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 PhillyT wrote:
Again though, there is no question that the Emperor is "alive."

It is just a question of what he is doing or capable of doing.

Actually, that is a very big question in-universe. People believe that he is, but there is no hard evidence to indicate that he is.

As the various followers of Chaos will tell you, he's a corpse on a chair. As the Imperials will tell you, his psychic might is battling the Chaos Gods in the Warp (for those Imperials who know about such things).

But these are just in-universe beliefs and guesses, really. We're not objectively told. Which is basically true for just about anything in the setting, there's no objective viewpoints (other than crunch for the tabletop game, obviously) on anything, it's all lies, half-truths, myths and legends.

Out of universe though WE know a kernel of life remains.

Well out of universe we know its bright as feth in the warp where he would be located

Whether its the chair or him we do not know.

edit: Or the killing of a 1000 psykers maybe.

 Desubot wrote:
Well out of universe we know its bright as feth in the warp where he would be located

Whether its the chair or him we do not know.

edit: Or the killing of a 1000 psykers maybe.

Exactly. We're given hints and circumstantial evidence, but nothing for definite-sure. Lots of implications and hints and vague suggestions, but nothing truly concrete. This is, of course, just how GW works.

woah woah woah. in 2nd edition the emperor was not still alive and roaming around. the emperor was in the golden throne in the Rogue Trader rulebook. the emperor has always been a massively psychic almost-corpse.

 daddyorchips wrote:
woah woah woah. in 2nd edition the emperor was not still alive and roaming around. the emperor was in the golden throne in the Rogue Trader rulebook. the emperor has always been a massively psychic almost-corpse.

2nd Ed quotes the Emperor lighting candles for his fallen Space Marines (may have been specifically for the BT, but I don't recall the details at this point).

Makes me think of the last game of space hulk I played. I flipped a 3 blip, reached in the stack to pull some purples. Came up with 2 genies and the dead guy. Suddenly it was a Genestealer pushing the emperors wheelchair down the hallways.

 Psienesis wrote:
Lot of faction-fanning in that layout. Personally, sounds like crap to me, not only because Navigators are not found in regular human society (they aren't born like Psykers), but having one or two doesn't permit the Tau to expand their Empire any faster.

Emperor forsees the End of the IoM coming and revives his Primarchs so that they could save the Imperium from them. Primarchs return as described in my earlier post. Primarchs' influence was the only reason that Imperial forces didn't attack Eldar and Necrons when contacted by them.

This would require GW to actually take a side on the question of whether the Emperor is dead or not. So far, GW has left this question unanswered. Acts of Faith are actually just better kung-fu, there's nothing space-magic about them. Other examples of the Emperor's power are circumstantial (such as the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath)

Primarchs' influence was the only reason that Imperial forces didn't attack Eldar and Necrons when contacted by them.

Which of the surviving Primarchs is going to be the one to open a dialog with a faction of undead robots who seek either the subjugation or the eradication of all life in the galaxy?

Why would the Necrons even bother to open a dialog with the Imperium? They're not worried about Abaddon. Daemons, yes, are of some concern, but the mortal forces of Chaos are of no worry to the Dynasties. The Necrons have the numbers to hold their Tomb Worlds, and expand further, in the galactic NW during a BC, meanwhile also staving off the naval assets of the Chaos Fleet in space. You do *not* want to get into a space battle with the Necrons, because you will lose, and lose very, very, *very* badly.

The Imperium has far more to gain from the involvement of the Necrons than the Necrons have to gain from siding with the Imperium, and the Necrons will demand prices the Imperium will not pay for their aid... and when those prices are not met, the Imperium will lose entire worlds.

Unless the Necrons are somehow going to magic-up some Pylons, the span of time required for constructing them doesn't mesh well with the "Happening Right Now" speed at which the Black Crusades are performed. Inside of two years during the 13th BC, Abaddon's forces ransacked the entire western half of the Imperium, took Cadia, and caused at least one world (St. Josmane's Hope) to be subject to Exterminatus.

Space Wolves are fine as they are. They neither need nor deserve a Successor Chapter. They do just fine as an over-large Chapter of Space Vikings.

On the Tau gaining Navigators: The idea was that after the Tau had held the human systems for some years, while the IoM was fending of the 14th Black Crusade and then trying to get the Eye to stop expanding, after holding the systems for several years, then the Tau would be able to convert a few Navigators, or get the Navigators from the Space Marine chapter that they had come into contact with and were currently supporting.

