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I just went over my CSM Rhino and fell in love with the concept of a 62/67 point Rhino.
It's equipped with 2 TL-bolters, a Havoc Launcher, a Combi-Plasma and a 5 man squad of CSM with a Plasma Gun.
The 67 point version also comes with Warpflame Gargoyles
The CSM squad amounts to 90 points.
For 152/157 points you get a vehicle with 3 hull points at av11, 7 bolters, the wonderful havoc launcher, a plasmagun and if you need the extra punch you have a turn with 2 plasma guns firing away at the enemy, finally it also comes with 5 wounds in power armour.
This looks absolutely incredible, considering 7th edition rules for vehicles.

Is there anybody out there with experience of this wonderful machine in 7th ed? This loadout also seems vastly superior at anti-infantry when compared to the SM Rhino and Razorback.

I'd imagine that the CSM squads should be supported by some serious anti-vehicle weaponry, ie. DS-Termies with Combi-Meltas and Raptors with dual Meltaguns, in order to negate the lack of anti-vehicle capacity of these squads, or perhaps tri-las preds.

In the CSM codex, I seem to be hard pressed to find anything as good at short to medium range shooting against infantry and light vehicles, but I haven't seen anybody posting this style of unit yet. I'm aware of the shortcomings of the unit but they should be somewhat mitigated by the fact that you can run up to 9 of these in a normal bound army (you'd need to go for either plagues or noise marines in rhinos to get more than six though) and 4 would be easy to fit into any army of 1500-1750 points.

Can somebody tell me if I'm overlooking something here, because it almost looks to good to be true?

Uhh. The fact that it costs almost twice as much as a 35 point rhino but still has the same paper thin armor?

And 12" range? And it'll only be able to fire all those guns if completely stationary? I feel like if I were playing Codex Space Marines I'd just bollocks the idea of a rhino entirely, put them in a pod and just buy more marines if I wanted extra bolters

It's okish. Not massively efficient for its points.
The version of the rhino/razor with the most firepower for points in the game is an inquisition razor with assault cannon and psybolt ammo. Along with 6 acolytes, 3 with plasmaguns and 3 with bolters for 127pts.
Gives you 4 bs4 tl st7 ap4 rending shots, 3-6 plasmagun shots and 3-6 bolter shots. No powerarmour on the dudes inside though. This set up can go for anything upto av12 (higher with rending), and MCs and infantry including 2+ saves.


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Also doesn't have to stay stationary.

Doesn't the Rhino have only room for one more weapon upgrade (it already has one combi-bolter) and you get to choose whether to have a havoc launcher, combi-weapon or another combi-bolter?

it is nearly twice as expensive as a SM or GK rhino. It is good fro the CSM codex, but if you can take the deathclaw droppods from FW they are a better choice.

 Opera wrote:
Doesn't the Rhino have only room for one more weapon upgrade (it already has one combi-bolter) and you get to choose whether to have a havoc launcher, combi-weapon or another combi-bolter?

Generally vehicle upgrades states "you may take" not must replace

Also the inquistorial Razorback with plaslytes seems really ineffective considering they have no fire points

probably better in a cheaper rhino or go full ham and go mass psybacks with minimum acolytes.

 Desubot wrote:

 Opera wrote:
Doesn't the Rhino have only room for one more weapon upgrade (it already has one combi-bolter) and you get to choose whether to have a havoc launcher, combi-weapon or another combi-bolter?

Generally vehicle upgrades states "you may take" not must replace

Also the inquistorial Razorback with plaslytes seems really ineffective considering they have no fire points

probably better in a cheaper rhino or go full ham and go mass psybacks with minimum acolytes.

The wording for Chaos Vehicle Equipment is "A model can take up to one of each of the following." Technically, it already has a combi-bolter, so someone may want to argue with you if you want to take a second.

You can definitely take a havok launcher, a combi weapon and warpflame gargoyles. There's no dispute about that. Also, it's a tank. You can also take destroyer blades and daemonic possession if you really want to screw with people.

Still, it's AV 11. It can be shot to death with bolters. Statistically average, it takes 18 bolter shots to put one down, which is not that much for someone to come up with.

On the rear armour. Unless they are raptor bolters or its been misfortuned.

I like running the, ahem, "Penis In A Box" configuration with a few 5-man NM w/ Blastmaster squads with their DT Rhinos. However, aren't you exaggerating? Rhinos die to the first AT weapon that aims at them and regular CSM are hardly impressive. Take a couple to get some Objective Secured units, though don't pretend they're anything special.

Frankly the way you describe things is suspicious. Highly suspicious of not being serious.