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as i said earlier, i consider boxes like the Vanguard, Sternguard, Space Wolves, Grey Knight PA, and Death company to be a treasure trove of bits that i can use to spruce up all of the regular Marines with...

And don't give you enough combi weapon, heavy weapons or specials weapons to make 1 unit. Who cares about cosmetic stuff , if to buy one squad you have to buy two boxs.


How does one get more set of legs then torsos

Makumba wrote:

as i said earlier, i consider boxes like the Vanguard, Sternguard, Space Wolves, Grey Knight PA, and Death company to be a treasure trove of bits that i can use to spruce up all of the regular Marines with...

And don't give you enough combi weapon, heavy weapons or specials weapons to make 1 unit. Who cares about cosmetic stuff , if to buy one squad you have to buy two boxs.


How does one get more set of legs then torsos

Now, there's one I'll second. I hate when there aren't enough plasma weapons, or whatever. Mostly, it happens with the specials, and then you have to get creative

Or, if you're lucky, there's an upgrade pack; if not, and you can't make a modification, you can always break down and recast one of the pieces... or at least, recast the weapon, and work that into a compatible arm.

It happens a lot. Like Devastators, you get 2 of most weapons and 1 of a couple. Do people even run mixed weapon Devastators squads? At least give enough guns to outfit every model. Same with DE Scourges, and pretty much every equivalent kit. That's what I think we mean with the sprue being wasted on cosmetics (it's what I mean at least). By all means, chuck some purity seals in there, but AFTER you've put in every option you might need.


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Or, if you're lucky, there's an upgrade pack; if not, and you can't make a modification, you can always break down and recast one of the pieces... or at least, recast the weapon, and work that into a compatible arm.

Really though you shouldn't have to do that. You're already paying a premium, part of which is justified because of 'all these extra pieces!' But they don't give you all ththe pieces you need!

Makumba wrote:

as i said earlier, i consider boxes like the Vanguard, Sternguard, Space Wolves, Grey Knight PA, and Death company to be a treasure trove of bits that i can use to spruce up all of the regular Marines with...

And don't give you enough combi weapon, heavy weapons or specials weapons to make 1 unit. Who cares about cosmetic stuff , if to buy one squad you have to buy two boxs.


How does one get more set of legs then torsos

obviously, i care about the cosmetic stuff, or i wouldn't be participating in this debate...
i am a painter, not a gamer...
i am the guy GW is making the extras for, so you can blame me for the bling on the sprues...

i should make it clear that i always buy from the discounters...
i am not walking into a GW store on release day, or pre-ordering these kits at full retail...
i may be crazy, buying full kits just to make one or two awesome models, but i'm not stupid...

also, i never said i had more legs than torsos...
i said i have plenty of legs, and that i like alternate torsos...
a few of the ones from the Death Company box, and the Black Templars upgrade sprue are too awesome to pass up...

cheers
jah

Makumba wrote:

as i said earlier, i consider boxes like the Vanguard, Sternguard, Space Wolves, Grey Knight PA, and Death company to be a treasure trove of bits that i can use to spruce up all of the regular Marines with...

And don't give you enough combi weapon, heavy weapons or specials weapons to make 1 unit. Who cares about cosmetic stuff , if to buy one squad you have to buy two boxs.


How does one get more set of legs then torsos

I was thinking of the fantasy line when i wrote that, high elf shadow somethings / sisters of something dual kit. Only i think its enough legs and double torsos, but still you get the point. I guess a good example for 40k would be necron deathmarks / immortals. You build one variant from the kit, and the rest are just parts that can't be glued onto other parts - worse than cosmetic bits, really.

Makumba wrote:

How does one get more set of legs then torsos

Play Tau

Realy? They put additional legs sets in to any of the usable unit sets. Who would have known. There were few people playing here in 6th.People couldnt get their hands on enough riptides. And 7th kind of killed them as an army with their battle brother deficiency.

. You build one variant from the kit, and the rest are just parts that can't be glued onto other parts - worse than cosmetic bits, really.

yeah but you won't have legs to build them or bases. You would have to either buy extra sets of both, or buy the bases AND do recasts of legs.

Fire warriors have 5 legs on a spur of 4 bodies.

Anyway So what in the world are we discussing again?

GW being the uk child of Satan and w40k having a price entry range closer to golf, then other table top systems.

 Desubot wrote:
Fire warriors have 5 legs on a spur of 4 bodies.

Anyway So what in the world are we discussing again?

In essence, the OPs original post was "we complain that GW's are expensive, but other things cost money too."

jah-joshua wrote:
i should make it clear that i always buy from the discounters...
i am not walking into a GW store on release day, or pre-ordering these kits at full retail...
i may be crazy, buying full kits just to make one or two awesome models, but i'm not stupid...

also, i never said i had more legs than torsos...
i said i have plenty of legs, and that i like alternate torsos...

The price difference his huge. I get between 15%-20% off at one FLGS, and 20%-25% off at another one. I have no idea why anyone buys at the GW shop, especially since the GW store has nothing that's NOT made by GW, and there are so many hobby tools, paints, and so forth that GW just doesn't make. However, a GW store is the only place I have ever seen the new GW knife out of the box (and boy, is it a piece of crap )

Almost every sprue gives you exact number of legs you need, and more options for everything else (arms/weapons, torso fronts especially, and heads). However, many lower torsos for multiunit squads are very easy to recast And, usually, the back upper torso is a simple piece as well.

ImAGeek wrote:It happens a lot. Like Devastators, you get 2 of most weapons and 1 of a couple. Do people even run mixed weapon Devastators squads? At least give enough guns to outfit every model. Same with DE Scourges, and pretty much every equivalent kit. That's what I think we mean with the sprue being wasted on cosmetics (it's what I mean at least). By all means, chuck some purity seals in there, but AFTER you've put in every option you might need.


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Talys wrote:

Or, if you're lucky, there's an upgrade pack; if not, and you can't make a modification, you can always break down and recast one of the pieces... or at least, recast the weapon, and work that into a compatible arm.

Really though you shouldn't have to do that. You're already paying a premium, part of which is justified because of 'all these extra pieces!' But they don't give you all ththe pieces you need!

You are right -- devastator squads are terrible for this. They should at least give allow a full squad with the most popular weapon choices. Usually the upgrade pack gives you a whole bunch of very cool bits, but the price is silly for, well, extra bits.

Makumba wrote:GW being the uk child of Satan and w40k having a price entry range closer to golf, then other table top systems.

I wish Satan would have another child, so that they could get into competition, make better models, and charge us less! World domination is fine, but better and cheaper 40k models first.

Frankly, if you want to really get into 40k, I think you have to spend more than you would on golf clothing and a set of great golf clubs and accessories suitable for an amateur. On the plus side, FLGS are free, while green fees are not. And, my FLGS gives me free membership, discounts, and unlimited play privileges, whereas most of my golf courses with membership want thousands.. or tens of thousands... every year. Plus the FLGS pro is more fun to talk to than the golf pro

I have no idea why anyone buys at the GW shop,

Well imagine GW makes all the B&M retailers sign an agreement that they won't undercut the GW prices by more then 5% or GW will stop selling them stuff. Imagine a lot of B&M stores going down or droping the support for GW stuff, because they can't get their hands on models people realy want to buy day 1. Suddenly the only GW store in your country is the only place where you can buy all the GW stuff and only other option is to wait till your 21-22 get a full paid job a bank account and buy online. For people under 18 the prospect of waiting for 4-5 years to buy those 3 WK they need for their army is bad enough to make them pay full price.