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 Frazzled wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Well if the point of the Melting Pot is to pull the best of all cultures...

What may I ask does Islamic culture offer to the melting pot? Not much honestly. I really can't think of anything.

Some really nice architecture, and of course saffron rice.


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 Manchu wrote:

 Mr Nobody wrote:
Well, it's not my fault you blew up all the nice parts and bribed the crazy parts.

What exactly did I blow up?

Before we answer that, we have to ask, have you ever had really good Mexican food? If so then you've definitely blown up something...


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 Jihadin wrote:
Coffee bean...they gave us the coffee bean

Incorrect. That was my Latin brothers and sisters.

Indeed it can be argued that, with chocolate, coffee, tomatoes, tobacco, and cocaine, Latin America is both the birthplace and ending of human society.

Aztecs, bringers of civilization to the world since 1540.

Become enlighten my wayward brother....

http://www.ncausa.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=68

Wow. I didn't know that. Cool.

 Frazzled wrote:
Some really nice architecture, and of course saffron rice.

Is saffron rice not Persian? Certainly not Islamic.

They gave us the Doner kebab.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Some really nice architecture, and of course saffron rice.

Is saffron rice not Persian? Certainly not Islamic.

Are you saying Iranians aren't majority Islamic? I stick by my point. Saffron rice is almost as good as Mexican rice.
I have also been illuminated that the greatness of coffee first came from Ethiopia.

 Smacks wrote:
They gave us the Doner kebab.

Was that not Turks?

 Frazzled wrote:
Are you saying Iranians aren't majority Islamic?

I am saying Persian culture predates Islam and will outlive it too. I am saying that to pretend Persian culture is Islamic culture is to insult Persian culture. I am saying that the most popular symbol of Iran for Iranians being the faravahar is quite telling about how much Islam is part of the Persian identity, is it not?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Smacks wrote:
They gave us the Doner kebab.

Was that not Turks?

 Frazzled wrote:
Are you saying Iranians aren't majority Islamic?

I am saying Persian culture predates Islam and will outlive it too. I am saying that to pretend Persian culture is Islamic culture is to insult Persian culture. I am saying that the most popular symbol of Iran for Iranians being the faravahar is quite telling about how much Islam is part of the Persian identity, is it not?

Islam is a religion. What culture are you referring to when you say "islamic culture." If you don't mean the cultural norms of Africa and the Middle East where Islam started and has been strngest historically, then what do you mean?

 Frazzled wrote:
Islam is a religion. What culture are you referring to when you say "islamic culture."

I am not sure what it is supposed to be either, but you will note I was not the one to introduce the term. And I know it is a damn inappropriate expression to refer to some cultural practice that predates Islam by a long shot.

 Frazzled wrote:
If you don't mean the cultural norms of Africa and the Middle East where Islam started and has been strngest historically, then what do you mean?

Islam certainly did not start in Iran. You know it started in Arabia, right? And it was practiced by Arabs, not Persians? How the hell is Persia a place where “Islam has been the strongest historically” when it had to be imposed by force by Arabs invaders, and Zoroastrian survived to it to this day, not only as a religion with a few adepts but also as a huge, pervasive influence on basically every Iranian's life through symbols like the Faravahar or festivals like Nowruz? Do you somehow mix and confuse Iran and Saudi Arabia, or something to that effect?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Islam is a religion. What culture are you referring to when you say "islamic culture."

I am not sure what it is supposed to be either, but you will note I was not the one to introduce the term. And I know it is a damn inappropriate expression to refer to some cultural practice that predates Islam by a long shot.

Wo wo wo! Saffron rice is awesome. Iranians make saffron rice. Whats your problem? Are you some sort of Islamaphobe?

 Frazzled wrote:
If you don't mean the cultural norms of Africa and the Middle East where Islam started and has been strngest historically, then what do you mean?

Islam certainly did not start in Iran. You know it started in Arabia, right? And it was practiced by Arabs, not Persians? How the hell is Persia a place where “Islam has been the strongest historically” when it had to be imposed by force by Arabs invaders, and Zoroastrian survived to it to this day, not only as a religion with a few adepts but also as a huge, pervasive influence on basically every Iranian's life through symbols like the Faravahar or festivals like Nowruz? Do you somehow mix and confuse Iran and Saudi Arabia, or something to that effect?

 Frazzled wrote:
Wo wo wo! Saffron rice is awesome. Iranians make saffron rice. Whats your problem? Are you some sort of Islamaphobe?

