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 Alpharius wrote:


Wait - what?

Everything in this KS is hard plastic aside from metal characters?

Really?

Everything new by the looks of it. If it's been done it restic already it will stay that way for now and the older hard plastics such as M@A won't be updated here.

I doubt the larger new stuff (like the Molochs) will make it into hard plastic so some restic is to be expected which is fine in larger miniatures that generally are fielded in low numbers.

That's the Lower Abyssals locked and loaded.

So it looks like we will be spending the 1st chunk of this campaign funding the Abyssals. I suppose they will try to flesh them out to the point of the other army deals, and then jump to forces of nature or something that.

I think Abyssals, then a few characters or units for existing armies, then the Nature Boys/Girls/things

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 NTRabbit wrote:
Mantic said in the comments plastic movement trays from Renedra are one of the stretches, or a future add on at least

Those fit the bill for half of the units (20mm bases), but not for the large based stuff or the cavalry. Some 125x50 trays (cavalry) and 125x100 trays (infantry) would be very popular I think.

I use a lot of the Renedra ones, but I'd welcome larger ones. Not too chuffed about the shipping on this one. $15 for just the books? That's 30%, which is worse than most places that charge for percentages. They must be holding off on the $1 pledge level until later. Get people down now for $50 or $150, I guess.

Remember the shipping has to cover multiple waves

existing stuff, book and new stuff (since they're not loading extra shipping for add ons)

You can pledge $1, select "no reward" and still get into the PM, apparently.

 Azazelx wrote:
$15 for just the books? That's 30%, which is worse than most places that charge for percentages. They must be holding off on the $1 pledge level until later. Get people down now for $50 or $150, I guess.

I believe they're counting on more freebies at the $50 level unlocking.

 Alex C wrote:
You can pledge $1, select "no reward" and still get into the PM, apparently.

Ah, I was wondering where that was. When I saw no pledge level for $1 I was confused.

 .Mikes. wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
You can pledge $1, select "no reward" and still get into the PM, apparently.

Ah, I was wondering where that was. When I saw no pledge level for $1 I was confused.

Yeah, there's no $1 reward level, but you can still pledge just $1.

 Alpharius wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Restic isn't the great evil some make it out to be it's fine for low model count games but I wouldn't want to do a load of rank and file in it.

Exactly!

High model count armies in Mantic's 'restic' = nightmare time!

Agreed, but honestly, I really don't even want to deal with Restic for low model count games. I like the sculpts in DZ for my rebs and Forgefathers, but that's the only reason I'm not trading the restic figs right away. I'm going to watch this KS closely. There's a few units I'd like to own in polystyrene. If they get made in hard plastic, I'll add them to my pledge. Otherwise, I'm just going to stick to plastic.

Restic units almost always cost more per-fig and I just refuse to spend more for an inferior product.

Quick question for you KoW players- what are Orcs like? Any good? I figured I may as well get an Orc army since I'm getting a great deal of them in Dungeon Saga..

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Remember the shipping has to cover multiple waves
existing stuff, book and new stuff (since they're not loading extra shipping for add ons)

I mean the rulebook-only pledge. That's one wave.

For other stuff, it's more understandable. To an extent. Except that if you're ordering an existing army off Mantic (like the ones shown earlier), they'll mail it to you post-free, rather than for $40.


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 judgedoug wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
$15 for just the books? That's 30%, which is worse than most places that charge for percentages. They must be holding off on the $1 pledge level until later. Get people down now for $50 or $150, I guess.

I believe they're counting on more freebies at the $50 level unlocking.

I can't see that many freebies for the $50 rules-only level, to be honest. The counters for example are rubbish (I have the DZ ones) and they look a lot nicer in photos than in-hand. I'll stick to using dice for wound counters and disrupted.

To be clear - if I were in the US or UK where the shipping is free, it'd be a much more appealing deal. The difference in shipping is pretty bad here, though - especially as a UK-based company I can easily get any of their stuff for retail-10% (at minimum) with free shipping. (Remember, their UK prices are better than their US prices). If I were making a huge order, sure. But then again, it's almost all existing stock (which would be free postage) or a $40 surcharge on the new stuff So wait for retail (and get it faster - maybe?) and free postage anyway...


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 angelofvengeance wrote:
Quick question for you KoW players- what are Orcs like? Any good? I figured I may as well get an Orc army since I'm getting a great deal of them in Dungeon Saga..

Orcs are a good army in KoW. If you like the Mantic figures, they're even better!

I like the devils. They remind me of Diablo imps. Looks like I am on board for the Abyssal mega army so far.

 Azazelx wrote:
Orcs are a good army in KoW. If you like the Mantic figures, they're even better!

Looks like the Blackrock clan will rise up in Mantica....

I like the body designs, but I hate the faces. If I get these, I'm replacing them with bloodletter heads.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Quick question for you KoW players- what are Orcs like? Any good? I figured I may as well get an Orc army since I'm getting a great deal of them in Dungeon Saga..

Remember to check out the existing retail armies. They're also very good prices, though lack the "elite" units I'm seeing in the KS armies.

Thanks to everyone who're working on the point values and army lists!

The Abyssals have always given me a Diablo vibe too.

I'll be a happy camper if they end up including all those possible pieces on the sprue as well.

They also mentioned in the comments that the DS Abyssals will most likely be totally different sculpts, so that's a good thing for those of us who sprang for both.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Quick question for you KoW players- what are Orcs like? Any good? I figured I may as well get an Orc army since I'm getting a great deal of them in Dungeon Saga..

A bit of a glass hammer really. Their infantry is rock solid with Crushing Strength (1) and Defence 5 (most infantry won't get Crushing Strength with a Defence as high as 5), and their elites have CS2. Their units are relatively cheap and rely on overwhelming the enemy through high numbers of rock hard infantry. They have access to some faster units, such as Gore Riders and Chariots which again come in large numbers.

