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http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/09/40k-10-best-units-in-game.html

Thoughts?

3 I definitely don't agree should be in the top 10 are IK, Coatez and Firestorm Redoubt. Still good - just not top 10.
Ork Mek guns should be in there (kannons and lobbas). 90pts for 20 t7 wounds and 5 bs3 st8 shots with the options for the ability of one roll tl on each one and extra krew is great.
Where are warp spiders?
Grav bikers?
TFC?
Necron Royal courts (especially stormtek-veiltek combo)?
Inquisitors with rad granades and servo skulls?
Riptides?
Wraiths with DL?
Annihilation barge?

If considering FW:
Transcendent C'tan?
Lynx?
Reaver Titan?
Typhon?
Sicaran?

Yeah, I don't think any anti-air option should be on that list. They are at best a tax you have to pay, at worst an overcosted, ineffective way to deal with flyers.

Some of the guys who post up there are a little off but generally speaking, their stuff is usually a good place to start from and branch off to your particular style.
They are the most reputable site online for a good reason.

Poly Ranger wrote:
3 I definitely don't agree should be in the top 10 are IK, Coatez and Firestorm Redoubt. Still good - just not top 10.
Ork Mek guns should be in there (kannons and lobbas). 90pts for 20 t7 wounds and 5 bs3 st8 shots with the options for the ability of one roll tl on each one and extra krew is great.
Where are warp spiders?
Grav bikers?
TFC?
Necron Royal courts (especially stormtek-veiltek combo)?
Inquisitors with rad granades and servo skulls?
Riptides?
Wraiths with DL?
Annihilation barge?

If considering FW:
Transcendent C'tan?
Lynx?
Reavenant Titan?
Typhon?
Sicaran?

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Edit^ said wrong titan then pressed quote insted of edit oops.

Poly Ranger wrote:
3 I definitely don't agree should be in the top 10 are IK, Coatez and Firestorm Redoubt. Still good - just not top 10.
Ork Mek guns should be in there (kannons and lobbas). 90pts for 20 t7 wounds and 5 bs3 st8 shots with the options for the ability of one roll tl on each one and extra krew is great.
Where are warp spiders?
Grav bikers?
TFC?
Necron Royal courts (especially stormtek-veiltek combo)?
Inquisitors with rad granades and servo skulls?
Riptides?
Wraiths with DL?
Annihilation barge?

If considering FW:
Transcendent C'tan?
Lynx?
Reaver Titan?
Typhon?
Sicaran?

Wraiths with DL? Maybe two years ago.
Riptides? Definitely not top ten.
Stormtek/Veiktek combo unreliable (deep strike, scatter, 12" range - better applied from night scythe)
Sicarans are good, as are TFC, but which of that top ten do they knock off the top?


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Personally, I'd have Thunder wolf cavalry and Farseer on a Jetbike on the list.

Another useless song chart.

CCB is so overrated.

Yeah, it's pretty durable (against shooting). No, it's damage output is actually pretty crap.

finally a list without the overrated TFC in it

Kholzerino wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:
3 I definitely don't agree should be in the top 10 are IK, Coatez and Firestorm Redoubt. Still good - just not top 10.
Ork Mek guns should be in there (kannons and lobbas). 90pts for 20 t7 wounds and 5 bs3 st8 shots with the options for the ability of one roll tl on each one and extra krew is great.
Where are warp spiders?
Grav bikers?
TFC?
Necron Royal courts (especially stormtek-veiltek combo)?
Inquisitors with rad granades and servo skulls?
Riptides?
Wraiths with DL?
Annihilation barge?

If considering FW:
Transcendent C'tan?
Lynx?
Reaver Titan?
Typhon?
Sicaran?

Wraiths with DL? Maybe two years ago.
Riptides? Definitely not top ten.
Stormtek/Veiktek combo unreliable (deep strike, scatter, 12" range - better applied from night scythe)
Sicarans are good, as are TFC, but which of that top ten do they knock off the top?


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Personally, I'd have Thunder wolf cavalry and Farseer on a Jetbike on the list.

Wraiths with a DL are still up there and are amongst the strongest unit in a very strong dex. Why are they not anymore do you think? What has changed so drastically in 2 years?
Stormtek/veiltek combo is anything but unreliable with a 12" effective range. They always demolish whatever they hunt. For a mere 110pts. I've listed what they should knock off the list. IK, Coatez and fortress of redemption.

The list was created based on that persons experiences and openly asks for input. They are acknowledging that they are not the font of information, giving you a base to start from in terms of picking some off/adding others on and so forth. The point ofit is to makeyou think. I'd say they have succeeded in doing that not only there but here as well. Would be a good idea to recruit some open minded peopleto start doing the same here.

 EVIL INC wrote:
The list was created based on that persons experiences and openly asks for input. They are acknowledging that they are not the font of information, giving you a base to start from in terms of picking some off/adding others on and so forth. The point ofit is to makeyou think. I'd say they have succeeded in doing that not only there but here as well. Would be a good idea to recruit some open minded peopleto start doing the same here.

