Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)

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**TheAuldGrump**

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Baragash wrote:
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Incidentally, I don't suppose you could answer my questions re: "big kit" style center-piece models? Again, not looking to turn the game into "better WFB: The Rules", but including profiles for one-off, impressive center-piece models would be fun.

It's something Mantic want to do, and it's really just a case of not being able to do everything at once.

"When", not "if "

Well, isn't the 2nd Ed. book the perfect time to include those profiles in army lists?

God... wouldn't that be irony... if I used GW models as proxies until Mantic could release theirs? ;-)

Heh, about half of the armies in my group are Warhammer armies repurposed.

No reason that they can't be used in both.

Most armies in the group are a mix of figures from all over - Reaper, Avatars of War, GW, Mantic, even some ancient Grenadier. (In the case of my dwarfs.)

Undead seems to be where Mantic is used most - their plastic undead are pretty sweet.

The Auld Grump

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Starter Army values so far (based on mantic website as best I can, NOT online discounters or bundle deals, please check the value for yourself before backing!)

Undead £42.46

Dwarf £45.46

Elf £55.45

Orc £52.46 (approx)

Abyssal Dwarf £52.46

Goblin £51.46

Basilean £57.46

Ogre £40.97

Force of the Abyss £21.84

**RoninXiC**

remember folks, pounds are not us dollar

Kickstarter prices are 100$ and the mega armies listed a few posts ago are 110-150 POUNDS.

150 pounds are roughly 235$

**DaveC**

Orlando wouldn't the Forces of the Abyss (as unlocked to date) be £37.48 or there abouts - 30 Lower Abyssals/Magi £14.99 for 20 in plastic so £22.49 for 30? (they don't seem to do sets of 10 so I just halved the 20 box cost) plus 10 Gargolyes at £14.99

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

TheAuldGrump wrote:
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Baragash wrote:
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Incidentally, I don't suppose you could answer my questions re: "big kit" style center-piece models? Again, not looking to turn the game into "better WFB: The Rules", but including profiles for one-off, impressive center-piece models would be fun.

It's something Mantic want to do, and it's really just a case of not being able to do everything at once.

"When", not "if "

Well, isn't the 2nd Ed. book the perfect time to include those profiles in army lists?

God... wouldn't that be irony... if I used GW models as proxies until Mantic could release theirs? ;-)
Heh, about half of the armies in my group are Warhammer armies repurposed. No reason that they can't be used in both.

Most armies in the group are a mix of figures from all over - Reaper, Avatars of War, GW, Mantic, even some ancient Grenadier. (In the case of my dwarfs.)

Undead seems to be where Mantic is used most - their plastic undead are pretty sweet.

The Auld Grump

We've got weird groups around here.

Most 40k players, for example, represented all ages, genders, etc... and are very casual in terms of WYSIWYG, Forge-World, etc... and yet there is one local game-shop with the crazies who demand 100% WYSIWYG or they will damn near flip-tables, while also telling you which of your models are unfairly OP while theirs are obviously always fine.

In terms of WFB, the local player-base seems to be sadly the later in mind. They are almost exclusively an older group of grognards who will laugh you out of the store if you show up with even one non-GW model. And as the sole local Mantic guy, it falls on me to build/start Mantic game communities in our part of New York. Hell, I had to give away, out of my own pocket (well... Mantic credit), dozens of Dreadball teams just to build and retain the maybe six-eight player group I now maintain.

**adamsouza**

I'm pretty sure the Forces of The Abyss army deals will grow over the coming stretch goals until it is comperable to the other army deals.

**lord_blackfang**

Can't believe TGN hasn't even had a news piece about this yet. I submitted an article just now.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

DaveC wrote:
Orlando wouldn't the Forces of the Abyss (as unlocked to date) be £37.48 or there abouts - 30 Lower Abyssals/Magi £14.99 for 20 in plastic so £22.49 for 30? (they don't seem to do sets of 10 so I just halved the 20 box cost) plus 10 Gargolyes at £14.99

While they probably will end up as 20 Lower Abyssals/Magi for £14.99

at the moment the only actual price point I have is the KS price 20 for £9.57 ($15) (+ £5.11 ($8) for the Champion which is added to the mega army only ) which is what basing the numbers on

I could add estimated post KS costs for this force if folk think it's a good idea?

