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Belac Ynnead wrote:
So, not to crash the party at all here but.... are we looking at a Codex: Waveserpent situation here? 75 Points for T5 W6 with (maybe?) 15 STR 5 shots each turn? Or +25 points for 5 pinning pie plates? Or Venom cannon spam? Oh, and if you assault, they're going to be whacking you with 3 str 5 ap2 hits? Granted, I play Grey Knights so we give exactly zero craps about their 6 wounds, but most other codexes will struggle.

Granted, I'm no Tyrranid expert, but it seems pretty damn points efficient to me. Help me out, scions of the hive mind. Is this as good as it seems to me? Or will it come down to how the shooting rules work. Is there anything you could put in one of these that would have an equal amount of dakka for only 100 points, assuming you do get to fire the weapons at will, 360 degrees? I know GW needs to sell the new kits, but I don't really love mono-unit super lists.

You'll have to have a good base to support a good chunk of your army in reserve, how the MC rules currently work they can only shoot two guns(so that depends on the special rules if it's better or not), it can't run or assault, and assault-nids can't attack until turn three at the earliest from them. It's just a different way to play.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Belac Ynnead wrote:
So, not to crash the party at all here but.... are we looking at a Codex: Waveserpent situation here? 75 Points for T5 W6 with (maybe?) 15 STR 5 shots each turn? Or +25 points for 5 pinning pie plates? Or Venom cannon spam? Oh, and if you assault, they're going to be whacking you with 3 str 5 ap2 hits? Granted, I play Grey Knights so we give exactly zero craps about their 6 wounds, but most other codexes will struggle.

Granted, I'm no Tyrranid expert, but it seems pretty damn points efficient to me. Help me out, scions of the hive mind. Is this as good as it seems to me? Or will it come down to how the shooting rules work. Is there anything you could put in one of these that would have an equal amount of dakka for only 100 points, assuming you do get to fire the weapons at will, 360 degrees? I know GW needs to sell the new kits, but I don't really love mono-unit super lists.

You'll have to have a good base to support a good chunk of your army in reserve, how the MC rules currently work they can only shoot two guns(so that depends on the special rules if it's better or not), it can't run or assault, and assault-nids can't attack until turn three at the earliest from them. It's just a different way to play.

I really hope that's true - I just fear. I guess we'll have to wait to see exactly what the shooting rules are.

Well, this re-instills my belief in a semi-benevolent god. Awesome job GW!

direhippo wrote:
Well, this re-instills my belief in a semi-benevolent god. Awesome job GW!

Isn't it sad that it only takes a few little models and rules to make us happy? Imagine if they put this amount of effort into everything that they do?

Probably can't do the Tyrranocyte in a tyrranocyte thing (as funny as it is,) as the Tyrranocyte can't move therefore can't deploy out of the tyrranocyte that deepstruck in the first place.

chnmmr wrote:
Probably can't do the Tyrranocyte in a tyrranocyte thing (as funny as it is,) as the Tyrranocyte can't move therefore can't deploy out of the tyrranocyte that deepstruck in the first place.

Actually it can move, it's just that tyrannocytes must be deep-struck as part of their rules.

chnmmr wrote:
Probably can't do the Tyrranocyte in a tyrranocyte thing (as funny as it is,) as the Tyrranocyte can't move therefore can't deploy out of the tyrranocyte that deepstruck in the first place.

I am pretty sure it can move. It can't run or charge but it can float 6 inches in the movement phase.

EDIT: Ninja'd by Sinful Hero...

Belac Ynnead wrote:
So, not to crash the party at all here but.... are we looking at a Codex: Waveserpent situation here? 75 Points for T5 W6 with (maybe?) 15 STR 5 shots each turn? Or +25 points for 5 pinning pie plates? Or Venom cannon spam? Oh, and if you assault, they're going to be whacking you with 3 str 5 ap2 hits? Granted, I play Grey Knights so we give exactly zero craps about their 6 wounds, but most other codexes will struggle.

Granted, I'm no Tyrranid expert, but it seems pretty damn points efficient to me. Help me out, scions of the hive mind. Is this as good as it seems to me? Or will it come down to how the shooting rules work. Is there anything you could put in one of these that would have an equal amount of dakka for only 100 points, assuming you do get to fire the weapons at will, 360 degrees? I know GW needs to sell the new kits, but I don't really love mono-unit super lists.

BS2, so they score as many hits as 2.5 deathspitter Shrikes, who would cost about 10 pts more, also deep strike, have a much better assault, and are far from OP.


Wave Serpents have SIGNIFICANTLY superior range, shooting, speed, and survivability, and I'm talking equal points put into each not just comparing the units to each other. They are also ObSec and ignore cover. And their shooting has an excellent AP.


The pods are not worth takin on their own merits, however they are justifiable for their price thanks tithe support they offer your units and the fact that they don't pay TOO much for what they got.

In the last edition, 80 points of Drop pods got you 12x S6 shots, were 12x T6 wounds, And would deepstrike 40 models / 2 MCs instead. They are probably slightly worse than this on their own merits in this new edition, made up for by the fact that you can now deepstrike anything, key units weren't always able to take spores. The cannons are a good upgrade, 3 pods each taking them will score a total of 5 hits on the scatter die and likely send 10 completely awry with BS2. This is an excellent upgrade and definitely worth taking if you already needed the pods, however at 300 pts for the lot it's not really worth taking on its own merits, although still a better solo model than some of the trash in our dex.

