loud
dey made all da grots go deff!
2014/11/06 02:46:34
Subject: For freedom an' krumpin'! Redesigning codex: Orks
