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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/17 08:14:48
Subject: Re:How "honorable" is Khorne?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The reason is given in the original Realms of Chaos, which is quoted below:
Legions of Khorne
Excellence in battle is the highest form of worship for all of Khorne's followers. To fight in one of his Daemonic Legions is an honour to which all his servants aspire. Those rewarded by this privilege treat the occasion with the utmost gravity. Death is a serious business, and death in a Legion doubly so, for are not the eyes of Khorne always upon his most trusted servants? That Slaaneshi followers should treat warfare, the most sincere form of Khorne-worship, as just another pleasurable experience is infuriating. Battle in all its forms is a sacred ritual to Khorne's servants. Before each battle a ritual dedicates the blood fo the slain, enemies and friends alike, to the Blood God
A Daemon Legion of Khorne is a fearsome and terrible sight. Its troops are dressed quite literally, to kill, adorned in Khorne's hues of red and black, the colours of blood and death. Their appearance is strictly that of soldiers, for only if they are unencumbered by frippery can they kill properly in Khorne's name. His Legionnaires carry this to extremes, with almost identical armour of red, black, and brass. Their expressions of deadly and murderous intent are broken only when they kill, as they smile grimly at sending another gift of blood to their dark lord.
-p. 182, Realms of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness
Legions of Slaanesh
Slaanesh and his servants indulge in war: it is yet another pleasure to be sampled, not a serious business or test of strength. War is simply a game, part of the greater ritual, and Slaanesh is always the first to insist upon elaborate conditions and rituals before the Legions give battle.
The followers of Slaanesh seek gratification of the senses in all things. Battle is merely another method of finding a new warped pleasure. For Slaanesh's servants the thrills of battle are there to be joyfully experienced and repeated. Slaaneshi Daemons and mortal warriors delight in causing pain and killing; their wanton slaughter is spurred to greater heights by the pleasure they find in bloodshed.
The Slaaneshi attitude to battle and death is reflected in the Legion's appearance. Its troops parade in frivolous colours and clashing patterns, fantastic jewels and flamboyant costumes. The whole impression is that of a costume ball or masque rather than one of battle. The demeanour of a Slaaneshi Legion is equally perverse. Its Daemons and warriors shriek obscene jokes to each other, disport themselves with the dead and laugh with pleasure even as their own lives are taken. Any sensation, is after all, to be experienced and enjoyed. To express horror is a dreadful failing, one that is sure to be punished by the Lord of Pleasure.
-p. 185, Realms of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/17 16:46:19
Subject: How "honorable" is Khorne?
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Blood Angel Terminator with Lightning Claws
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Psienesis wrote:Khorne is the god of warfare, carnage, bloodshed and slaughter. What traits his followers may or may not exhibit is beyond his caring. So long as people kill and die in his name, Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows.
All who shed the blood of their fellow sentients have a place in the service of Khorne, from soldiers and warriors to wanton butchers to brilliant military leaders to raving psychopathic killers. Khorne cares not.
This has been stated several times. We don't need you to remind us over and over again. Khorne = bloodshed and slaughter. We have established this, now the question and answer of Khorne's honor has already been established. He stopped being honorable in the more recent editions, but in the older editions he was more about honor and martial pride than he is now.
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To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
Tactical_Spam wrote:There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
We must all join the Kroot-startes... |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/17 18:16:17
Subject: How "honorable" is Khorne?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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dusara217 wrote: Psienesis wrote:Khorne is the god of warfare, carnage, bloodshed and slaughter. What traits his followers may or may not exhibit is beyond his caring. So long as people kill and die in his name, Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows.
All who shed the blood of their fellow sentients have a place in the service of Khorne, from soldiers and warriors to wanton butchers to brilliant military leaders to raving psychopathic killers. Khorne cares not.
This has been stated several times. We don't need you to remind us over and over again. Khorne = bloodshed and slaughter. We have established this, now the question and answer of Khorne's honor has already been established. He stopped being honorable in the more recent editions, but in the older editions he was more about honor and martial pride than he is now.
Welcome to a week-old post in a thread that went on for a week after I made it?
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It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/17 18:26:07
Subject: How "honorable" is Khorne?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Iracundus wrote:Death is a serious business... That Slaaneshi followers should treat warfare, the most sincere form of Khorne-worship, as just another pleasurable experience is infuriating.
Exactly, or, to put it another way...
Ailaros wrote:And that's why the two hate each other. Khorne is the author carefully editing his novel before the fiction contest while slaanesh is the teenager with his boom car blasting rap music outside his window. Khorne opens the window and yells at him to shut off that noise, get a job, and find some kind of purpose in life while slaanesh turns up the volume and tells khorne to lighten up and live a little.
The serious pursuit of excellence vs. vapid indulgence.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/17 20:43:09
Subject: How "honorable" is Khorne?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Khorne warriors don't pursue excellence, however. They pursue death and murder.
The author analogy is somewhat incomplete because the author possibly selfishly cares about his own book for the sake of his own pride, or because he wants to be famous, or because he wants to be loved by adoring fans of his work. That's a Slaanesh attribute. (in truth, if anything, Slaanesh is practically two different gods. One that only cares about vapid pleasure, and one that cares about pride, self-improvement, and perfection. The latter is possibly two different things in itself but they at least lead into each other. It's also sadly ignored by most fluff, but it's still there)
If, however, the author is instead not focused on the greatness of his book, but instead on the RESULTS that his book will bring (such as say, inspiring the world to feats of achievement), the analogy fits (it's still not meant to be taken literally though. The "result" that Khorne cares about is killing and death)
You'll never see a Khornate warband themed around doing things for the sake of their own greatness or trying to achieve greatness for themSELVES. True Khorne warriors are selfless and selflessly working towards a greater purpose (death and killing), and thus aren't supposed to care about great they themselves are as long as they're spilling blood in Khorne's name. You'll never see a Khorne champion saying "I'm the greatest! I'm the best!", but you'll see (some) Slaanesh followers doing that.
Example:
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Flawless_Host,_The
"Their overweening pride and wilful delusion caused them to attack, in a frenzy of indignation, any who questioned their magnificence."
"Eleaxus cares for nothing more than his own glorification and the furtherance of his desire to sit at the right hand of Slaanesh"
(Khorne champions don't care about their OWN glory. They only care about KHORNE'S glory)
So if that writer is writing that book for the purpose of his own glory, he's Slaanesh. if he's writing for the sake of a greater self-less purpose, he's khornate. ....analogically speaking, of course (since actual khorne followers are all about the killing as their self-less purpose)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/17 20:50:12
Subject: How "honorable" is Khorne?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Right, that's how I intended it.
And saying that khrone doesn't care about excellence and being the best, it only cares for death and murder would be like saying slaanesh doesn't care about experiencing things, it only cares about drugs and loud music.
Winning in mortal combat is just another way of winning, of proving that one's the best (or, as you say, your fighting style is the most utile).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/17 20:51:59
Subject: Re:How "honorable" is Khorne?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The Chaos Gods have been the bane of honor since they were born. They should be cast down. Long live the God-Emperor! Khorne is a bloodthirsty little worm.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/17 23:05:52
Subject: How "honorable" is Khorne?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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Winning in mortal combat is just another way of winning, of proving that one's the best (or, as you say, your fighting style is the most utile).
Dying is just as good to Khorne. He doesn't care if you win.
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It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/22 14:49:14
Subject: How "honorable" is Khorne?
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Gavin Thorpe
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I think Khorne prefers you fight another warrior rather than some weakling.
The weakling does not experience any battle rage, only fear, and is an affront to Khorne, the god of pure rage.
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