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Yeah I want that. I don't want to spend another fifteen dollars but it's going to happen.


Or... I could read the whole post and realize I'm getting one just as long as I stay in for the book.


SCORE!

Very nice even the book only pledges get Blaine for free.

they also bumped up the contents of the forces of the abyss

Forces of the Abyss Starter Army ($50)

- 40 Lower Abyssals/Lower Abyssal Magi

- 20 Succubi

- 10 Gargoyles

Forces of the Abyss Mega-Starter army ($100)

- 1 Abyssal Champion with alternate components

- 80 Lower Abyssals/Lower Abyssal Magi

- 40 Succubi

- 10 Gargoyles

 GrimDork wrote:
Yeah I want that. I don't want to spend another fifteen dollars but it's going to happen.


Or... I could read the whole post and realize I'm getting one just as long as I stay in for the book.


SCORE!

He's free with the right pledge

Getting a monster cavalry character free with every pledge is pretty amazing, and Mantic's real resin resin is really good, so thumbs up on this.

Yeah I saw that after reading the update. This is awesome, full hardback plus softback gamer edition plus FREAKING BLAINE for 50 bucks. Hardcore awesomeness.

So looking at the abyssal forces... sounds like they're done huh? I mean the mega starter is basically the same size as the others. I wonder if some other demon units will be add-on wednesday offerings, or maybe funded through the kickstarter but not freebies involved in the demon army.

Also with the $150K goal hit you can now add a unit of 20 succubi to your pledge for $15.

The current Abyssal army deals stand at:

Forces of the Abyss Starter Army ($50)
- 40 Lower Abyssals/Lower Abyssal Magi
- 20 Succubi
- 10 Gargoyles

Forces of the Abyss Mega-Starter army ($100)
- 1 Abyssal Champion with alternate components
- 80 Lower Abyssals/Lower Abyssal Magi
- 40 Succubi
- 10 Gargoyles

That's a great update, and pretty much cemented me staying in until the end.

Don't forget the counters and apps in the 50 dollars as well

Yep, I'll eat light for a week or two to ensure I can stay in for the book and extras. I mean if it comes down to it

If we're getting 80 and 40 of these unproven sprues for the abyssal army a wait and see policy may be best.

I can't read. Ignore.

It is pretty cool, at this rate even the basic $50 pledge has really good value.

Shouldn't have any trouble hitting this goal quick either.

fwiw, I got a confirmation that they will have a $1 add-on level, but not if Blaine will be included if you make a $1 add-on pledge and take a $50 add-on:

That Blaine concept is pretty sweet.

Don't tempt me, Frodo!

New values for the Forces of the Abyss based on KS pricing only,

£96.55 Mega Army

£45.77 Starter Army

post KS the value will probably be equivalent to the other armies assuming the £14.99 for a single sprue or £24.99 for 2 sprues in a box so people wanting these are probably safe to have them as an army (rather than an add on) choice now

 Da Boss wrote:
That Blaine concept is pretty sweet.

Don't tempt me, Frodo!

You'll get a nice resin mini and a nice rule book for a few euros. What's the worst that could happen?

 RobertsMinis wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
That Blaine concept is pretty sweet.

Don't tempt me, Frodo!

You'll get a nice resin mini and a nice rule book for a few euros. What's the worst that could happen?

He ends up with the nice resin mini, the nice rule book, and four really nice mega armies?

Come to think of it where did 80 lower Abyssals in the $100 mega army come from, is that a typo or did Mantic increase them?

40 abyssals at the $110k goal, followed by 20 magi at the $120 goal, and the Abyssal Champion, gargoyles and succubi were added after, so 60 right?

It may or may not have originally been a typo, but it's official now.

Creator Mantic Games 17 minutes ago
@ Alex - I decided to bump the numbers a little. Power to the people!

Nah they bumped them up, there are 40 succubi in there now too. It may be a way of finishing the army regardless of funding, it's possible that new units will get swapped back in, or that given the hard plastic kickstarter funded nature of them they may still add some more units to it too.

Not a mistake Rolt they decided to bump the number to 80 rather than 60, it's logical really otherwise it would be better to buy 2 starters

Comparing it to other mega armies, I would expect a 3-man ogre-type unit to be added eventually.

 Daedleh wrote:

If I give a troop of Orc ax a standard, then they cost 90 points and effectively have a nerve of 11/13. Except a Regiment of 15 costs 90 points and has a nerve of 12/14. If I give a Regiment a standard then it has an effective nerve of 13/15 and costs 105 points, except a Krudgiment costs 100 and has a nerve of 13/15.

So the points for the various Orc units are improperly costed. That's been a day one issue. Interestingly, buffing hordes with command makes them worth taking.

Hmmm. God damnit.

I will probably end up backing this...

Those Abyssals are worth owning, right?

^The most recent hard plastic offerings from Mantic are looking really good. They probably are worth owning.

I'm probably gonna get some myself =/

Cool thanks for the confirmation guys, I might just be down for a Abyssal mega army then...

Mantic also suggested that they may be adding more to the mega armies too. Nothing concrete but they usually don't suggest they'll do things and then not do them.

Which is frightening, Grimdork, especially if more gets added to the Ogre army, I could be tempted. Mantic really are Succubi!!!

 judgedoug wrote:

 Daedleh wrote:

If I give a troop of Orc ax a standard, then they cost 90 points and effectively have a nerve of 11/13. Except a Regiment of 15 costs 90 points and has a nerve of 12/14. If I give a Regiment a standard then it has an effective nerve of 13/15 and costs 105 points, except a Krudgiment costs 100 and has a nerve of 13/15.

So the points for the various Orc units are improperly costed. That's been a day one issue. Interestingly, buffing hordes with command makes them worth taking.

No, Orc units are properly costed. They're in line with everything else. I can point out numerous other examples throughout the army lists showing command, particularly standards, to be a very poor value for points. Any troop>regiment comparison shows how expensive standards are. Greatax troop>regiment costs 25 points for +3 nerve compared to 15 points for +1 nerve (and the regiment is solid). Shieldwall troop>regiment is 20 points for +3 nerve. Foot Guard troop>regiment is 25 points for +3 nerve. Zombie Horde>Swarm is 25 points for +3 nerve. Do I need to keep going? Standards are overpriced. Musicians are useful for some high damage units, but don't stack so you certainly don't want them on every unit.

How does buffing hordes with command made them worth taking if they weren't before? It just makes them 25 points more expensive. You could take two regiments, one with a musician, for that cost and they'd be tougher and give you more units.

Question for anyone in the know: if someone epldges $1 so they can take advantage of the post-chrimble add on, and adds $50 to the the manager for the two rulebook pledge level, are they still eligible for an applicable stretch goals?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Comparing it to other mega armies, I would expect a 3-man ogre-type unit to be added eventually.

Aren't the Molochs pretty much fitting that bill? I'd assume restic for those.