So no, they are extremely well balanced, and even comparing them to Wave Serpents is freaking outlandish haha.

Woaw ! Just woaw !



I'm so pumped now for the tyranid force I'm buiding. This will undoubtedly change a lot of things in tyranid competitive perspective.
I have noticed two things : this beast has 5 firing weapons, while monstrous creatures can only fire 2. But there is also an "instinctive fire" special rule we don't know anything about, which certainly covers the case.

Secondly, see the document's edge : looks like to be a straight solid one.
So this picture may not be from a future white dwarf, but from a hardback supplement. This means it would be in a book that I suppose included in the future stand-alone campaign box.

It seems that GW has finally stepped on the neck of at least one source of rumors.

Is anyone wondering about the cost of this model? If it's $75 each, I doubt I'll be getting more than one.

Gentlemen...

I Present the Muctolid AND the Sporocyst



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 pretre wrote:
Holy crud. This one was not predicted by anyone.

Oh, I'm sure plenty of hacks who've been guesstimating a spore pod for the past 10 years will try to claim credit

 Bloodhorror wrote:
Gentlemen...

I Present the Muctolid AND the Sporocyst



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The next week preview has "Psychic Horror"....

Gentlemen, begin your Doom of Malantai / Zoanthrope / Venomthrope combined kit speculation!

 Bloodhorror wrote:
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Beat me to it!

But, a spore that assaults flyers for 15 points? Hol-eee crap. I can't wait to see what the Sporocyte does, the rule pic is crap sadly...

Oh wow. That Sporocyst is a drastically different model. This is possibly the most interesting multi-model kit ever.

The Mucolids also look like D&D Grells.

So each gun is measured independently to determine what it fires at- pretty insane.

 Absolutionis wrote:
Oh wow. That Sporocyst is a drastically different model. This is possibly the most interesting multi-model kit ever.

The Mucolids also look like D&D Grells.

Spoiler:

Pics for work blocked?

So i can barely, but have read instinctive fire... it seems you can shoot all the weapons and can choose different targets for each weapon. but has to be the closeest enemy model in LOS.

Rules for Sporecyst:


Instictive Fire: Each weapon on this model automatically fires at the nearest enemy unit within range and line of sight. the shots are resolved at the end of the shooting phase before morale checks are taken.
Each weapon can fire at a different target unit, but they cannot be fired in any other way or at any other (unit?)

Immobile Pod: A model with this special rule cannot move. It can never go to ground (voluntarily or otherwise) and cannot consolidate or make a sweeping advance.

Psychic Resonator: Any friendly Synapse creature within 6" of this model adds 6" to its synapse range.

Spore Node: A model with this special rule can produce a spore mine cluster (see codex nids) with three spore mines in the shooting phase, in addition to any attacks it makes. Place the spore mines wholly within 6" of the model, in unit coherency and not in impassible terrain or within 1" of an enemy model. After they are placed, the spore mines are treated as a seperate unit for the rest of the battle.

Once per battle, a Sporecyst can produce a single Mucolid Spore instead of a spore mine cluster. This is placed in the same way as a spore mine cluster.

OPTIONS:
May replace all 5 deathspiiter with one of the following:
5 barbed stranglers 25pts
5 venom cannons 25pts

Sporocyst can spawn sporemine clusters and once per battle can spawn a Mucolid

Very clever kit. Looks like you can make 1 transport pod or BOTH both of the other two.

Bloodhorror has it^

 xttz wrote:

 Bloodhorror wrote:
Gentlemen...

I Present the Muctolid AND the Sporocyst



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The Doom! Oh say it be so! It would be the best 2 weeks of Tyranid releases in the history of all that has ever been and all that will ever be.

 xttz wrote:

 Bloodhorror wrote:
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I Present the Muctolid AND the Sporocyst



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I suppose its too much to hope they mean a new mephiston model? BA are supposed to be out soon with a character getting a remodel. Mephiston is supposed to become LOW so heres hoping we'll see them before next year.

About time!

So I guess Zoanthropes, Single Unit Fexes, and Lictors just became awesome again?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Very clever kit. Looks like you can make 1 transport pod or BOTH both of the other two.

This is just so beautiful... If pricey. So much scratchbuilding coming up!

Guys. I am excited..... I like the mucolid... 15 points and can assault a flying vehicle with S8 AP3. the sporocyst looks nice, idk if id run it. then the transport?!?!?

then the preview for next week.... DOOM?! PLEASE!

Instinctive Fire Description: Each of the guns on these models automaticaly fires at the nearest visible enemy model. This is as simple as measuring from the muzzle of each gun to the nearest enemy units and finding out which is closest. If it's in range, just take the shot as normal.

So there we have it. Seems to imply slightly broader a fire arc than just 45 degrees, but probably cant shoot through itself right?

Edit: beat me to it...

 Lord Scythican wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:
Oh wow. That Sporocyst is a drastically different model. This is possibly the most interesting multi-model kit ever.

The Mucolids also look like D&D Grells.

Spoiler:

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