As far as the Necrons and IoM alying - come the apocalypse. The Eye of Terror was expanding, Chaos was moving in unprecedented numbers, and the Necrons realize that Chaos poses a threat to them. They wanted to close off the Warp by building the Pylons, so what better way than enlisting another Empire who will think that they are gaining from the deal, only to be shut off from a valuable asset that they rely heavily upon. Eldar obviously would see the threat inherent in Chaos conquering the IoM, so some of them might decide to step in. The IoM sends massive amounts of resources to keep Chaos off of the locations of the Pylons, but then the Primarchs discover the true intent behind the Necrons after many of the Pylons have already been completed, and turn on the Necrons, who still think that the Imperium is going to willingly help the Necrons destroy them. Necrons get defeated, pushed back.

Timeline of this: The Black Crusade got halted before the Pylons were being built. The Primarchs had come back and they led the Imperium to victory against the Black Crusade, and the Eldar stepped in to help when they realized that Chaos might win this war. Ruinous Powers conquer much of the Imperium, then gets pushed back into the Eye. Imperials then discover that the Eye has already expanded and absorbed Cadia and other planets. Eldar take their leave of Imperial forces. Necrons come and propose that the Imperium, who is slowly losing Systems and planets to the Eye's expansion, help them stop the Eye's expanding. Primarchs leading the Imperial forces see this as only way to save the Imperium, and agree to it. After locations are chosen for the Pylons to be built, Necrons begin building the Pylons while Daemon Primarchs return to action as they realize that worthy foes have finally presented themselves and seek to destroy the Loyalist Primarchs. Chaos continues its attacks, invasions, and raids from the Eye, until Necrons have completed many of their Pylons and the Eye's expansion is halted. Then, as the Primarchs realize the true intent of the Necrons (to seal off the Warp), they attack the Necrons and attempt to destroy them. IoM forces are able to drive the Necrons away after suffering monumental losses.

Alternately, Necrons just come after 14th Black Crusade, conquers some Imperial Worlds, holds the worlds by themselves, then build the Pylons on them.

I don't see the issue with Space Wolves getting successor chapters. Why wouldn't they deserve a Successor Chapter?

And of all of the Primarchs willing to listen to the Necrons, I can only see the Lion being willing to, as he is just pure intellect and logic and would see some way to turn the proposal to his advantage.

I don't see the issue with Space Wolves getting successor chapters. Why wouldn't they deserve a Successor Chapter?

Because the galaxy isn't big enough for that many Mary Sues.

The Necrons aren't stupid. And if/when the Imperium turned against them, the Imperium would need to be prepared to lose entire Segmentum battlefleets against a comparatively small number of Necron vessels. Those Tomb Ships are *deadly* in space combat. Such an action will possibly cost the Imperium the Crusade, because they'll be left with a much-reduced ability to face the naval assets of Chaos, and now be fighting a war on four fronts. Chaos to the west, Necrons to the north, Orks to the south and Tyranids to the east.

Wouldn't it simply be The 13th Black Crusade V2?

I thought the 13th BC was retconned and reset back to the beginning because GW didn't like the ending after running a world wide campaign to let players decide the outcome.

 Psienesis wrote:

I don't see the issue with Space Wolves getting successor chapters. Why wouldn't they deserve a Successor Chapter?

Because the galaxy isn't big enough for that many Mary Sues.

The Necrons aren't stupid. And if/when the Imperium turned against them, the Imperium would need to be prepared to lose entire Segmentum battlefleets against a comparatively small number of Necron vessels. Those Tomb Ships are *deadly* in space combat. Such an action will possibly cost the Imperium the Crusade, because they'll be left with a much-reduced ability to face the naval assets of Chaos, and now be fighting a war on four fronts. Chaos to the west, Necrons to the north, Orks to the south and Tyranids to the east.

a.) you're discounting the fact that the Imperial fleets would be led by the greatest military minds that humanity had ever produced aside from the Emperor himself.
b.) My point in this was just that some advance in the storyline isn't completely nonviable. Even if the Imperium and Necrons allying wouldn't work, then Necrons step in to stop the Warp and Reality being merged into one (a la Eye of Terror expanding), and smash through Chaos fleets in order to build the Pylons and stop the Eye from spreading.
c.)yeah, I guess that it sort of would be the 13th Black Crusade

