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Obviously, tankbustas can now take trukks as dedicated transports, which has increased their effectiveness dramatically.

In a previous thread, you guys persuaded me that a looted wagon with a killcannon wasn't a worthwhile investment. However, it seems to me that a looted wagon with three rokkit launchas is potentially a great option for transporting tankbustas if you have a heavy support slot going spare. Reasons:

1) You don't need the extra speed that a trukk offers as you will not be going flat out anyway.
2) The armour is boltgun proof.
3) At 57 points (assuming you take the obligatory reinforced ram), it's still pretty cheap.

Thoughts?

Seems pretty good. 22 points more than a Trukk for +2 rokkits and +1 AV. Unfortunately, still Don't press dat.

Might have been worth it, but open-topped doesn't make it a great bunker. And the Ard Case makes it expensive.

Don't press dat is the main problem. If not that, it'd be a prime transport for smaller tankbusta squads.

I would have thought being open topped (like all Ork vehicles) would be considered a plus, as they could all fire out (as opposed to just a few if there was an 'ard case) and/or assault vehicles with their tankbusta bombs. Plus trukks are even more flimsy.

The trukk isn't going to die to bolt guns that often either, AV11 is not something you can rely on, just ask any space marine player.

AV11 is the kind or armor that's easily torn to shreds by high rate of fire weapons on all kinds of vehicles, so while you might be safe from basic infantry guns, anything else is still going to take that transport away, especially if it's shooting three rokkits at your opponent's valuable stuff.

In low point games (about up to 1250), big guns are rare enough for the looted wagon to have an ok survivability. In higher point games you should upgrade into a battlewagon though. Tankbustas are a premium target for your opponent, they need premium protection.

Fast + Ramshackle - av10 > av11 - Don't Press Dat

 koooaei wrote:
Fast + Ramshackle - av10 > av11 - Don't Press Dat

Is the "fast" rule really that useful for tankbustas?

Jidmah wrote:In low point games (about up to 1250), big guns are rare enough for the looted wagon to have an ok survivability. In higher point games you should upgrade into a battlewagon though. Tankbustas are a premium target for your opponent, they need premium protection.

Hmm. The thing is, I already have two battlewagons, and frankly I fancied a bit more miniature variety (albeit without COMPLETELY screwing my competitiveness).

 Krusha wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
Fast + Ramshackle - av10 > av11 - Don't Press Dat

Is the "fast" rule really that useful for tankbustas?

It is handy when you want them to 'go kill that big stuff asap'. For example, there's no use shooting an imperial knight. Yep, you might down 1 hp if you're lucky with your 7 tankbustas in a truck. But than you're open for a return fire.

Fast is not deciding - it's a perk. It's actually the 'don't press dat' that outweights all the good av11 can provide.

That's kind of difficult, considering how the strength of battlewagons increases with the number of battlewagons. I guess you could fit a looted wagon in after adding the third wagon, but it doesn't provide with much over a trukk while costing more points and a slot.

Maybe use looted vehicles as battlewagons?

Personally as a modeller,
i'd loot a vehicle, make it a BW, or have it magnetised to be modular in some sense. So you can run it as a looted wagon -- then add a magnetising roof/'ard case for when its a wagon. As the only real difference I find is that a BW seems long and thin and a trukk/looted wagon does not. So a magnetic roof and a magnetic sort of big front ram/bit. As you only need it so that compared to your othr BWs it doesn't look like your modelling for advantage.

You could then run the BW with a 10 man tankbusta squad and the rokkits on the Bwagon. Or in lower points games maybe try it as a looted wagon?

OK, so in order of preference: battlewagon > trukk > looted wagon?

Battlewagons and trucks have different uses. For example, your manz missile is better off in a truck. While choppaboyz are both good in wagonz and trucks. With shootaboyz prefering battlewagonz. Max tankbusta squads deninitely need a wagon, but there are uses of 5-7 bustas in a truck.

It's like this: Battlewagon or Truck as transport. If you want a killkannon - looted wagon.

So in a small tankbusta squad in a trukk, would you guys still go for the nob with power klaw?

 Krusha wrote:
So in a small tankbusta squad in a trukk, would you guys still go for the nob with power klaw?

No. A PK isn't especially useful for attacking vehicles, compared to the other anti-vehicle stuff tankbustas come with, and this squad should be staying out of close combat with non-vehicles. So a PK seems like a lot of points for little benefit.

 Krusha wrote:
So in a small tankbusta squad in a trukk, would you guys still go for the nob with power klaw?

The easy answer is that a tankbusta nob can't have a PK, because he doesn't have a close combat weapon to trade away. You could give him a tank-hammer and trade that for a PK, but that's kind of a waste of points.


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 koooaei wrote:
Battlewagons and trucks have different uses. For example, your manz missile is better off in a truck. While choppaboyz are both good in wagonz and trucks. With shootaboyz prefering battlewagonz. Max tankbusta squads deninitely need a wagon, but there are uses of 5-7 bustas in a truck.

It's like this: Battlewagon or Truck as transport. If you want a killkannon - looted wagon.

This.

Basically the more you care about whether a unit dies, the more the pendulum swings towards battlewagons.

Cheers for the tips, guys.

Sorry for the thread necro, but just in case anyone still cares, I have opted to compromise by converting a land raider crusader into a third battlewagon.