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Dark Angels are winning?!?!

Imperial Fists all the way!

I have to go for the Imperial Fists. For one thing, they fit my tactics a bit a more. They are more defensive and see that the best offense is a good defense. As others have pointed out, they will always do the right thing, no matter what even if it comes at great sacrifice to themselves. Dorn was notoriously not liked because he would stand up for what is right even if it meant that one of his brothers nearly beat him to an inch of his life. I also admire their discipline and loyalty. To me, it is the Imperial Fists that should of taken over as lead legion, not the Ultramarines. The Imperial Fists were there when Horus attacked Terra and stood by the Emperor.

Honorable mentions: Salamanders, Space Wolves and Raven Guard because they fight not only for the Imperium but for the people of the Imperium. That is the one fault I would have to say that the Imperial Fists have but these other legions do have but it isn't enough for them to knock the Imperial Fists out of first place for me.

Space wolves. They were my first army 13 years ago. They care about the people and are the only chapter that drinks and celebrates victories. Plus they don't take any crap from anyone.

Wait, Dark Angels made the list but the Alpha Legion didn't? This thread is bjorked.

Raven Guard, Iron Hands, Imperial Fisters can feth off.
Salamanders and Ultramarines are cool, but too mainstream for my tastes.
Blood Angels have a nice colour scheme but they're also foppish effetes.
Space Wolves would be my favourites if it wasn't for all the wolf gak.

So that leaves the White Scars as my favourite. Sure, their colour scheme isn't particularly interesting, but they've got heart and better yet, they're totally indie. Viva Mongoria!



That having been said, death to the false emperor, blood of the blood god, pants for the pantheon, etc, etc, etc.

Salamanders

I think that they are all too different, and unique in their own right for me to say i have a favorite. Each legion has something about them that i love, and that i hate. None of them are spot on for me. i do have ones that i favor less such as the blood angles, and the imperial fists.

I don't care as much about space marines because they are no longer human, and lack many of the things that make us human. The imperial guard fits my personality much more because they are the average Joe faced with the same enemy that even these super soldiers can struggle with.

blood angels, dark angels and space wolves. I love all three for various reasons. from fluff, to actual models, themes, etc.

 Envihon wrote:
I have to go for the Imperial Fists. For one thing, they fit my tactics a bit a more. They are more defensive and see that the best offense is a good defense. As others have pointed out, they will always do the right thing, no matter what even if it comes at great sacrifice to themselves. Dorn was notoriously not liked because he would stand up for what is right even if it meant that one of his brothers nearly beat him to an inch of his life. I also admire their discipline and loyalty. To me, it is the Imperial Fists that should of taken over as lead legion, not the Ultramarines. The Imperial Fists were there when Horus attacked Terra and stood by the Emperor.

Honorable mentions: Salamanders, Space Wolves and Raven Guard because they fight not only for the Imperium but for the people of the Imperium. That is the one fault I would have to say that the Imperial Fists have but these other legions do have but it isn't enough for them to knock the Imperial Fists out of first place for me.

I have to agree with you on the IF espically about one of their faults being their lack of humanity. Just look at how Dorn treats Sigismund in the short story Crimson Fist. I would have to pick Ultramarines as my runner up. I feel they are similar to the IF ,but I downgrade them slightly for their love of bureaucracy and adhearance to the codex.

SpyderG6 wrote:

 Envihon wrote:
I have to go for the Imperial Fists. For one thing, they fit my tactics a bit a more. They are more defensive and see that the best offense is a good defense. As others have pointed out, they will always do the right thing, no matter what even if it comes at great sacrifice to themselves. Dorn was notoriously not liked because he would stand up for what is right even if it meant that one of his brothers nearly beat him to an inch of his life. I also admire their discipline and loyalty. To me, it is the Imperial Fists that should of taken over as lead legion, not the Ultramarines. The Imperial Fists were there when Horus attacked Terra and stood by the Emperor.

Honorable mentions: Salamanders, Space Wolves and Raven Guard because they fight not only for the Imperium but for the people of the Imperium. That is the one fault I would have to say that the Imperial Fists have but these other legions do have but it isn't enough for them to knock the Imperial Fists out of first place for me.

