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That's a nice example. Something like that likely would show off the mini better. Unfortunately, they're pressed for time (and already almost two months late) and we don't know how much of that extra effort is in the budget. And, yes, I did see that the link you made was done by a student in an intro to 3d modelling class but since they're outsourcing it the old joke about plumbers and photocopier technicians apply ($100 bill: $1 parts for screw needed, $99 labor for knowing which screw). I would hope that the contract with the modeller included clauses for waves of revisions included in the price and (with hindsight) putting up 3d models that you can manipulate. Even just uploading the file to shapeways gives you a B&W 360 view of the model automatically so it can't be that hard.

hopefully they're not rushing it for budget reasons. I'd rather get my stuff late and have it right, than on time and gakky.

Than again, I'm a rational adult who can understand over-runs (though even I have my limits). Just as long as they actually TELL us that they're going to be late and why. Keeping me in the dark makes me angry.

When are these plastic abominations expected to see release now? Caprice was going to get some plastic kits, right? I ask for
... reasons.

 Mmmpi wrote:
hopefully they're not rushing it for budget reasons. I'd rather get my stuff late and have it right, than on time and gakky.

Than again, I'm a rational adult who can understand over-runs (though even I have my limits). Just as long as they actually TELL us that they're going to be late and why. Keeping me in the dark makes me angry.

Palladium style danger lies in thinking that way. Delays =/= quality. You can be both late and crappy... see the robotech sprue layouts (although the final minis are decent, not great but not horrible like the sprues).


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 Barzam wrote:
When are these plastic abominations expected to see release now? Caprice was going to get some plastic kits, right? I ask for
... reasons.

Supposedly November... but they're running about 2 months late at the current step compared with what they quoted. All in all that isn't bad but I can't comment on whether or not the initial Nov 2015 date has enough of a buffer to absorb that or if we're in 2016 realistically at this point. Maybe after all the designs are finalized, Dave will comment on the KS or here in the thread (or over on brandon's FB page, the dp9 forum, etc).

 Barzam wrote:
When are these plastic abominations expected to see release now? Caprice was going to get some plastic kits, right? I ask for
... reasons.

Caprice is in the starter box. The Caprice mount previews: http://dp9forum.com/index.php?showtopic=17037

I think the only mount that isn't getting done in plastic at this point is the Hammath (the six legged APCs), but I expect people posting how they build Hammaths out of Accos and spare parts if they're cheap enough.

Quick update for everyone. This is a comparison shot with the old Cheetah render versus the new Cheetah renders from the Kickstarter update.

Looks alot better and more historically accurate IMO. The two criteria are not necessarily the same thing always but are in this case for me.

Very much agreed warboss. I believe I just heard a sigh go out over Facebook and the DP9 forums.

Are the pack guns and bazookas two pieces? That's some robotech tiny parts splitting if so. Never noticed that before.

I'll ask.


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Okay, answer: "The center line is just to indicate where the mold will split. The weapons will be one piece."

 warboss wrote:
Looks alot better and more historically accurate IMO. The two criteria are not necessarily the same thing always but are in this case for me.

That's very much a step in the right direction, certainly. It does look much better, and above all.... it does look much less "wrong".

Unfortunately, the running pose shows the same lack of poseability every other one has so far due to the way the hips have been designed.


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BrandonKF wrote:
I'll ask.


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Okay, answer: "The center line is just to indicate where the mold will split. The weapons will be one piece."

That's certainly heartening... am I to assume that's the case for every other one? Hopefully yes.

Got your answer Al?

BrandonKF wrote:
I'll ask.


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Okay, answer: "The center line is just to indicate where the mold will split. The weapons will be one piece."

Cool, thanks for getting the answer. The idea of a multipiece pack gun was both possible after robotech so the line over all the weapons worried. me

I suppose it vindicates the decision to avoid China.

More likely it vindicates not using the one exact same factory in China that palladium does. There are plenty of nicely designed kits from there.

Sure, but as I understand it what tripped up Palladium books was the logistics of the whole business. Keeping production on continent/language/etc seems like it simplifies a whole bunch of things, like using feedback.

Nomeny wrote:
Sure, but as I understand it what tripped up Palladium books was the logistics of the whole business. Keeping production on continent/language/etc seems like it simplifies a whole bunch of things, like using feedback.

The massive Mt. Everest pile of hubris that Palladium displays at every turn probably didn't help either. When you're completely clueless, humility and a willingness to learn and adapt generally help you alot more than expecting the world to bend to your whims because Siembieda.

Was that really necessary?

Nomeny wrote:
Was that really necessary?

Yes.

Okay. Certain things like the dockworkers' strike don't seem to be the result of anything the RTT producers could control except by making things on the same continent and avoiding all the hassles of shipping to distribution.

Nomeny wrote:
Okay. Certain things like the dockworkers' strike don't seem to be the result of anything the RTT producers could control except by making things on the same continent and avoiding all the hassles of shipping to distribution.