So if we disagree and thus provide input on this thread, and pick some off/add others, and think about units we would like on that list, and then suggest them for discussion in the discussions forum. ALL of which you just said is what the post was designed for... we are not being open minded?
Look at the discussuons threads, the tactics threads, the army list threads... you will see there are lots of people DISCUSSING and DEBATING things with a very open mind. I'm sick of this 'everyone on dakka is a close minded, pig headed, argumentative sod with no social or communication skills' attitude that some DAKKA users have towards dakka, just because they have had a few strong disagreements with a few.

Btw good flame comment.

Poly Ranger wrote:

Kholzerino wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:
3 I definitely don't agree should be in the top 10 are IK, Coatez and Firestorm Redoubt. Still good - just not top 10.
Ork Mek guns should be in there (kannons and lobbas). 90pts for 20 t7 wounds and 5 bs3 st8 shots with the options for the ability of one roll tl on each one and extra krew is great.
Where are warp spiders?
Grav bikers?
TFC?
Necron Royal courts (especially stormtek-veiltek combo)?
Inquisitors with rad granades and servo skulls?
Riptides?
Wraiths with DL?
Annihilation barge?

If considering FW:
Transcendent C'tan?
Lynx?
Reaver Titan?
Typhon?
Sicaran?

Wraiths with DL? Maybe two years ago.
Riptides? Definitely not top ten.
Stormtek/Veiktek combo unreliable (deep strike, scatter, 12" range - better applied from night scythe)
Sicarans are good, as are TFC, but which of that top ten do they knock off the top?


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Personally, I'd have Thunder wolf cavalry and Farseer on a Jetbike on the list.

Wraiths with a DL are still up there and are amongst the strongest unit in a very strong dex. Why are they not anymore do you think? What has changed so drastically in 2 years?
Stormtek/veiltek combo is anything but unreliable with a 12" effective range. They always demolish whatever they hunt. For a mere 110pts. I've listed what they should knock off the list. IK, Coatez and fortress of redemption.

Two years is an exaggeration. I guess the thing really is that there are lots of armies (Space Marines, Tau, Eldar, AM) that can put out volumes of fire that will down wraithwings. Serpent shields, Pask punisher, grav centurions especially, riptides). No FNP, no reanimation protocols. Most tournament lists have a shooty element that can deal with wraiths before they get across the table. I have struggled to apply mine (I used to run 18 wraiths, so I am a fan). Whereas A Barges, Tomb Blades, CCBs, Ghost Arks have all gotten better.

As for Stormteks and Veilteks together (I think both are excellent separately) my problem is this - the gun has a 12" range. So you have a choice: place your models where they can scatter into the enemy and misshap, or place them where they can scatter out if range and not be able to shoot. You will always have to do one of those things and you will usually have to do both. Delivering via Night Scythe is so much more reliable. I think Veilteks are great for warrior/immortal blobs and Stormteks are great dropping out of scythes.

Coateaz is AMAZING in the right unit (grav cannon centurions for instance).

I think this is actually an older list I've seen before on BoLS, despite the posting date on it. For instance, Coteaz no longer has "FOC tricks." And, while the Firestorm Redoubt was a very effective choice in 6th Edition, 7th's changes to Interceptor makes the Firestorm a far less attractive option now.

All I got to say is Mephiston who does not go o crap I got to deal with this joker.

I think thunderwolf cavalry with storm shields should be up there. They always ruin my army's day. two t5 wounds with a 3++ invul save is scary hard to kill. Then they have crazy damage output in combat and are fast and resilient enough to get there.

Rx8Speed wrote:
I think thunderwolf cavalry with storm shields should be up there. They always ruin my army's day. two t5 wounds with a 3++ invul save is scary hard to kill.

Not really...One of them is as hard to kill as two T5 marines, if you're not using AP of any value.

TWC are the gak right now. So cheap! And so many buffing artefacts.


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They often have Endurance or Iron Arm Rune Priest in there. 2+ tanking wolf lord. And Marines are T4, not T5. They will be in Tourney winning lists any second now.

Poly Ranger, please keep the personal attacks to yourself. If you feel that the person who wrote that article is that stupid, dont read their articles. The idea is to give their opinion on what they feel are the best units to start a discussion (you will notice that at the end of the article, they specifically asked for input. You will find a lot of people who will give their opinions as facts and not leave anything open to discussion. The person who wrote this article did not do that. As we have seen here, it has sparked disccussions as to what different people think are the best units. Some coincide with theirs while others dont. if you feel that that person is not open minded or the rest of us are not open minded, that is your opinion. Just try to keep it polite. If you feel that dakka members are that bad, discuss it in a different thread.
Evidently, I am "close minded, pig headed, argumentative sod with no social or communication skills" for thinking this but I also feel that Coatez should be on the list. For his points, being a level 2 psycher, his i've been expecting you, initiative stealing hijinks alone make him a bargain. I feel that the value for points should play a heavy role in whether or not a unit should be on the list.

I think Coteaz deserves to be up there. I would have to also include Purifiers and GK Librarians. also Draigo with GOI is pretty awesome.

Transcendent C'tan isn't FW... but he is banned from most tournaments.
If you can take him, definitely in the top 10.