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Petition now has an article on BOLS.. as you might imagine most of the comments are either saying how stupid the idea is or saying how terribly it would be if the game went back to being competitive because of the same tired reasons (homogeneous choices, no "options") that have been repeatedly proven to be incorrect but people still spout.
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Well, I wasn't terribly interested in this petition, but as of now the thing has...5,588 signatures.
That's a pretty darn significant amount, and the number is growing by the minute.
5,000+ is not an insignificant chunk of GW's market share, especially if you presume that negative feedback from 1 individual is about equal to 3 like-minded individuals. So that's about 16,000 now.
To put this into perspective, here are the total number of backers for the Zombicide Kickstarter campaigns:
Zombicide: 5,257
Zombicide Season 2: 8,944
Zombicide Season 3: 12,008
Kirasu: Have we fallen so far that we are excited that GW is giving us the opportunity to spend 58$ for JUST the rules? Surprised it's not "Dataslate: Assault Phase"
AlexHolker: "The power loader is a forklift. The public doesn't complain about a forklift not having frontal armour protecting the crew compartment because the only enemy it is designed to face is the OHSA violation."
AlexHolker: "Allow me to put it this way: Paramount is Skynet, reboots are termination attempts, and your childhood is John Connor."
weeble1000 wrote: Well, I wasn't terribly interested in this petition, but as of now the thing has...5,588 signatures.
That's a pretty darn significant amount, and the number is growing by the minute.
5,000+ is not an insignificant chunk of GW's market share, especially if you presume that negative feedback from 1 individual is about equal to 3 like-minded individuals. So that's about 16,000 now.
To put this into perspective, here are the total number of backers for the Zombicide Kickstarter campaigns:
Zombicide: 5,257
Zombicide Season 2: 8,944
Zombicide Season 3: 12,008
I made the point in another thread when it was at ~2500 that when you take into account all the obstacles (must be a wargamer, must spend time on forums, must feel that this petition reflects their own opinion, can be arsed to sign it) then the number is pretty significant.
That number has now doubled in less than three days!
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
weeble1000 wrote: Well, I wasn't terribly interested in this petition, but as of now the thing has...5,588 signatures.
That's a pretty darn significant amount, and the number is growing by the minute.
5,000+ is not an insignificant chunk of GW's market share, especially if you presume that negative feedback from 1 individual is about equal to 3 like-minded individuals. So that's about 16,000 now.
To put this into perspective, here are the total number of backers for the Zombicide Kickstarter campaigns:
Zombicide: 5,257
Zombicide Season 2: 8,944
Zombicide Season 3: 12,008
I made the point in another thread when it was at ~2500 that when you take into account all the obstacles (must be a wargamer, must spend time on forums, must feel that this petition reflects their own opinion, can be arsed to sign it) then the number is pretty significant.
That number has now doubled in less than three days!
It's almost like the internet has become somewhat ubiquitous in geeky circles in the 21st century. Who'd have thunk it...?
Games Workshop Delenda Est.
Users on ignore- 53.
If you break apart my or anyone else's posts line by line I will not read them.
It appears to be adding about 100 signatures per hour. If that rate keeps up, it could get to 10K signatures in a few days.
Kirasu: Have we fallen so far that we are excited that GW is giving us the opportunity to spend 58$ for JUST the rules? Surprised it's not "Dataslate: Assault Phase"
AlexHolker: "The power loader is a forklift. The public doesn't complain about a forklift not having frontal armour protecting the crew compartment because the only enemy it is designed to face is the OHSA violation."
AlexHolker: "Allow me to put it this way: Paramount is Skynet, reboots are termination attempts, and your childhood is John Connor."
weeble1000 wrote: It appears to be adding about 100 signatures per hour. If that rate keeps up, it could get to 10K signatures in a few days.
Sad part is even if it was 1 million, I doubt GW could care. They'd either ignore it completely or concoct some story about how it's probably just a bunch of us internet trolls with multiple fake accounts.
weeble1000 wrote: It appears to be adding about 100 signatures per hour. If that rate keeps up, it could get to 10K signatures in a few days.
Sad part is even if it was 1 million, I doubt GW could care. They'd either ignore it completely or concoct some story about how it's probably just a bunch of us internet trolls with multiple fake accounts.
