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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/11 18:06:12
Subject: what did the Emperor think about the dark age of technology
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m15-m25...
he hasn't revealed himself yet at this time......but he is obviously observing it
what do you think is going through his mind during the DAOT......does he see it as a good thing or dangerous
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/13 05:06:15
Subject: what did the Emperor think about the dark age of technology
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He probably did some traveling. Maybe even participated in some low level military ventures with all the DAOT hardware.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/13 05:34:38
Subject: Re:what did the Emperor think about the dark age of technology
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It depends on which idea of the Emperor you hold to.
In the original conception pre-Horus Heresy novels era, it seems the Emperor was willing to use the ideas of religion and spirituality for his own ends, such as his assumption of the mantle of the Omnissiah, his blessing of Titans, etc... The view of the Imperium of the DAOT is that it was an era of technological wonder but spiritual darkness, and that is their view of why it fell. By this paradigm, the Emperor probably viewed it the same way as he certainly did not put down religious or pseudo-religious aspects of his budding Imperium during the Great Crusade. He chastised the Word Bearers for being slow, not specifically for being religious.
In the Horus Heresy novels, the Emperor has been written as a militant atheist pushing his Imperial Truth doctrine (which is technically false since it denies the existence of entities like warp gods), and explicitly condemning religious practices (though his curious refusal to do so from the beginning for the Word Bearers is still one of those retcon oddities GW has not fully reconciled). In such a view, the Emperor would have probably approved of the DAOT, though perhaps he might still have viewed some of the DAOT's advances as things "Man was not meant to know" (himself excepted), since it seems even in this newer version of the Emperor there are things he has sealed away never to be opened or learned about.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/13 06:11:00
Subject: Re:what did the Emperor think about the dark age of technology
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Iracundus wrote:It depends on which idea of the Emperor you hold to.
In the original conception pre-Horus Heresy novels era, it seems the Emperor was willing to use the ideas of religion and spirituality for his own ends, such as his assumption of the mantle of the Omnissiah, his blessing of Titans, etc... The view of the Imperium of the DAOT is that it was an era of technological wonder but spiritual darkness, and that is their view of why it fell. By this paradigm, the Emperor probably viewed it the same way as he certainly did not put down religious or pseudo-religious aspects of his budding Imperium during the Great Crusade. He chastised the Word Bearers for being slow, not specifically for being religious.
In the Horus Heresy novels, the Emperor has been written as a militant atheist pushing his Imperial Truth doctrine (which is technically false since it denies the existence of entities like warp gods), and explicitly condemning religious practices (though his curious refusal to do so from the beginning for the Word Bearers is still one of those retcon oddities GW has not fully reconciled). In such a view, the Emperor would have probably approved of the DAOT, though perhaps he might still have viewed some of the DAOT's advances as things "Man was not meant to know" (himself excepted), since it seems even in this newer version of the Emperor there are things he has sealed away never to be opened or learned about.
you're assuming these are differnt depictions, and not depictions of the same individual at differant times.
The story, if you pay attention to the HH series, is that the Emperor has been trying to insulate humanity from chaos for Milennia, his chosen method had been to create religons to fight and protect humanity from chaos. the problem is religions would often be hijacked and perverted, causing them instead to feed chaos, so come the great crusade the emperor decides the "create a religon" trick isn't working. it's actually HELPING chaos. so he decides to try another approuch
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/13 06:27:24
Subject: Re:what did the Emperor think about the dark age of technology
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BrianDavion wrote:Iracundus wrote:It depends on which idea of the Emperor you hold to.
In the original conception pre-Horus Heresy novels era, it seems the Emperor was willing to use the ideas of religion and spirituality for his own ends, such as his assumption of the mantle of the Omnissiah, his blessing of Titans, etc... The view of the Imperium of the DAOT is that it was an era of technological wonder but spiritual darkness, and that is their view of why it fell. By this paradigm, the Emperor probably viewed it the same way as he certainly did not put down religious or pseudo-religious aspects of his budding Imperium during the Great Crusade. He chastised the Word Bearers for being slow, not specifically for being religious.
In the Horus Heresy novels, the Emperor has been written as a militant atheist pushing his Imperial Truth doctrine (which is technically false since it denies the existence of entities like warp gods), and explicitly condemning religious practices (though his curious refusal to do so from the beginning for the Word Bearers is still one of those retcon oddities GW has not fully reconciled). In such a view, the Emperor would have probably approved of the DAOT, though perhaps he might still have viewed some of the DAOT's advances as things "Man was not meant to know" (himself excepted), since it seems even in this newer version of the Emperor there are things he has sealed away never to be opened or learned about.
you're assuming these are differnt depictions, and not depictions of the same individual at differant times.
The story, if you pay attention to the HH series, is that the Emperor has been trying to insulate humanity from chaos for Milennia, his chosen method had been to create religons to fight and protect humanity from chaos. the problem is religions would often be hijacked and perverted, causing them instead to feed chaos, so come the great crusade the emperor decides the "create a religon" trick isn't working. it's actually HELPING chaos. so he decides to try another approuch
I am speaking of the RL retcon GW has done to the Emperor with the HH series as compared to previous. The Emperor as previously depicted had no apparent problems with religious elements within his Imperium or with being depicted as the savior during the Great Crusade. In old White Dwarf articles there were references to ancient banners that the Emperor had once touched and blessed. He may not have actively promoted himself as a god to be worshipped, but he certainly did not seem to make any special effort to refuse it. That is quite at odds with his stance since the HH series was first introduced. GW did a big retcon of the Emperor and the Great Crusade. The exact why is speculative but I would think it was so that 30K could stand in contrast as an age of apparent rational enlightenment as opposed to the "modern" 40K era of ignorance.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/13 17:58:49
Subject: what did the Emperor think about the dark age of technology
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Sneaky Sniper Drone
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I don't think any of that is a retcon.
Like many supreme political leaders, he cultivated a cult of personality around himself in order to promote loyalty to his cause. His "blessing" things doesn't necessarily have supernatural connetations.
Of course, that sort of thing is one step away from religion if it isn't indistinguishable in terms of human behaviour, so it's unsurprising that some proclaimed him a living god.
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Search & Destroy:
Inquisitor Ferenz Talan and his acolytes follow Colonel Mieza and the 16th Berdam Armoured back to their home system, in the hopes of rallying troops for a crusade against the Tau for their defeat on Falasten. However, upon arrival, they find that others have their eyes on the system.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/13 18:16:08
Subject: what did the Emperor think about the dark age of technology
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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It's a significant ret-con. The Imperial Truth is an entirely new fabrication to posit the GC as the Age of Reformation vs the Dark Ages... and the Emperor as an Arch-Antitheist (not atheist, but antitheist, there is a vast difference) but, previously, the Emperor was depicted as nothing of the sort.
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