I have to agree with you on the IF espically about one of their faults being their lack of humanity. Just look at how Dorn treats Sigismund in the short story Crimson Fist. I would have to pick Ultramarines as my runner up. I feel they are similar to the IF ,but I downgrade them slightly for their love of bureaucracy and adhearance to the codex.

There is a reason for that in the Crimson Fist but you have to see the whole picture and read/listen to all the stories and audio books that involve Dorn. The problem is that Dorn truly believed in the Emperor's vision of a united humanity free from superstitious belief. Dorn poured his hear and soul into it, then to see it all shattered in a blink of an eye because of Horus' betrayal, shook Dorn to his core. It made him question what he was doing and question if the Emperor had the right of it. Listen to The Last Remebrancer to really see this side of Dorn. Then to hear that the most trusted right hand man stayed with you instead of doing his duty, another tenet of the Imperial Fists, because of a prophecy based on religious tenet, it was pouring salt into the wound which is why Dorn reacted the way he did. This is what leads up to the furious Retribuition after the siege of Terra.

Also, at first, Dorn rejected the Codex Astartes unwilling to break up his legion and unneeded since the Imperial Fists were already the most disciplined of the Legions. He only agreed after it almost caused another civil war. He then took up it and said they would perfect it like they always do and they do.

I don't think the Imperial Fists lack humanity but believe in the system way too much. They are on the lawful side of things and choose to make the system work but when someone violates the system, the pass judgement no matter what even if the people might suffer. It is the one problem with having rigid discipline like they do but they still have conflict and that is definitely seen in the Crimson Fist as well. They aren't soulless robots but they don't question authority unless that authority has completely and utterly over stepped their bounds. Salamanders and Space Wolves always fight for whats right regardless of regulation and laws which is why they get in trouble with things like the Inquisition. Two sides of the same coin. All of these factions wish to make the Imperium a better place but they go about it in different ways and highlight what is good about each perspective but what is also bad about each perspective which is why I like them a lot and the writing of Black Library.

I like the Raven Guard, mostly because of the emphisis on speed and stealth tactics over run and gun. They are sneaky space marine ninjas that can stealth in power armor! how cool is that?

 PhillyT wrote:
Dark Angels are winning?!?!

Imperial Fists all the way!

I'm more concerned with Space Wolves having just as much votes as Dark Angels!

I'm not big on any of the founding legions... but if forced to pick, Salamanders.

I also really love the flame thrower from The Thing.

Imperial Fists (and hey, currently on second place!). Because ...

Lysander is probably my favorite SM character, both for the mini and the story.

I like the color scheme.

Fleet-based, and recruiting from Terra and Necromunda (among other planets).

Most of the other stuff I like about them has already been mentioned.

Close second would be Salamanders, third goes to Blood Angels (which was my first 40K army, back in the day when all Marines wore MK6 PA).

black templar tjhe only ones who actually don't fail.... forgot to add them.

 EmpNortonII wrote:
I'm not big on any of the founding legions... but if forced to pick, Salamanders.

I also really love the flame thrower from The Thing.

The Thing is one of the most interesting xenos concepts ever.


By the way, previously I assumed that the Salamanders were under the radar of many. This poll has proven me wrong. What's going on?


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OgreChubbs wrote:
black templar tjhe only ones who actually don't fail.... forgot to add them.

Legion my friend, legion.

OgreChubbs wrote:
black templar tjhe only ones who actually don't fail.... forgot to add them.

Yeah, Founding Legions, which means if you like the Black Templar, Imperial Fists would be your favorite since Sigismund is the one who founds that Chapter.

 JTFirefly wrote:
Imperial Fists (and hey, currently on second place!). Because ...

Lysander is probably my favorite SM character, both for the mini and the story.

I like the color scheme.

Fleet-based, and recruiting from Terra and Necromunda (among other planets).

Most of the other stuff I like about them has already been mentioned.

Close second would be Salamanders, third goes to Blood Angels (which was my first 40K army, back in the day when all Marines wore MK6 PA).

I can tell.

But I feel that their bright yellow color scheme makes them a little cartoony. The Iron Warriors hazard stripe markings also look cheesy. And what's so appealing about being fleet based?

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 JTFirefly wrote:
Imperial Fists (and hey, currently on second place!). Because ...