**The Division Of Joy**

So the sprued plastic is for one army only? I will have to pass then :(

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Decide what you're interested in and ask and folk can tell you what the material is for the units in that deal

most will be a mix of sprued plastic and restic, with a bit of metal throw in too,

but
some like the undead and elves are mainly sprued
some like the ogres are mainly restic

**The Division Of Joy**

Would be either the undead or goblins tbf. Although I've seen mantic goblins.....

Undead, I'll go for undead. Is there restic in the mega army?

**adamsouza**

Two pages earlier in this thread

Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
For those of you new to KOW/ Mantics Fantasy Line here is a list of what materials the units in the mega armies (and thus the starter armies, which have the same units) are made from.

Key:
HIPS =Hard Impact Plastic Sprues
RP =Resin Plastic (sometimes referred to as restic)
HYB =Hybrid metal and plastic
M =Metal.

Undead Mega Starter Army:

40 Skeletons =HIPS
20 Ghouls =HIPS
40 Zombies = HIPS
10 Wraiths =RP
3 Werewolves =RP
20 Revenants =HIPS

Dwarf Mega Starter Army

40 Ironclad =HIPS
40Ironclad =HIPS
20 Shieldbreakers =HIPS
10 Brock Riders =RP
2 Ironbelchers =HIPS
1 Bombard =HYB

Elf Mega Starter Army
10 Stormwind Cavalry =RP
40 Archers =HIPS
40 Spearmen =HIPS
2 Bolt Throwers =HIPS
20 SCouts =HIPS
20 Palace Guard =RP

Orc Mega Starter Army
40 Orc Ax =HIPS
20 Greatax =HIPS
3 ORC Chariots =RP (HIPS Crew)
1 Fight Wagon =RP (HIPS Crew)
3 Trolls =RP
10 Goreriders =RP

Abyssal Dwarf Mega Starter Army
40 Immortal Guard =RP
10 Gargoyles =RP
10 Halfbreeds =RP
2 Angkor Mortars =HYB
3 Lesser Golems =RP
10 Slave Orcs =HIPS (slaver and beasty are HYB).

Goblin Mega Starter Army
20 Spitters = HIPS
20 Rabble = HIPS
20 Sharpsticks =HYB
10 Fleabags =RP
6 Trolls =RP
2 Mincers =RP
2 War Trombones =M

Basilean Mega Army
40 Men at Arms (Droopy HIPS)20 Paladins =RP
10 Knights =RP
20 Panther Lancers =RP
10 Sisters =RP
6 Elohi =RP

Ogre Mega Starter Army:
6 Ogre Shooters =RP
12 Ogre Warriors =RP
3 Ogre Chariots =RP
40 Red Goblins =HIPS1 Ogre Hero =RP

Hope that is of help to somebody.

So for Rich S I would say avoid the Basileans and Abyssal Dwarfs, the Orcs (only big minis and cavalry)/Elves and Dwarfs would be your best bet.

**The Division Of Joy**

Cheers! Should whack that in the OP

**RobertsMinis**

The Wraiths are super models, I wouldn't worry about what material they are in. The Werewolves need a bit of love when prepping but look great when painted.

Disclaimer. I don't mind restic, in fact, I would say that to a certain degree I actually like working with it - I find cleaning and prepping models very relaxing (through I have raged quit on the odd restic model). I don't think it is the evil that some people make it out to be.

**Azazelx**

The Division Of Joy wrote:
Would be either the undead or goblins tbf. Although I've seen mantic goblins.....

Undead, I'll go for undead. Is there restic in the mega army?

To be fair - the wraiths aren't bad. They predate their first KoW KS. The werewolves aren't bad either, though it depends if you like their particular aesthetic. If they add undead cavalry later, they're also "good" restic - and again predate the bad stuff from the first KS.

**agnosto**

Azazelx wrote:
The Division Of Joy wrote:
Would be either the undead or goblins tbf. Although I've seen mantic goblins.....

Undead, I'll go for undead. Is there restic in the mega army?

To be fair - the wraiths aren't bad. They predate their first KoW KS. The werewolves aren't bad either, though it depends if you like their particular aesthetic. If they add undead cavalry later, they're also "good" restic - and again predate the bad stuff from the first KS.

You ordering another 20kg box?

**Daedleh**

RobertsMinis wrote:
The Wraiths are super models, I wouldn't worry about what material they are in. The Werewolves need a bit of love when prepping but look great when painted.

