Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)

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**Daedleh**

Last I heard they won't be restic, but I strongly suspect that Molochs will be added to the deal.

**Riquende**

.Mikes. wrote:
Question for anyone in the know: if someone epldges $1 so they can take advantage of the post-chrimble add on, and adds $50 to the the manager for the two rulebook pledge level, are they still eligible for an applicable stretch goals?

You'd have to ask in the comments for definite clarification, but according to the wording on the update (which isn't necessarily accurate) you wouldn't get Blaine or the counters, which both specify the $50 pledge level rather than just $50.

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Daedleh wrote:
Last I heard they won't be restic, but I strongly suspect that Molochs will be added to the deal.

Oh they're definitely happening here, let's not be coy about it... I'm curious on the material though.

**DaveC**

Daedleh wrote:
Last I heard they won't be restic, but I strongly suspect that Molochs will be added to the deal.

Interesting that leaves HIPS - I doubt it would be worth it for the sales they would generate but I suppose one sprue with options, 3 of the same sprue in a set or metal too heavy I'd say or resin more expensive/time consuming or the same boardgame plastics from DS. I'll be impressed if they go HIPS

**Alpharius**

That Blaine on Lizard artwork is nice looking!

All you Highlords out there are now officially free to Highlord it up!

**Riquende**

Oh, and I forgot to do the obligatory "I'm in for..." post.

So I'm in for a rulebook (because it's a great system and I like the sound of all the changes thus far. Hell, I think I invented one of the big ones years back on the Mantic forum, but I'd have to look into my history to find that post).

Happily I'm not in the market for a ton of new figures to paint, so I can ignore the army deals (and damn you Mantic for including Blaine in the book deal), looking forward to seeing what addons happen though, just in case there's anything too good to pass up on.

**lord_blackfang**

Riquende wrote:
looking forward to seeing what addons happen though, just in case there's anything too good to pass up on.

If plastic succubi don't do it for you, I don't know if anything can!

**Daedleh**

Riquende wrote:
Oh they're definitely happening here, let's not be coy about it... I'm curious on the material though.

Oh yeah there's no doubt they'll actually happen - it's just a question of whether they'll be added to the deal or not. I reckon they will be, but it depends what else they're planning to tool for Abyssals. I don't want to say for definite what material they are, just that last time I heard it wasn't going to be restic.

**adamsouza**

I don't there has been a Mantic KS that didn't add heavily to the original pledge levels. I'm pretty sure all the mega army deals will be 20+ models stronger by the end of this.

I'm now in for $150 to get the Rule Book + Abyss Mega Army

**Joyboozer**

Have mantic ever considered running a Blaine kickstarter and just adding games/ armies as addons? Seriously, how many Blaine's do people need? Does he come from a village like the Smurfs where everything is Blainey?
Blaine.

**GrimDork**

No but as an extra dimensional traveler he really tends to get around.

Take that how you wanna, you know Blaine will.

Oooh best idea evar... Quick I need some Blaine catchphrases or witty remarks, I've been meaning to make myself a nerdshirt with the airbrush and this just fits the bill. I can't blaine you for staring (with a blaine photo in the middle), obviously all Blaine shirts need fire on the back as he's perpetually walking away from explosions.

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

Hey guys... just to share some Dakka love and my fondness for this place, I did want to let you know that i'm currently talking with Ronnie about the possibility of doing something very cool for Kings of War that was suggested in this very thread.

Fingers crossed he gives me the go ahead, but it would make a couple of you pretty happy.

**Paradigm**

I actually think Blaine could be the star of a really awesome comic or novel series where he just wanders around the various Mantic-verses kicking arse and blowing stuff up. Oh, and riding a T-Rex, because why the hell not!

Well, I'd read it!

Alternatively, they could do something where every universe has a Blaine, and some force brings them all together to, er, kill loads of stuff!

**GrimDork**

@NTM You gonna write us a book perhaps?

@Para, I would totally read it too

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

Paradigm wrote:
I actually think Blaine could be the star of a really awesome comic or novel series where he just wanders around the various Mantic-verses kicking arse and blowing stuff up. Oh, and riding a T-Rex, because why the hell not!