We know that SOMETHING is up with the Golden Throne beyond just eating psykers to power the astronomicon. The Brides of the Emperor had an epiphany when brought before it, and astropaths are regularly soul-bound to it. Whether or not it's because the Emperor is alive (as well sa your definition of "alive") is more questionable (that said, the Emperor's Tarot does seem to work, at least)

And yea, 13th Black Crusade had necrons helping the Imperium (though the Imperium wisely kept their distance from them), even if perhaps only by attacking the Imperium's enemies (no joint bro-fisting alliances there. The Imperium simply stayed the hell away from them and let them do their thing, and there was no "big damn heroes" moment of necrons saving Imperials, unlike Eldar)

I wish they'd go back to more of that "Necrons hate Chaos" thing. It almost seems forgotten these days.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Wouldn't it simply be The 13th Black Crusade V2?

I thought the 13th BC was retconned and reset back to the beginning because GW didn't like the ending after running a world wide campaign to let players decide the outcome.

Yes. The 13th BC is currently underway, but is "just beginning" rather than "just ending", following the EoT campaign. This is the Black Crusade that kicked off in 6th Ed, the start of the conflict, and has continued on in its staticy way.

We know that SOMETHING is up with the Golden Throne beyond just eating psykers to power the astronomicon. The Brides of the Emperor had an epiphany when brought before it, and astropaths are regularly soul-bound to it. Whether or not it's because the Emperor is alive (as well sa your definition of "alive") is more questionable (that said, the Emperor's Tarot does seem to work, at least)

Tarot cards seem to "work" in the real world, too, if you're good at memorizing what the Suits and Trumps are supposed to represent, and have a bit of a flair for the dramatic. That doesn't mean that any supernatural elements are in play.

What happened with the Brides of the Emperor is unknown. We know they entered the throne room, and then walked out, denounced Vandire, and cut his head off. What exactly happened in there? We don't know. Perhaps it was one of those things that happen to some people when they visit war memorials or the sites of old battlefields, they get overwhelmed by the gravitas of it all and have, like, near-religious experiences and stuff. We just don't know, and aren't told.

And yea, 13th Black Crusade had necrons helping the Imperium (though the Imperium wisely kept their distance from them), even if perhaps only by attacking the Imperium's enemies (no joint bro-fisting alliances there. The Imperium simply stayed the hell away from them and let them do their thing, and there was no "big damn heroes" moment of necrons saving Imperials, unlike Eldar)

Less an alliance and more just shooting at the same targets, as it so happens... which was wise of the Imperium. Trazyn might have wanted to add some things to his collection... like a Titan Legion.

a.) you're discounting the fact that the Imperial fleets would be led by the greatest military minds that humanity had ever produced aside from the Emperor himself.

The Primarchs don't have jack on someone like Zahndrekh. That is a dude who has been waging war since before Mankind crawled out of the primordial ooze. The Necrons are old. Really, really old. And they went to war against creatures the likes of which the Primarchs cannot even comprehend of existing. The Necrons destroyed near-literal gods of two different varieties.

Even beyond that, tactics only get you so far when your enemy's ships out-class yours 10:1 by weight, and when they have more ships than you do overall, and can produce and crew them far faster than you can.

Ugh. Static fluff is so dull. Where was the harm in having the 13th BC conquer Cadia? You could easily just say it was temporary, and that the Imperium launched a massive campaign to reclaim it. In fact, make that the basis for a NEW public campaign - the Liberation of Cadia.

Cadia itself being conquered wouldn't necessarily result in the complete destruction of the Cadian Shock Troops. Surely there are dozens if not hundreds of regiments scattered throughout the Galaxy at any given moment? This would also be an opportunity for new original fluff for the other factions. The Tau, sensing an opportunity, could begin their 4th Sphere of expansion (or whatever its called), following the weakening of Imperial garrisons as Imperial Guard, Fleet and Space Marine forces are pulled from the sector to support the campaign to liberate Cadia. That would be good material for a new Tau Codex - the Tau on the offensive again. (Or are they still on the offensive with the 3rd whats-it still ongoing? I can't recall).


