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The large gulf between close combat vs shooting is HUGE! The rewards of CC far outweighs that to shooting. CC needs to be toned down as all i currently use is CC orientated lists and I generally table my opponents.

I use shooty Enforcers (with a CC commander) and punchy Plague. Both table opponents. Then again, my opinion would probably weigh heavier if I'd played in the last half year! I'm still riding my old laurels of getting an entire game store to quit (and they're hardcore players who LIKE playing bloody).

 judgedoug wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Most of the Warpath "we gotta write something" filler has been written away, Veer-myn being the last holdout.

In that case I hope they can also write away that fething stupid name. Right down there with "Mon-keigh" for total stupidity.

Agreed. They've had some pretty cool Dreadball race/team names, so I'm hoping that trend continues.

though, honestly, I don't see why they wouldn't call themselves rats. If the background is genetically uplifted rats, and they learned English, and the scientists called them rats, why wouldn't they call each other rats as well? And as they grew as a society, they just took ownership of it, and now like Judge Doug the human, there's Dingle McPringle the rat. I mind that much less than some sort of forced invented race name.

Even something like "Veer" would be different enough. "Veer-Myn" just sounds like a 12-year-old's creation.

"Because "veer-myn". When you say it out loud, it sounds like "vermin". Because they're rat-men, and rats are vermin! Get it? Get it?"

"Oh, that's so very witty, let's make that the official name for the race!"

"Job's a good'un. Let's go have lunch!"

Hey, remember what the Eldar call humans?

Got my Mars Attacks hardcover, really like it. Glad we got it and don't just have to use the soft covers, which while they work aren't as "nice" as a good hardback. Though I'll probably just use the digital ones for gameplay ; p It's a lot smaller than the deadzone hardcover. I like both styles, the simplistic Deadzone black with silver lettering and the colourful mars attacks one. Just need a hardcover Dreadball one now I think! And looking forward to the Kings of War one.

While I like my cheese, I do hope Mantic keeps the Warpath setting "clean" so dropping veer-myn name would be ideal, though I'm sitll happy with space elves, space ratmen and so on so long as they're done well. Space elves using drones is a great idea. Orks being militaristic mercs is great. Current ratmen, I'm glad they're getting a bit of a rewrite ; p

There's no hardback coming for DBX, right? I recall them saying they weren't going to do hardbacks for anything but KoW and Warpath anymore because they take too much effort and expense, and that they said this after arranging the Mars Attacks! hardback

Yeah don't think there's one for Dreadball on the books. If they do another DB KS (doubtful?) we might be able to harass them for an all in one for it.

Damn, I imagine the MA one cost a lot since they sent it out individually to everyone when they didn't budget for that.

Got my MA hardback today, too. Really nice from the outside, although again it's just all the softcovers glued back to back. Maybe someday they will actually make a compendium with functional page numbers and index.


I'm also having a bit of a fit over not being able to use any of the teams from Wave 2 in DBX.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Got my MA hardback today, too. Really nice from the outside, although again it's just all the softcovers glued back to back. Maybe someday they will actually make a compendium with functional page numbers and index.

I was VERY disappointed int he DeadZone hardback. The lack of a title printed on the spine combined with the issue you mentioned just kills what it should have been for me.

lalala not listening!

No rules for them yet Blackfang?

There are no DBX rules yet for anything except the two teams in the game box, even though 4 other teams and something like a dozen MVPs have been shipped to backers.

DBX was billed as a stand alone game with compatible models, but it looks like it's really just 3 new waves of models for DBO, with DBX itself being just an afterthought, if that.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
There are no DBX rules yet for anything except the two teams in the game box, even though 4 other teams and something like a dozen MVPs have been shipped to backers.

DBX was billed as a stand alone game with compatible models, but it looks like it's really just 3 new waves of models for DBO, with DBX itself being just an afterthought, if that.

Yep, sad.

Mantic done gone fethed up by making the player handbook wave 3.

I play DBO, so it's not as big of a deal for me, but I'd really like to use these Season 4 teams for the game they were originally made for.

There's my DBX wave 3 as well. And look at that! They even managed to include my missing starter box free agents/sponsors in this box. I mean they were supposed to... just glad they came through

I haven't opened the baggies yet but everything looks sublime at first glance.

I've got the rebs and brokkrs too, if anyone needs to see anything let me know. I'm more likely to get these packed away in preparation or bones2 arriving, but I'm happy to post pictures if anyone needs to see something.