I have stated my problem very clearly: my problem is with your assertion that Iranian culture is somehow reducible to Islamic culture. It is not. It definitely is not. That seems pretty clear to me.
Yes, I am sort of an Islamophobe and a Persianophile, I guess, if that makes sense. I do not like Islam (just like I do not like most religions, really, but maybe with a little extra), but I do like Persian culture.
Also, saffron rice is very nice, but when you spend three weeks in Iran as a vegetarian, and this means saffron rice at almost every goddamn meals of every day, it gets old quick. Especially when it comes with some cake for desert made of saffron and rice, with a saffron ice-cream after it .

For reference, we still brought back some polo-paz with us, and regularly uses it, you know. So, yeah, I know about saffron rice .

 Frazzled wrote:
So your argument is that Iran is a not a majority Islamic country?

My argument is that reducing a whole people to just their religion is stupid and wrong. Just wrong, man.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Smacks wrote:
They gave us the Doner kebab.

Was that not Turks?

Specifically, as the "legend" goes, one Turkish dude living in West Germany who wanted to create an easy to eat, easy to transport food dish that reminded him of his homeland

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Wo wo wo! Saffron rice is awesome. Iranians make saffron rice. Whats your problem? Are you some sort of Islamaphobe?

I have stated my problem very clearly: my problem is with your assertion that Iranian culture is somehow reducible to Islamic culture. It is not. It definitely is not. That seems pretty clear to me.
Yes, I am sort of an Islamophobe and a Persianophile, I guess, if that makes sense. I do not like Islam (just like I do not like most religions, really, but maybe with a little extra), but I do like Persian culture.
Also, saffron rice is very nice, but when you spend three weeks in Iran as a vegetarian, and this means saffron rice at almost every goddamn meals of every day, it gets old quick. Especially when it comes with some cake for desert made of saffron and rice, with a saffron ice-cream after it .

For reference, we still brought back some polo-paz with us, and regularly uses it, you know. So, yeah, I know about saffron rice .

 Frazzled wrote:
So your argument is that Iran is a not a majority Islamic country?

My argument is that reducing a whole people to just their religion is stupid and wrong. Just wrong, man.

As the poster did not define "Islamic Culture" I used locations where Islam has historically been strong, then noted saffron rice is excellent (I like Persian food quite a bit). Everything else is on you.


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 Frazzled wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Wo wo wo! Saffron rice is awesome. Iranians make saffron rice. Whats your problem? Are you some sort of Islamaphobe?

I have stated my problem very clearly: my problem is with your assertion that Iranian culture is somehow reducible to Islamic culture. It is not. It definitely is not. That seems pretty clear to me.
Yes, I am sort of an Islamophobe and a Persianophile, I guess, if that makes sense. I do not like Islam (just like I do not like most religions, really, but maybe with a little extra), but I do like Persian culture.
Also, saffron rice is very nice, but when you spend three weeks in Iran as a vegetarian, and this means saffron rice at almost every goddamn meals of every day, it gets old quick. Especially when it comes with some cake for desert made of saffron and rice, with a saffron ice-cream after it .

For reference, we still brought back some polo-paz with us, and regularly uses it, you know. So, yeah, I know about saffron rice .

 Frazzled wrote:
So your argument is that Iran is a not a majority Islamic country?

My argument is that reducing a whole people to just their religion is stupid and wrong. Just wrong, man.

As the poster did not define "Islamic Culture" I used locations where Islam has historically been strong, then noted saffron rice is excellent (I like Persian food quite a bit). Everything else is on you.

EDIT: I don't know what doner kabob is, but shishkabob is freaking awesome. Mmmm...culture!

The very concept of Islamic culture is wrong. It makes no more sense than talking about Christian culture, as if a baptist from central US has much in common culturally with a Catholic from China, a Coptic from Ethiopia or an Orthodox Christian from Sibiria.

Culture kind of relates to where you live and what influences are in that area.

 Frazzled wrote:
As the poster did not define "Islamic Culture" I used locations where Islam has historically been strong, then noted saffron rice is excellent (I like Persian food quite a bit).

Well, then the poster was wrong and you were wrong to answer this way too. Or something like that.

 Steve steveson wrote:
The very concept of Islamic culture is wrong. It makes no more sense than talking about Christian culture, as if a baptist from central US has much in common culturally with a Catholic from China, a Coptic from Ethiopia or an Orthodox Christian from Sibiria.

Agreed. A religion can be part of your culture, but it doesn't have too much in that culture on a standalone basis.


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
As the poster did not define "Islamic Culture" I used locations where Islam has historically been strong, then noted saffron rice is excellent (I like Persian food quite a bit).

Well, then the poster was wrong and you were wrong to answer this way too. Or something like that.

A Frazzled, like AMERICA can never be wrong. The rest of the world, just hasn't caught up yet to our correct statement. America HURR!

Well, I am going to catch up on you.

Hah ha! Good one HS!