It was before my time (the Eye of Terror Campaign), but it seems like it was bad faith, and pointless, to tell players that they could influence actual 40K fluff by participating in a global campaign, the result of which would be reflected in future 40K fluff. Only to then go back on that promise and retcon the campaign out of existence because GW didn't like the result.

 Psienesis wrote:


Tarot cards seem to "work" in the real world, too, if you're good at memorizing what the Suits and Trumps are supposed to represent, and have a bit of a flair for the dramatic. That doesn't mean that any supernatural elements are in play.

The Legion of the Damned uses the Emperor's tarots. So supernatural elements are in play, literally, in that case!

(Because the Legion of the Damned are supernatural, and they're playing the Emperor's Tarot? Get it? Wakka wakka!)

But seriously, there's "have a bit of flair for the dramatic" and then there's this:

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Search?search=Tarot&fulltext=Search&ns0=1&ns14=1#

In 888.M37, the Emperor's Tarot indicated a Chaos threat from the Goreworlds in the Eye

who had tracked the daemon to Loressa via the Emperor's Tarot, saved Tyrus' life. The Tarot has guided the servants of the Emperor…

It was during the Rebellion on Vraks that Rex uncovered a prophecy via the Emperor's Tarot…

In addition to this, many Librarians are gifted with some degree of prognostication—whether by way of visions, meditation, consulting the Emperor's Tarot…

had been given command of the newly created Mortifactors Chapter as its first Chapter Master and led them using the Emperor's Tarot for guidance to the dark, frigid world…

upon the Eastern Fringes of the galaxy, the Emperor's Tarot began to tell of foul portents ten standard years before the arrival of Hive Fleet Kraken in 992.M41…

of Jihar the Lacerator. This regiment was raised as part of a larger muster brought about by a particularly portentous reading of the Emperor's Tarot…

readings of the Emperor's Tarot and freighter captains' warnings of disturbances in the Warp for several months before the Space Hulk's arrival…

and the Astropaths of Armageddon received constant reports of yet more Ork invasions and atrocities. Every consultation of the Emperor's Tarot prophesied enormous…

far from the Eye of Terror. In the middle of the ninth century of the 41st Millennium, the Emperor's Tarot revealed the existence of a badly damaged Space Hulk…

was too far behind to affect the outcome of this battle, the supposed "second enemy fleet" alluded to by intelligence sources and astropathic tarot readers…

All of the Legion's Battle-Brothers were to be equal before death—leveled in station by the certainty of their collective assured extinction. Using the Emperor's Tarot to go where they were most needed, the warriors decided to expend their lives attacking the Imperium's enemies wherever they could be found. (Legion of the Damned)

and the Emperor's Tarot produced ever more dire portents of strife. Not long after, outer early warning beacons detected an alien fleet moving into the Kolchis System…

taken from the Emperor's Tarot predicted the threat.

etc etc etc

Now, I'm pretty sure real life tarot cards aren't that accurate. Or specific, even.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Ugh. Static fluff is so dull. Where was the harm in having the 13th BC conquer Cadia? You could easily just say it was temporary, and that the Imperium launched a massive campaign to reclaim it. In fact, make that the basis for a NEW public campaign - the Liberation of Cadia.

I doubt there'd be much to liberate given the Planet Killer's presence.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Ugh. Static fluff is so dull. Where was the harm in having the 13th BC conquer Cadia? You could easily just say it was temporary, and that the Imperium launched a massive campaign to reclaim it. In fact, make that the basis for a NEW public campaign - the Liberation of Cadia.

I doubt there'd be much to liberate given the Planet Killer's presence.

Abaddon wants to overload the Cadians pylons. If outright destroying them was an option, the wording probably would have been "destroy", not "overload". Presumably they're nigh physically indestructable and he needs some ritual to infuse them with energy rather than just blow them up, in which case Abaddon needs Cadia intact and in one piece. Far as I know, anyways.

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Ugh. Static fluff is so dull. Where was the harm in having the 13th BC conquer Cadia? You could easily just say it was temporary, and that the Imperium launched a massive campaign to reclaim it. In fact, make that the basis for a NEW public campaign - the Liberation of Cadia.

I doubt there'd be much to liberate given the Planet Killer's presence.

Abaddon wants to overload the Cadians pylons. If outright destroying them was an option, the wording probably would have been "destroy", not "overload". Presumably they're nigh physically indestructable and he needs some ritual to infuse them with energy rather than just blow them up, in which case Abaddon needs Cadia intact and in one piece. Far as I know, anyways.

