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So as the notes say this is the list of my lady friend came up with for our campaign she thinks its good and i think it will play havoc against my lizsards the dark elf player and the it might suck against our last player who might do ogres.
Any thoughts would be greatly apprcieated and ill pass them on to her. mind you this is her first army so be gentle guys.


Hero
Sorc
level two lore of slaanesh or shadow (she hasnt decided)

Core

Warriors x10
Mark of Slaanesh shields full command

Special
Hellstriders x5
Hellstriders x5

i like the idea of the list.

2 points i woud like to make:

1. i would go with lore of shadow, for me its a much better lore and will serve your friend better in more situation.
2. Hellstriders are VERY fast, IMHO the Warriors are too slow for the list. i would consider a unit of MoS Marauder Horseman. keeps to the theme of a fast army that can out move most opponents, especially at this points level, and pick and choose your fights.

Just my 2 cents

Dark elves and lizards? Lore of slaanesh all he way. Charge forward and drop cacophonic bubble choir and lol as you win the game.

I like the idea of the fast list combined with lore of slaanesh for movement restriction on their part. I would switch your core though. Go with marauder cav and replace the hellstriders with knights. Gives you a real hammer unit while filling your core and keeping the fast moving theme.

Lore of slaanesh will cause havoc for ogres

so something like this...

list one

hero
chaos sorc
deamonic mount level two lore of slaanesh or shadow (her choice)

core
muarader horse men x5
muarader horsemen x5

special
hellstriders x5
hellstriders x5

list two

hero
chaos sorc
deamonic mount level two lore of slaanesh or shadow (her choice)

core
muarader horse men x5
champ
muarader horsemen x5
champ
special

special
chaos knights x5
champ

What about two Slaaneshi chariots for core? Probably with knights in special. I mention them because a) they're awesome; b) they're fast-ish; c) she's actually likely to use them in many of her games. This last bit is of particular importance, and is an argument for making the warriors work too (by giving them +1M banner I guess). Basically, horsemen, while great models, are not particularly useful, not when you've got hellstriders and warhounds available - a better fast cav unit and a better dedicated chaff unit.

As to the sorcerer / sorceress, I'd say totally go with Slaanesh, possibly with the ruby ring if you've got points (spoiler: you probably don't have points). Also, I'd say grab a Steed of Slaanesh over a Daemonic Mount, unless her plan is to use the amazeballs 'boob-worm' model - then by all means, unbarded Daemonic Mount FTW! Either way, make sure to plonk 5 points for the enchanted shield. 1+ armor is also win.

Finally, whenever you have the choice, buy musicians for your units. Faaaaaar more useful than champs, particularly in a WoC army where your champs auto-challenge

EDIT1: Oof, there isn't remotely enough points to take 2 chariots + 5 knights ... Maybe go with pimped out sorcerer, double chariots, then 5+ hellstriders w/ musician? Or if she goes horsemen core + knights, maybe use hellstrider models for the horsemen? That way they can play double duty later on when the horsemen are no longer all that useful.

EDIT2: Part of the deal with 5 knights in 500 points is that they'll tear the face off of nearly anything, barring a Metal wizard on the table that can erase them with Searing Doom. They are extremely good at low points, which can be bad or good depending - good for the chaos player, a bit of a bummer for everybody up against them

EDIT3: Just crushed through some lists and I had a hell of a time getting any kit onto the sorcerer, even using warhounds to fill out 25% core + those knights. But but but I could do it with the hellstriders:

Chaos Sorceress - MoS, level 2 (SLAANESH), enchanted shield, daemonic mount = 165

Chariot - MoS = 115
Chariot - MoS = 115

5 Hellstriders - musician, spears = 105
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500

Bam! Victory! Also only 8 models It's certainly a weird list, very dependent upon charges and being patient, but it's also all cool models that will show up in later lists. From here her next build is probably a warrior blocks + some warhounds to get her to 1000 points - so basically she'll be building the center of the army after building its fast elements

- Salvage

would it not be beneficial to put the level 2 on a normally chaos steed so she ranks up with the knights?

She ranks up fine on a daemonic mount, she simply doesn't get a LOS! roll ... which at 500 points is generally ok. You actually usually see Slaanesh casters on Steeds of Slaanesh, which allows them to vanguard + book it 20" up the table into caco-bomb range - which would make them cavalry and so totally groovy hanging out with some knights. The Slaanesh daemonic mount model is a lot easier to buy though for a new player: just pay ~$30 for a great model out of the box, rather than buy a hellstrider box and convert one with warrior bits or knight bits or whatever bits, then figure out what to do with 4 hellstriders (answer: buy another box and be able to run 6-9 hellstriders).

Also, daemonic mounts have some benefits of their own, including some serious attak power for a 500 point game.

- Salvage

 Boss Salvage wrote:
She ranks up fine on a daemonic mount, she simply doesn't get a LOS! roll ... which at 500 points is generally ok. You actually usually see Slaanesh casters on Steeds of Slaanesh, which allows them to vanguard + book it 20" up the table into caco-bomb range - which would make them cavalry and so totally groovy hanging out with some knights. The Slaanesh daemonic mount model is a lot easier to buy though for a new player: just pay ~$30 for a great model out of the box, rather than buy a hellstrider box and convert one with warrior bits or knight bits or whatever bits, then figure out what to do with 4 hellstriders (answer: buy another box and be able to run 6-9 hellstriders).