They also have one of the best units in the game - the Winged Slasher. Get that guy behind enemy lines and he will kill a regiment or horde every single turn with a rear or flank charge. Every player to go up against one will only ever make the mistake of letting it behind lines once - and they'll remember that it killed half their entire army by itself after that. Just the threat of one on a flank can screw over an enemies battle plan.

When an Orc battleline hits yours, it hurts. In terms of melee damage, Orcs score a massive 11/10 on the scale of 1 being a light tickling by a pansy elf, to 10 being OHMYGODWERESOSCREWEDANDGOINGTODIEHORRIBLY.

They have two main weaknesses though; next to no shooting and low nerve. They don't have any war engines. They have very few archers. They don't have a wizard/shaman (though that may change with 2nd ed). They don't have any way of really attacking anything, or at least putting significant damage on it, without getting up in its face and murdering it with hundreds of axes. Their low nerve can be a struggle. This means that even though they're defence 5 and take less damage than most races, when they do then they will run away quicker. Glass hammer. If you hit, you will absolutely destroy them. BUT, a cunning enemy can dance around you with faster units while whittling you down with ranged firepower.

ced1106 wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Quick question for you KoW players- what are Orcs like? Any good? I figured I may as well get an Orc army since I'm getting a great deal of them in Dungeon Saga..

Remember to check out the existing retail armies. They're also very good prices, though lack the "elite" units I'm seeing in the KS armies.
Thanks to everyone who're working on the point values and army lists!

http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/orcs/product/garlaks-barbarous-horde-mega-army-96-figures.html

I have stayed away from Mantic KS in the past. I have to admit, I am ready to jump on this one. The fact that the armies will ship before the new books make this seem an attractive purchase. I have admired the Abyssal Dwarfs since I saw them at Adepticon a few years ago.

I might go for the Dwarfs and the Abyssal Dwarfs . It don't like the dwarf heads but I could always get some Drakkarim heads from the Forgefathers and spruce them up.

Hard plastic demons might also tempt me. Come on Mantic, don't Men At Arms this one.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I like the body designs, but I hate the faces. If I get these, I'm replacing them with bloodletter heads.

If not for how much of a hassle the chains would be, the Maniac look would be a nice approach.

So, I jumped in on this kickstarter because I was on at the right time for an early bird.

I imagine I'll either drop out later on though, or at least, drop down to just the hardback book and assorted individual models.

I have to say that the the high ROW shipping absolutely kills this campaign for me, im not a fan of the Abyssals and i already own a massive amount of KOW models so right now i'm only interested in a few of the new hero models. But if Mantic actually expects me to pay a total of $40 shipping if i happen to pledge more than $50 on a handful of metal models that will easily fit into a small padded envelope then i'm simply not going to waste my time or money on this kickstarter.

Sadly it seems like Mantic have tailored the ROW shipping costs exclusively around people purchasing multiple large army deals while completely screwing over anyone who is only interested in a smaller pledge.

Probably will end up at just the books and any attractive add-on-Wednesday goodies. Though the abyssals are looking better and better.

I'm curious about going in on this and picking up some starter armies, especially as more of their stuff is going into hard plastic. I used to have a VC army that used their ghouls and zombies.....and their plastics are fantastic. However, the Deadzone stuff I got was garbage (restic is soooo bad). I've heard the KoW rules are fantastic, so that is a draw to go in as well.

I really do like their Abyssal Dwarves, but the other army I was interested in (Kingdoms of Men), doesn't seem to have any future plans for models. It would be really nice if Mantic just worked something out with the Perry Brothers and put together some sort of Army deal with some of their War of the Roses Archers/Billmen/Foot Knights. I would probably go in on this then.

As it stands I'll probably wait and pick up the rules down the road and If I like them pick up an Abyssal Dwarf and Perry Kingdoms of men army.

Any word on whether there will be hard plastic fantasy terrain at any point in the campaign?

I believe the response to the terrain question has been "sorry, not this time".

So probably in a forthcoming campaign. Remember, this one was supposed to be just the books, and then maybe the Abyssals and Nature armies.


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Mr Gutsy wrote:
I have to say that the the high ROW shipping absolutely kills this campaign for me, im not a fan of the Abyssals and i already own a massive amount of KOW models so right now i'm only interested in a few of the new hero models. But if Mantic actually expects me to pay a total of $40 shipping if i happen to pledge more than $50 on a handful of metal models that will easily fit into a small padded envelope then i'm simply not going to waste my time or money on this kickstarter.
Sadly it seems like Mantic have tailored the ROW shipping costs exclusively around people purchasing multiple large army deals while completely screwing over anyone who is only interested in a smaller pledge.

I'm basically in agreement, but barring any exclusives, you're probably better off getting any metal heroes, etc once they hit retail anyway. They were the least competitive (with retail) items in their last few KS campaigns.

Anyway, it's slightly more than $15/$40 shipping when you consider that US and UK backers have "free shipping" factored into the KS pledge prices, unless anyone thinks that internal US/UK shipping is free from RM/UK couriers/USPS/UPS...

I'm new to KoW so I'm looking at getting 2 starter armies to try it out with but I'm not sure the kick starter is worth it. Looking at the current 2 player starter set the Undead part is exactly the same while the Orc one is a bit rubbish. The 2 player set is £50 and can be gotten cheaper while the kickstarter is $100 extra after the books which is ~£60. I don't really need both a small and big rulebook either.

Presumably there will be a new 2 player set with the new rules at some point although it might have races I might like less. Maybe it's worth waiting patiently or just getting the currently set, I'm not really sure?