Well, usually you can't destroy a planet while your dominion of space is being contested, and the Imperium has lots of ships present. Overloading it might simply be easier.

 Psienesis wrote:

 daddyorchips wrote:
woah woah woah. in 2nd edition the emperor was not still alive and roaming around. the emperor was in the golden throne in the Rogue Trader rulebook. the emperor has always been a massively psychic almost-corpse.

2nd Ed quotes the Emperor lighting candles for his fallen Space Marines (may have been specifically for the BT, but I don't recall the details at this point).

It has him commanding that a black candle be lit and the Bell of Lost Souls be rung a thousand times for the lost Fire Hawks. Even then it was only presented as an "it is said" situation.

Another fluff thread another guy derailing it with the "ITS A SETTING" speach. bleh.


Honestly even if they have primarchs as LoW in HH they can just as easily make "ascendant" type of rules for 40k. Maybe Russ is an uber fighter after decades of war in the Warp or Corax leading an army of near perfect warriors reciting poetry or something.

Honestly if they do a campaign thing like they are doing in Fantasy I think it would be amazing for 40k. factions don't need to be destroyed, maybe just crippled or something. Even if characters die there can be *gasp* new characters to fight in their place!


back on topic I think that if Russ or Vulkan came back they would probably inquisitioned for a bit before let loose with armies and crusades. The imperium could get some ground back and factions could fight back to destroy them and such. I honestly think it would be a great idea if Guiliman healed or Vulkan lives, because it adds at least a little bit of hope back to contrast the grimdarkness. not a lot, just a little.

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
Honestly even if they have primarchs as LoW in HH they can just as easily make "ascendant" type of rules for 40k. Maybe Russ is an uber fighter after decades of war in the Warp or Corax leading an army of near perfect warriors reciting poetry or something.

Na, thats not his style. He'll be hiding out behind enemy lines on a lone wolf mission, assassinating enemy leaders and tracking down his traitor brothers. He has quite the grudge against Lorgar and Kond Kurze.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
Honestly even if they have primarchs as LoW in HH they can just as easily make "ascendant" type of rules for 40k. Maybe Russ is an uber fighter after decades of war in the Warp or Corax leading an army of near perfect warriors reciting poetry or something.

Na, thats not his style. He'll be hiding out behind enemy lines on a lone wolf mission, assassinating enemy leaders and tracking down his traitor brothers. He has quite the grudge against Lorgar and Kond Kurze.

I know i was just being a smart-arse =P besides thats what I imagine him doing too. Basically being an uber fighter after millenium in the warp.

Modern day ascended loyalist primarchs:

Russ: A giant werewolf.

Ferrus Manus (Hey, some Fists believe he'll be back): A head made out of necrodermis.

Corus: ....dunno. I mean, I could see the warp transforming him into a Raven-man in some sort of irony that he accepted as punishment for creating all those mutants. but... raven-man seems kinda corny.

Jhagatai: Just a really pimped out bike made from stolen Dark Eldar technology.

Guilliman: Maybe some parts of him are still in stasis despite his overall body being able to interact with time again, which leads to hilarity when he punches things or things hit him. ....yea, also sounds corny and nonsensical stemmed from nonsense but could at least look cool if done right.

Vulkan: No change. (Trazyn kept him perfectly preserved and made sure no harm or mutilation came to one of his favorite historical artifacts)

Rogal Dorn: A living skeleton, missing a hand! (okay, I couldn't help myself)

Lion: ....dunno. I mean, I'm sure you could come up with something if you really wanted to (Watcher mutation, lots of scars, whatever) but... whatever.

Sanguinus: Stays dead, so as to not narratively demean his sacrifice. Whatever the Sanguinor is, it's not Sanguinus (though it being a psychic echo from Sanguinus is fine)

 Harriticus wrote:
A Primarch around in M41 would pretty much result in them running the Imperium as Demi-Gods. The only reason they're not is because of GW and the holy status quo.

Somebody just needs to bust into the Rock already and slap the Lion till he wakes up.


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 Psienesis wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:
Again though, there is no question that the Emperor is "alive."

It is just a question of what he is doing or capable of doing.

Actually, that is a very big question in-universe. People believe that he is, but there is no hard evidence to indicate that he is.