The dock strike accounts for a few WEEKS of the 2 YEARS worth of delays if everything goes perfect from now until Dec 2015. The only reason we knew about it wad it was both public anyways and an easy scapegoat that Palladium didn't have control over. The rest of the 95% of the delays (100+ weeks) are of other etiology. Palladium has already admitted waaaaay after the fact that they were wrong and clueless despite their MULTIYEAR assertions to the contrary; I'm not sure why you're having a hard time accepting that. My goal and hope for THIS kickstarter is to prevent Dp9 from doing the same as they both trained under palladium and have shown the willingness to follow their mistakes. While not entirely consistent nor completely of their own volition, the kickstarter so far has shown definite improvement over both what dp9 was doing wrong in the past themselves and what palladium continues to do wrong.

Don't get me wrong.... I agree that making it in the US might be advantageous in the end for the reasons you listed but we have yet to see the final results or if the disadvantages (namely cost) outweigh them. It might be that the initial output is in NA to build up the rollout stock and then switches to China for the long term. We don't know and dp9 has no reason to share that in any case. If they ever do, we'll likely just see a change in he "made in..." box text as the only indication. As long as the final product is good (quality, timeliness, price, rules support), those decisions don't concern me.

 HudsonD wrote:

Nomeny wrote:
Was that really necessary?

Yes.

Indeed. Tell me again, when, exactly, did the dockworkers' strike end? And when, exactly, did you get your Wave 1 stuff, Hudson?

I'm pretty sure that given the dates, it's all the dockworkers' strike's fault. Completely and absolutely.

And the sprues being crap is all their fault, too, for good measure.

warboss: I agree, those decisions don't concern us except where they impact the products we're hoping to see for supporting the kickstarter, and then the ongoing development and support of the game.

I must admit, I do regret raising the spectre of RTT in this thread now.

 Albertorius wrote:

 HudsonD wrote:

Nomeny wrote:
Was that really necessary?

Yes.

Indeed. Tell me again, when, exactly, did the dockworkers' strike end? And when, exactly, did you get your Wave 1 stuff, Hudson?

Yesterday.

Now, to be fair, I was away on vacation, and from what my folks told me the box actually arrived a couple of weeks ago. 8 months and a half since they started shipping.

 HudsonD wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 HudsonD wrote:

Nomeny wrote:
Was that really necessary?

Yes.

Indeed. Tell me again, when, exactly, did the dockworkers' strike end? And when, exactly, did you get your Wave 1 stuff, Hudson?

Yesterday.

Now, to be fair, I was away on vacation, and from what my folks told me the box actually arrived a couple of weeks ago. 8 months and a half since they started shipping.

Congrats!... I think. So you're back home? I noticed your flag change with most every post, lol. Did you see the minis first hand in NA or is this your first impression?


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Nomeny wrote:


I must admit, I do regret raising the spectre of RTT in this thread now.

It's generally wise not to anywhere. :(

The RRT minis ? They're in a big box here, at home. To say I've had them in hand would be a little excessive. I've had sprues in hand, yeah.

BrandonKF wrote:
Quick update for everyone. This is a comparison shot with the old Cheetah render versus the new Cheetah renders from the Kickstarter update.

That's certainly an improvement. The impression of mass has been returned, without making the Cheetah look like a 'bruiser'. I like the bevel on the calves as well - they really look to have gotten that right on this model. That said, the neck collar is a bit thin - will that detail even show? And I wonder if the RFB model is indicative of a Strike cheetah - if so, losing the 'extra' armor plates that indicate the heavier armor is a bit irritating, but nothing you couldn't model.

At least this model I believe would compare favorably side by side, with detail loss on the plastics hopefully being offset by a lower price.


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Nomeny wrote:
warboss: I agree, those decisions don't concern us except where they impact the products we're hoping to see for supporting the kickstarter

In a discussion thread, those types of decisions certainly seem like fair game to talk about, though. Even if we ultimately have no say in them

Shame they can't just get Bandai Japan to produce the kits. At least we know they'd be good quality then.

The Caprice stuff seems like it should translate pretty well into the plastic. They'll make some good, hopefully cheap Remote stand-ins for Infinity.

IceRaptor: Oh, don't get me wrong here, it is a discussion thread so we should be discussing something. Heck, it seems like some of the constructive criticism provided on this thread will improve the final products of the kickstarter, which is awesome. It means we've both had a say and got to contribute. On the other hand where the criticism isn't constructive, or doesn't contribute, then why bother? Actually, I know why, but somehow or other I still prefer positivity over negativity.

maceria wrote:
On the other hand, and I'm sure this will really bring out the pitchforks, I really like where the Caprice models are going. Shape and feel is great, it's going to come down to detail, and that's very hard to judge from renders.

I'm liking the Caprice stuff, too. Indeed, I pledged the box set plus stretch goals becuase it was cheaper than buying just the Caprice and CEF stuff. I've already got a fair size collection of Norther and Southern gears, so I didn't really need them but I wanted the CEF and Caprice minis.