Also, daemonic mounts have some benefits of their own, including some serious attak power for a 500 point game.

- Salvage

I wounds agree with this. also don't forget Daemonic mounts grant and extra wound to the hero.

well she finalized her list today...and this is what shes running. its a little odd but again its miodles she likes.

hero
deamonic mount level 2 lore of slaanesh

core
muarader horsemen x10
full command

special
hellstriders x5
spears musician

sounds kinda tough so im not gonna argue with her choice...but she seems pretty pleased by it so im gonna let her run with it ya know? either way lemme know what ya think about this list. mind you shes pretty dead set on this. so any buff to the sorc would be appreciated. i was thinking ruby ring cause well give her some oomph for her wizard.

mixer86 wrote:I wounds agree with this. also don't forget Daemonic mounts grant and extra wound to the hero.

I totally forgot about that! Yea, boobworm ftw.

alabamaheretic wrote:well she finalized her list today...and this is what shes running. its a little odd but again its miodles she likes.

I can appreciate that. Sadly, the list is also illegal: you need 3 units + 1 hero to be a Warhammer army. We can fix this very easily by splitting the horsemen up. Gimme a hot second to rewire the list ...

hero
deamonic mount level 2 lore of slaanesh

core
muarader horsemen x10
full command

special
hellstriders x5
spears musician

Chaos Sorcerer - MoS, level 2 (SLAANESH), ruby ring of ruin, enchanted shield, dragonbane gem, daemonic mount = 195

5 Horsemen - MoS, musician, flails, javelins = 100
5 Horsemen - MoS, musician, flails, javelins = 100

5 Hellstriders - musician, spears = 105
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500

There we are, delicious legality. Also marks, flails, javelins, music and a pretty pimped out sorcerer! Dude(tte) is rocking T5, W3, 1+ armor, 2+ fire ward for defense, with 3 spells to drive the magic phase and the speed to be wherever she wants. Her underlings are all pretty quick, with the horsemen core able to toss S3 javs (because can) but mostly to combo-charge with S5 for great justice. Hit them with the Slaanesh Frenzy spell for added mayhem!

- Salvage

thanks salvage for the advice ill let her know and show her this awesome monstrosity that is her sorc. im actually quite scared of that list it seems like its gonna hurt alot...pain shes gonna bring it in true slaanesh fashion ya know?

salvage i did some math and i think your math may be wrong some where cauase for ten horsemen no upgrades (flails javelins marks musicians) is 190 unless there is an erratta or an faq or something i do not know about

 alabamaheretic wrote:
thanks salvage for the advice ill let her know and show her this awesome monstrosity that is her sorc. im actually quite scared of that list it seems like its gonna hurt alot...pain shes gonna bring it in true slaanesh fashion ya know?

salvage i did some math and i think your math may be wrong some where cauase for ten horsemen no upgrades (flails javelins marks musicians) is 190 unless there is an erratta or an faq or something i do not know about

Without breaking down individual points costs:

1 Marauder Horseman with MoS, Flails and Javelins is 18 points = 5 x 18 = 90, Musician costs 10 = 100

I'm pretty sure Boss Salvage has its right.

ah thats what i thought....she might of been doing the math wrong some where.....she has her book so i dunno...but i thought it was legal...


i dunno shes claims that the horsemen are 19 beofore upgrades according to the book...and the sorc before toys with just level two and the mount is close like 180 something i dunno thats why i was wondering about point costs...thats all. and i did check the erratta on gws site to see if there was anything that we might of missed and there wasnt anything there....like i said i dunno...

 alabamaheretic wrote:
ah thats what i thought....she might of been doing the math wrong some where.....she has her book so i dunno...but i thought it was legal...


i dunno shes claims that the horsemen are 19 beofore upgrades according to the book...and the sorc before toys with just level two and the mount is close like 180 something i dunno thats why i was wondering about point costs...thats all. and i did check the erratta on gws site to see if there was anything that we might of missed and there wasnt anything there....like i said i dunno...

i thought they were 75 points for a 5 man unit.

Could be wrong though

well according to the math i just did they are 95 for five with no upgrades and thats according to the book man. thats what book said mixer

 alabamaheretic wrote:
well according to the math i just did they are 95 for five with no upgrades and thats according to the book man. thats what book said mixer

My bad. was looking through an old army list of mine as i don't have the book to hand.

Quite right. 95 before gear

 alabamaheretic wrote:
i dunno shes claims that the horsemen are 19 beofore upgrades according to the book...and the sorc before toys with just level two and the mount is close like 180 something i dunno thats why i was wondering about point costs...thats all. and i did check the erratta on gws site to see if there was anything that we might of missed and there wasnt anything there....like i said i dunno...

*raises an eyebrow, then gets out his book*

Pretty sure I see the problem: 5 Marauder Horsemen = 70 but 5 Hellstriders of Slaanesh = 95 (both units without upgrades)

As for the sorcerer, I was totally wrong on the price, I was using the old base cost (85), not the new one (110) Just drop the ruby ring to bring things back into line.

- Salvage