As the various followers of Chaos will tell you, he's a corpse on a chair. As the Imperials will tell you, his psychic might is battling the Chaos Gods in the Warp (for those Imperials who know about such things).

But these are just in-universe beliefs and guesses, really. We're not objectively told. Which is basically true for just about anything in the setting, there's no objective viewpoints (other than crunch for the tabletop game, obviously) on anything, it's all lies, half-truths, myths and legends.

Living Saints kinda immediately kill any idea that the GEOM is actually dead. It's extremely clear that the GEOM is both perfectly alive but relegated to fighting Chaos. Plus with the new Legion of the Damned Codex and Talon of Horus, loyalist daemons are a thing, pointing to the GEOM becoming a warp god.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
A Primarch around in M41 would pretty much result in them running the Imperium as Demi-Gods. The only reason they're not is because of GW and the holy status quo.

Somebody just needs to bust into the Rock already and slap the Lion till he wakes up.

Get a Space Wolf to tea bag him.

TiamatRoar wrote:
Modern day ascended loyalist primarchs:

Sanguinus: Stays dead, so as to not narratively demean his sacrifice. Whatever the Sanguinor is, it's not Sanguinus (though it being a psychic echo from Sanguinus is fine)

All the primarchs are mashups or straight copy pasta of important ancient religious or literary figures.

Son with angellic powers and incredible humility, tempted severely at the hour of his death, offers himself as a sacrifice to try and save humanity's souls.

Sound familiar? Yeah, spoiler alert, Sanguinus is coming back. Probably not permanently in corpus but his return fits the character he was ripped off from. The Sanguinor's characteristics fit this mold.


And we don't need Necron help to seal the Eye of Terror. Inquisitor Quirxos was within days or hours of sealing it himself with human-made pylons when he took a daemon hammer to the face for being a very very bad boy.

Living Saints kinda immediately kill any idea that the GEOM is actually dead. It's extremely clear that the GEOM is both perfectly alive but relegated to fighting Chaos. Plus with the new Legion of the Damned Codex and Talon of Horus, loyalist daemons are a thing, pointing to the GEOM becoming a warp god.

Belief can cause a lot of things, especially when the Warp is involved. Whether the guy on the Golden Throne is responsible, or if it is simply the belief of an uncounted number of human beings in the galaxy believing that it is him is an important distinction.

The Emperor... that is, the guy entombed in the Golden Throne... may well and truly be nothing more than a corpse.

In the Warp, 10,000 years of veneration by quadrillions of human souls may have created a conceptual deity that bears only the title once held by the Emperor of Mankind, but is, in fact, not the same being.

 Silverthorne wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
Modern day ascended loyalist primarchs:

Sanguinus: Stays dead, so as to not narratively demean his sacrifice. Whatever the Sanguinor is, it's not Sanguinus (though it being a psychic echo from Sanguinus is fine)

All the primarchs are mashups or straight copy pasta of important ancient religious or literary figures.

Son with angellic powers and incredible humility, tempted severely at the hour of his death, offers himself as a sacrifice to try and save humanity's souls.

Sound familiar? Yeah, spoiler alert, Sanguinus is coming back. Probably not permanently in corpus but his return fits the character he was ripped off from. The Sanguinor's characteristics fit this mold.


And we don't need Necron help to seal the Eye of Terror. Inquisitor Quirxos was within days or hours of sealing it himself with human-made pylons when he took a daemon hammer to the face for being a very very bad boy.

Does the parallel with the Sanguinor and the Green Knight of Bretonnia (who ended up being Gilles le Breton, of course!) in Fantasy strike anyone as suggestive. I don't see any way that an "End Times" such as the one currently taking place in the Old World does NOT happen in 40k. They need all the Primarch models to come out first, of course, but how many people are really playing Horus Heresy with those 72 Pound Sterling tomes as rulebooks, as opposed to people buying "their Primarch" and putting him on the shelf with their 40k Space Marine army? I, for one, am planning to do the latter.

Anyway, I would love to play Blood Angels with my Primarch--either in the 30k or 40k version. But, Forge World hasn't gotten around to it yet...

And we don't need Necron help to seal the Eye of Terror. Inquisitor Quirxos was within days or hours of sealing it himself with human-made pylons when he took a daemon hammer to the face for being a very very bad boy.

Which he, uh, copied from the Necrons... but his works (save one) were destroyed in plasmatic fire.