Even at 5,000 signatures, there's enough for a board member or significant investor to weaponize the data. At 10,000 signatures, it could absolutely be used, and probably with decent effect, to attack Tom Kirby.
It would have more impact if it was picked up by mainstream media, like The Guardian or something. This is not outside the realm of possibility. One could make an interesting story about this alongside the most recent annual financial report, Tom Kirby's preamble, and the Chapterhouse Studios appeal.
Anybody want to wrap it all up in a bow for David Barnett?
Kirasu: Have we fallen so far that we are excited that GW is giving us the opportunity to spend 58$ for JUST the rules? Surprised it's not "Dataslate: Assault Phase"
AlexHolker: "The power loader is a forklift. The public doesn't complain about a forklift not having frontal armour protecting the crew compartment because the only enemy it is designed to face is the OHSA violation."
AlexHolker: "Allow me to put it this way: Paramount is Skynet, reboots are termination attempts, and your childhood is John Connor."
I'm not one to over dramatise stuff, unless for sarcasm, as I think it cheapens valid arguments, but we have this survey, the CHS case and a very tenuous tickle of a hint of a rumour that GW may be tracking to post a loss this interim report...
It very much looks like the foundation of sand that the fortress wall is built on is going to topple over and knock Kirby clean out of his Ivory Tower!
weeble1000 wrote: Well, I wasn't terribly interested in this petition, but as of now the thing has...5,588 signatures.
That's a pretty darn significant amount, and the number is growing by the minute.
5,000+ is not an insignificant chunk of GW's market share, especially if you presume that negative feedback from 1 individual is about equal to 3 like-minded individuals. So that's about 16,000 now.
To put this into perspective, here are the total number of backers for the Zombicide Kickstarter campaigns:
Zombicide: 5,257
Zombicide Season 2: 8,944
Zombicide Season 3: 12,008
I made the point in another thread when it was at ~2500 that when you take into account all the obstacles (must be a wargamer, must spend time on forums, must feel that this petition reflects their own opinion, can be arsed to sign it) then the number is pretty significant.
That number has now doubled in less than three days!
It's almost like the internet has become somewhat ubiquitous in geeky circles in the 21st century. Who'd have thunk it...?
But isn't only a tiny insignificant handful of haters supposed to hang out on the Internet?
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
People do complain because we want to play the game, buy the minis and support the company. But we also need to get something back for our investment, even if it is some kind of respect.
I hope someone read it and see that we're not trolls. We're a fan base beating and old drum that cannot continue to be ignored.
GW: Do what other companies do and at least aknowledge that we exist!
Automatically Appended Next Post: 6000 people, who shall we say averagely spend £20 a month? That's not even one box for many releases, that could now mean the people who have signed this could equate to over 10% of GW's annual revenue.
Assuming only £20 on average, my gut says that is very modest.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Think it could have used an edit. Think it would have been better as a mass letter campaign. Will sign nonetheless. Very impressed with numbers so far.
Jimsolo wrote: Think it could have used an edit. Think it would have been better as a mass letter campaign. Will sign nonetheless. Very impressed with numbers so far.
I'll sit and watch this one. It feels futile. January will prove whether we're in an actual trend or not (my money is firmly on "we are") of their spiral down. They have only doubled down on the tired strategy that got them the worst report in years while releasing the highest volume (I believe) of new products to date including Poster Boys + 40k rules.
At this point, we'd have to crowd fund an IndieGoGo campaign to put the majority board through an MBA course, assuming they aren't just riding it out with Kirby to punch as soon as the new fall guy CEO is in place.
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Futile or not, the time it took for you to write this post (which was largely a pointless post) is about the same amount of time it would take to simply sign a petition.
No reason not too. I signed it at 2300 or so signatures thinking it was a waste of time. But its more than doubled since, so maybe its worth adding yours to the growing list.
Futile or not, if you have time to write a post saying you wont sign something for no real reason, you have the time to sign the petition for little reason.
I dont know. Just sign man, its quick and easy. If it fails it would hardly have taken seconds from your life really. If it passes, then yay.