Lysander is probably my favorite SM character, both for the mini and the story.

I like the color scheme.

Fleet-based, and recruiting from Terra and Necromunda (among other planets).

Most of the other stuff I like about them has already been mentioned.

Close second would be Salamanders, third goes to Blood Angels (which was my first 40K army, back in the day when all Marines wore MK6 PA).

I can tell.

But I feel that their bright yellow color scheme makes them a little cartoony. The Iron Warriors hazard stripe markings also look cheesy. And what's so appealing about being fleet based?

I don't know, the yellow can look pretty badass at times:

 Orblivion wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 JTFirefly wrote:
Imperial Fists (and hey, currently on second place!). Because ...

Lysander is probably my favorite SM character, both for the mini and the story.

I like the color scheme.

Fleet-based, and recruiting from Terra and Necromunda (among other planets).

Most of the other stuff I like about them has already been mentioned.

Close second would be Salamanders, third goes to Blood Angels (which was my first 40K army, back in the day when all Marines wore MK6 PA).

I can tell.

But I feel that their bright yellow color scheme makes them a little cartoony. The Iron Warriors hazard stripe markings also look cheesy. And what's so appealing about being fleet based?

I don't know, the yellow can look pretty badass at times:

That's fan-art and not the official yellow of the Imperial Fists.

Happy?

I go back and forth about the color scheme of the Imperial Fists. I mostly field them because of their tactics and it is the Legion/Chapter I most relate as well as my favorite Primarch besides Magnus comes from them.

This is dampered by the fact about how hard yellow is to freaking paint!

Fists, because from the Fists come the Black Templars, which is my actual favorite Loyalist Chapter.

Cowardice is not a good colour for siege defenders, mmkay?

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Cowardice is not a good colour for siege defenders, mmkay?

Technically, it is a golden yellow which is always described as having a regal tone to it and everything to describe the Imperial Fists is Dorn's golden warriors.


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Okay, I have to ask this, why do the White Scars and Iron Hands get no love when they are heralded as the best tournament SMs to take?

To me, the Scars are... fairly boring. Yeah, they're Ghengis Khan and his Mongol Hordes on Harleys. I get that. I just don't care about it.

Iron Hands are CyberMarines.... yeah, ok, I played Cyberpunk: 2020, too, and have seen that done better. Also, Ranx did it better twenty years earlier.

 Envihon wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Cowardice is not a good colour for siege defenders, mmkay?

Technically, it is a golden yellow which is always described as having a regal tone to it and everything to describe the Imperial Fists is Dorn's golden warriors.


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Okay, I have to ask this, why do the White Scars and Iron Hands get no love when they are heralded as the best tournament SMs to take?

Eh, I always feel like that kind of stuff is just BS. Compare the Sanguinary Guard to the Imperial Fists, one is gold and one is yellow.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Cowardice is not a good colour for siege defenders, mmkay?

It's Banana Yellow. Not Coward Yellow... which is brighter, almost neon.

 Orblivion wrote:

 Envihon wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Cowardice is not a good colour for siege defenders, mmkay?

Technically, it is a golden yellow which is always described as having a regal tone to it and everything to describe the Imperial Fists is Dorn's golden warriors.


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Okay, I have to ask this, why do the White Scars and Iron Hands get no love when they are heralded as the best tournament SMs to take?

Eh, I always feel like that kind of stuff is just BS. Compare the Sanguinary Guard to the Imperial Fists, one is gold and one is yellow.

I was just being facetious, it is just straight yellow. I do also sometimes question the reason why they would paint a military force in such a gaudy yellow but it is the rule of cool.

 Envihon wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Cowardice is not a good colour for siege defenders, mmkay?

Technically, it is a golden yellow which is always described as having a regal tone to it and everything to describe the Imperial Fists is Dorn's golden warriors.


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Okay, I have to ask this, why do the White Scars and Iron Hands get no love when they are heralded as the best tournament SMs to take?

They're boring. There's no real character to them, or good books.

IH tactics are close enough to the Death Guard, so I like em on that reasoning. Close range Bolters and drop pod dreadnoughts. The bionics thing is okay I guess, but Im more interested in their Successors the Red Talons.