Disclaimer. I don't mind restic, in fact, I would say that to a certain degree I actually like working with it - I find cleaning and prepping models very relaxing (through I have raged quit on the odd restic model). I don't think it is the evil that some people make it out to be.

Restic works fine on either chunkier models (like the Ogres) or minis with fewer pieces (Undead restic stuff). Mold lines are nowhere near as bad as people make out (and yes I'm aware that you can cherry pick a few bad casts) and it's only fiddly models with tiny pieces that Restic falls apart on (oh god the enforcers).

**Thraxas Of Turai**

I agree with Azazelx, the Wraiths are fine to deal with in restic the fact that a couple are single piece miniatures helps as well. The sculpts are unfussy and are suited to the material, where restic really falls down is small detail and mould lines. With the 20 odd restic Wraiths that I own the mould lines were minimal to non-existent. The Werewolves, like most bigger miniatures, are quite well suited to the material.

As for the hard plastic Zombies/Ghouls and Skeletons they are great kits full of customisation and interchangeable possibilities.

Damn it, having already painted and sold an all mantic KOW 4000 point Undead army I may just be talking myself into buying another one.

**adamsouza**

Thraxas Of Turai wrote:

Damn it, having already painted and sold an all mantic KOW 4000 point Undead army I may just be talking myself into buying another one.

They have this nice deal going for a Hardcover Rulebook and undead army going on

**Thraxas Of Turai**

@Adam Souza: Mhorgoth The Faceless being included would be the deal breaker.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

The Division Of Joy wrote:
Cheers! Should whack that in the OP

Good Idea,

I shall add it

Edit: It's been MODed in already, cheers

**Thraxas Of Turai**

@Orlando just an error I have spotted in my original list, Goblin rabble are HYB not HIPS.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
@Orlando just a couple of errors I have spotted in my original list, Goblin rabble are HYB not HIPS and the Ogre Chariots are HYB rather than RP.

Also some of the HYB models are resin plastic and metal rather than HIPS and metal (such as the ogre chariots).

Cool, I've change the info in the OP

**.Mikes.**

Someone on another forum brought up that they didn't like the to and fro of combat (charge in, step back an inch, other side charge in, step back and inch etc etc). Does anyone know if there have been any changes to this aspect of combat? I don't have an issue with this, btu I thought I'd ask.

**Azazelx**

agnosto wrote:
Azazelx wrote:
The Division Of Joy wrote:
Would be either the undead or goblins tbf. Although I've seen mantic goblins.....

Undead, I'll go for undead. Is there restic in the mega army?

To be fair - the wraiths aren't bad. They predate their first KoW KS. The werewolves aren't bad either, though it depends if you like their particular aesthetic. If they add undead cavalry later, they're also "good" restic - and again predate the bad stuff from the first KS.

You ordering another 20kg box?

Heh, nope. I've got a ton of their undead as it is. (And most of that 20kg was scenery, anyway!)

**scarletsquig**

.Mikes. wrote:
Someone on another forum brought up that they didn't like the to and fro of combat (charge in, step back an inch, other side charge in, step back and inch etc etc). Does anyone know if there have been any changes to this aspect of combat? I don't have an issue with this, btu I thought I'd ask.

Minor change allowing units to always countercharge against a unit that attacked in a previous turn even if flank or rear charged.

Makes flank and rear charges more of a one-shot thing, or setup for a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario where you could charge that annoying unit of flyers in your rear, but doing do would expose the rear of the unit to another threat.

**.Mikes.**

Cool, thanks SS. I could see that taking some of the grind out of combat.

Edit: Actually, on the surface that should make unit musicians and standards more important. I like it.

**Daedleh**

.Mikes. wrote:
Cool, thanks SS. I could see that taking some of the grind out of combat.

Edit: Actually, on the surface that should make unit musicians and standards more important. I like it.

Except musicians and standards are being removed as in-game upgrades...

**Azazelx**

Confirmed for reals? I like it. I make an effort to include both in my forces - generally speaking but they can be a nightmare to track down or convert in some instances.

**.Mikes.**

Daedleh wrote:
.Mikes. wrote:
Cool, thanks SS. I could see that taking some of the grind out of combat.

Edit: Actually, on the surface that should make unit musicians and standards more important. I like it.

Except musicians and standards are being removed as in-game upgrades...

Really? So what's the deal there?