I can't say I buy any GW models but in the 20 years I did I didn't play many of their games, maybe a yearly a yearly 40k (maximum) and the occasional specialist game even less, just saying.
The Division Of Joy wrote: If it hits 10k, then what? Genuine question btw, I've only used change.org to support things that will be dicussed in the commons.
Then... nothing.
Its just an online petition, I highly doubt that GW will even recognise its existence let alone do anything about it.
The Division Of Joy wrote: If it hits 10k, then what? Genuine question btw, I've only used change.org to support things that will be dicussed in the commons.
Then... nothing.
Its just an online petition, I highly doubt that GW will even recognise its existence let alone do anything about it.
Sadly this. It's doubtful they would care, but as before there's always a glimmer of hope that they'll take notice.
The Division Of Joy wrote: If it hits 10k, then what? Genuine question btw, I've only used change.org to support things that will be dicussed in the commons.
Then... nothing.
Its just an online petition, I highly doubt that GW will even recognise its existence let alone do anything about it.
Sadly this. It's doubtful they would care, but as before there's always a glimmer of hope that they'll take notice.
It would be better if investors took notice. It's obvious GW management isn't concerned. Maybe they would be if investors started holding them accountable for their actions.
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The Division Of Joy wrote: If it hits 10k, then what? Genuine question btw, I've only used change.org to support things that will be dicussed in the commons.
I don't know if GW even has e-mail and if they do they're probably like one of those people that get an e-mail, then never check it and forget their password.
After all, the interwebz is a scary place.
Also, check out my history blog: Minimum Wage Historian, a fun place to check out history that often falls between the couch cushions.
The Division Of Joy wrote: If it hits 10k, then what? Genuine question btw, I've only used change.org to support things that will be dicussed in the commons.
Then... nothing.
Its just an online petition, I highly doubt that GW will even recognise its existence let alone do anything about it.
Sadly this. It's doubtful they would care, but as before there's always a glimmer of hope that they'll take notice.
It would be better if investors took notice. It's obvious GW management isn't concerned. Maybe they would be if investors started holding them accountable for their actions.
This.
It needs to be placed in front of parties that have influence, whether that be GW senior management, the managers of the investment funds who hold interests or simply the mainstream media - if it reaches 10k then that number of customers voicing displeasure against such a relatively small company in concert like this becomes a reasonably interesting story, perhaps even outside of the Economics pages.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
You'd think whoever it was that did the article about Kirby's rant and his definition of a 'good year' would be interested in a follow up.
Fafnir wrote: Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
I signed this when it was in the early 200s, and I'm not one for petitions, but with no avenues to communicate with GW, this is worth doing. Democracy and all that.
One thing I find very interesting though, on the subject of vitriolic communication and the community's behavior is the reaction to the Facebook pages for Forgeworld and Digital Editions. Both pages were well run, with speedy responses, good interaction, previews and no small amount of "human touch," the tone of writing and nature of the pages (DE answering FAQs right on there, FW encouraging people to post their projects, hopes and wish lists, etc) created a remarkably positive environment. I genuinely miss both pages. The only negativity I ever saw there were problems with orders and the like, posted by people with no reading comprehension to see "contact this email address regarding orders," but still the person(s) running the page made the effort to respond and resolve issues.
And then the pages vanished overnight, for no reason I could see. Forgeworld, not to be slowed down opened up their blog; nothing heavy, but with weekly mini-previews and some kind of insight into what's going on in their world, and they make an honest effort to show up to all sorts of events, GW and not, design team in tow open to discussing just about anything. And despite a pricing scheme so far into the realm of insanity as to make me blanche every time I open my Death Korps drawer and recall the cost, there is nothing but enthusiasm for FW products and their general ethos.
It's an extremely interesting comparison within the same bloody company, and the biggest difference, to me, is FW not only listens to the community and makes a solid effort, but has a passion for what they do, acting as hobbiests, wargamers and 40k enthusiasts who get to shape a small section of the universe and game how they think it ought to be with an eye for balance, theme and aesthetics which puts GW core to shame, and in return, are able to succeed with obscene pricing, and actually form one of the few growth drivers GW has.
Therefore, I conclude, Valve should announce Half Life 2: Episode 3.
Legion: Dark Angels 
. Let's see if it can hit 10K.