Yeah, DBX has basically been put on hiatus until wave 3 for me and my family.

I wanted to run Sphyr, Barzam is waiting on his Mechanite team, and my kids are waiting for the Challenge Cup MVPs.

Maybe I'll paint some of the figures up for the hell of it in the meantime. Or actually finishing putting together Deadzone stuff.

Or keep waiting for my missing Forge Fathers...

I'm guessing they've timed the rules releases for the retail releases rather than backer shipping, or possibly it's happening that way by accident rather than design.

Also Schnorkel is my new favourite mini

He's pretty chunky. I kind of want to give him a gun or some other weapon and form my own Guardians of the Galaxy -esque troupe now. A lot of those minis look pretty darn neat, gonna be hard to resist getting them out and painting sooner than later.

Yep, the MVPs and Free Agents are all really cool.

Wave 2 models are all pretty sweet.

Except I didn't get any round bases for the 60 zombies I ordered, and I'm still missing my season 3 DBO stuff...

 NTRabbit wrote:
Also Schnorkel is my new favourite mini

He's been my favorite since the moment they first showed his sketch!

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:
Also Schnorkel is my new favourite mini

He's been my favorite since the moment they first showed his sketch!

Take that NTRabbit!

For those in the know, is there any new backstage buzz about Deadzone: Infestation? I can't remember - have they said that a first quarter launch won't be happening?

 Vermonter wrote:
For those in the know, is there any new backstage buzz about Deadzone: Infestation? I can't remember - have they said that a first quarter launch won't be happening?

Kinda hoping they delay it even more now that Conan is draining my wallet...

i thought Schnorkel had a good chance of becoming Mantic's Jar-Jar Binks, but he did turn out great.


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 Alex C wrote:

 Vermonter wrote:
For those in the know, is there any new backstage buzz about Deadzone: Infestation? I can't remember - have they said that a first quarter launch won't be happening?

Kinda hoping they delay it even more now that Conan is draining my wallet...

Good luck with that one. I'm not on board myself, but as an REH fan, I hope the final product does the property justice.

I don't think we've really heard *anything* about DZ:I. Kind of running out of time for Q1, I mean if it was going to be this month it would already be time to start drumming up interest...

I'm good with them waiting for awhile though... my money trees haven't decided to flower yet =/

 GrimDork wrote:
I don't think we've really heard *anything* about DZ:I. Kind of running out of time for Q1, /

Patience, Padawan. We're not even half way through Q1 yet.

 Vermonter wrote:
For those in the know, is there any new backstage buzz about Deadzone: Infestation? I can't remember - have they said that a first quarter launch won't be happening?

I don't have any info on timing either, expecting a bit of a wait on that one. Hopefully will result in a properly done 2.0.

Putting the breaks on the KS train sounds about right for the time being. since Mantic already has retail releases funded to last them into 2016, with DB Season 5 and 6, DBX and expansions, Dungeon Saga and expansions, the rest of Mars Attacks, a few more Deadzone bits, Battlezones, two new KoW armies and various other units (there are still some things that haven't been released from the first KS).

As Ronnie mentioned a while ago there will be Deadzone-lite released before then (don't have any input on that project myself, but I'm assuming it will be something like Mars Attacks army lists for the Deadzone factions).

Mars Attacks is the better system of the two, IMO.

I prefer all the extra bells and whistles DZ has, but MA certainly has a better rules complexity vs tactical complexity ratio. Not that DZ was any slouch in that area to begin with.

MA definitely plays faster and the crazy stuff that happens makes it fun I still think the extra stuff going on in Deadzone would have me wanting that as my weekly game if I had a weekly game Yeah basically what Blackfang said.

@ Mikes, well if it's the first 3 months of the year, and we're getting awfully close to halfway through February... they'll be advertising it ahead of time for at least a couple of weeks, likely and preferably longer to build up hype as they have in the past. As far as we know now there aren't even any whispers. So while you're technically correct, I stand by my statement

I don't mind waiting, really.

I haven't even gotten around to fielding the Asterians even once, nor have I managed to assemble any plastic Enforcers or Peacekeepers.

I barely had time to go through the 10 MA scenarios in the core book and 3 games of DBX. And I just had Wrath of Kings delivered today. No rush for any new stuff here.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Hey, remember what the Eldar call humans?

Uh... yeah. I mentioned that in my post that you quoted.

Indeed you did.

So, Jake is back. I hope the DBX stuff can get sorted now.