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Wichita, KS

I'm a local TO, and there is a player planning to run an Armour Battle Group (ABG) list in my upcoming tournament. He is flooding me with questions, and I'm not familiar with the rules for ABG's. I'm even having trouble figuring out how to talk about it.

1) What term should I use to describe the ABG? Faction? Army List? Codex?

2) Our tourney is borrowing all the rules from BAO. 40k approved forgeworld units are allowed in, but this is a whole faction(?). How do I tell if it is 40k approved?

3) Most of the units are in the AM codex, but he's got to run them with all of the profiles, costs, and special rules out of the Forgeworld Imperial Armour Vol. 1: Second Edition book right? Its still a combined arms detachment, so gets command benefits right? It seems obvious to me, but the fact that he has asked several times makes me think there might be more to it.

4) He is quite concerned about Lumbering Behemoth. It is clearly a special rule in IA:1. I know that Lemun Russes lost it in the newest IG codex, but until Forgeworld updates their book, it is still there in ABG's, right? The way he asks makes me think he knows something about this that I don't know.

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Faction is ig
It is 40k approved, has all the stamps
Yes he should use the units from the IA for points etc. Means he gets better vendettas and cheaper, but generally pays more for tanks. It can also add in units from ig book, as it is still codex ig for faction.
It can take any valid detachment, and has no special one. Do can have objective secured leman russ!
Ask him if the rule is explained in the abg list, of refers to the codex ig. If it does refer to the codex, then it has no function
   
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nosferatu1001 wrote:
Faction is ig
It can also add in units from ig book, as it is still codex ig for faction.

BAO rules, each detachment must be pure. No mixing and matching between supplements and primary codex.
   
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tag8833 wrote:
1) What term should I use to describe the ABG? Faction? Army List? Codex?


It's an army list from (presumably) the IG faction. It functions the same way that every other army list does (remember that a codex contains an army list along with the fluff/art/etc, the list of rules and point values is not a codex).

2) Our tourney is borrowing all the rules from BAO. 40k approved forgeworld units are allowed in, but this is a whole faction(?). How do I tell if it is 40k approved?


Everything FW publishes is 40k approved now. The difference between approved and not-approved is obsolete now that 7th edition put LoW units into the normal FOC and all of the old rules from before the "40k approved" designation have been updated to "40k approved" status.

3) Most of the units are in the AM codex, but he's got to run them with all of the profiles, costs, and special rules out of the Forgeworld Imperial Armour Vol. 1: Second Edition book right?


Correct, just like BA continue to use their rules for tactical squads even though tactical squads have newer and different rules in C:SM. The ABG list is an entirely separate army and uses all of its own rules and point values even if similar units in a different army have different rules. The only exception to this would be if something in the ABG says "see Codex:IG" instead of giving the complete rules/point cost/whatever. In that case you would refer to the current codex to find the appropriate rule.

In the case of the ABG list this is both good and bad. Vendettas in the ABG list (which are limited to 0-1 squadron) use the old rules and are better, LRBTs still have the old higher point costs and are worse. Overall the differences probably balance out and it's just like playing an army from any other pre-7th army.

Its still a combined arms detachment, so gets command benefits right


Wrong question. A CAD is determined by using the FOC properly and meeting any other requirements, not by which army list it is chosen from. If an ABG army follows the CAD rules then it will be a CAD and get all appropriate benefits. If it follows some other detachment rules (allied detachment, for example) it will receive those benefits. If it doesn't follow any detachment rules at all then it is an unbound army and follows the same rules as any other unbound army (and gets no command benefits).

4) He is quite concerned about Lumbering Behemoth. It is clearly a special rule in IA:1. I know that Lemun Russes lost it in the newest IG codex, but until Forgeworld updates their book, it is still there in ABG's, right? The way he asks makes me think he knows something about this that I don't know.


RAW it's kind of a mess. RAI you should go back to the last known version of "lumbering behemoth", where it was FAQed at the beginning of 6th edition to simply grant the vehicle the "heavy" type. All the current codex did is remove the redundant special rule and just put it directly into the unit type.


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tag8833 wrote:
BAO rules, each detachment must be pure. No mixing and matching between supplements and primary codex.


In this case you'll need to ask the people who write the BAO rules because now you're asking for help interpreting third-party house rules instead of the rules provided by GW. In YMDC we can only tell you what GW's rules are, we can't decide what changes you want to make to the game.

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tag8833 wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:
Faction is ig
It can also add in units from ig book, as it is still codex ig for faction.

BAO rules, each detachment must be pure. No mixing and matching between supplements and primary codex.

Abg is not a supplement, technically
   
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Per IA1 2nd ed.

Lumbering Behemoth: A Leman Russ follows the rules for Heavy Vehicles on page 83 of the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook.


Now obviously the page number is no longer correct.

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