Well, I'd read it!

Alternatively, they could do something where every universe has a Blaine, and some force brings them all together to, er, kill loads of stuff!

*cough, cough*

**squall018**

This will be my first Blaine mini. I'm pretty excited about it.

Also, totally down with the Blaine comic idea. Hope something comes of that.

**DaveC**

Hmmm I guess I'll be getting the foot version of Blaine from DS in resin now as well Mantic hinted it would have KoW rules too.

**Theophony**

GrimDork wrote:
No but as an extra dimensional traveler he really tends to get around.

Take that how you wanna, you know Blaine will.

Oooh best idea evar... Quick I need some Blaine catchphrases or witty remarks, I've been meaning to make myself a nerdshirt with the airbrush and this just fits the bill. I can't blaine you for staring (with a blaine photo in the middle), obviously all Blaine shirts need fire on the back as he's perpetually walking away from explosions.

"Don't Blaine me, I just lite the fuze

"

"Blowing stuff up is just Blaine fun"

**Nostromodamus**

GrimDork wrote:
No but as an extra dimensional traveler he really tends to get around.

Take that how you wanna, you know Blaine will.

Oooh best idea evar... Quick I need some Blaine catchphrases or witty remarks, I've been meaning to make myself a nerdshirt with the airbrush and this just fits the bill. I can't blaine you for staring (with a blaine photo in the middle), obviously all Blaine shirts need fire on the back as he's perpetually walking away from explosions.

"I've traversed the multiverse and all I got was this t-shirt"

"Blainiac"

"Insane in the memblaine"

"I like to play the Blaine game"

"You're so Blaine, you probably think this shirt is about you"

"Blaine: The omnidimensional Chuck Norris"

"I ain't got time to bleed"

"Ol' Painless is waitin'..."

"This place makes Nexus Psi look like Old Earth..."

**adamsouza**

Blaine's species are all clones. They figured once they achieved perfection there was no need for genetic diversity.

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Fear of spiders is aracnaphobia, fear of tight spaces is chlaustraphobia, fear of Blaine is called Logic

Blaine has a grizzly bear carpet in his room. The bear isn’t dead it is just afriad to move.

Blaine died 20 years ago, Death just hasn’t built up the courage to tell him yet.

Some magicans can walk on water, Blaine can swim through land.

Blaine can cut through a hot knife with butter

Blaine once urinated in a semi truck’s gas tank as a joke….that truck is now known as Optimus Prime

Death once had a near-Blaine experience

Blaine counted to infinity – twice.

Once an Enforcer pulled over Blaine….the Enforcer was lucky to leave with a warning.

Blaine will never have a heart attack. His heart isn’t nearly foolish enough to attack him.

Blaine once won a game of Connect Four in only three moves

Blaine can light a fire by rubbing two ice-cubes together.

Blaine does not sleep. He waits.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

And the clear winner is

Alex C wrote:

"Blaine: The omnidimensional Chuck Norris"

**GrimDork**

I forgot how amusing chuck norris jokes are

Hmm some prime candidates for shirts too.

**AlexHolker**

Alex C wrote:
"Blaine: The omnidimensional Chuck Norris"

A loser propped up by a meme-spouting mob?

**adamsouza**

Why would anyone in the Mantic Universe know who Chuck Norris is ?

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

adamsouza wrote:
Why would anyone in the Mantic Universe know who Chuck Norris is ?

Why wouldn't they? ;-)

**Nostromodamus**

adamsouza wrote:
Why would anyone in the Mantic Universe know who Chuck Norris is ?

It's for a t-shirt.

I doubt Grimdork lives in Mantica and is posting to Dakka via a trans-dimensional internet connection.

Right?

**carlos13th**

Don't Blaine it on the sunshine
Don't Blaine it on the moonlight
Don't Blane it on the good times
Blane it on the boogie.

**Tanakosyke22**

Daedleh wrote:

Tanakosyke22 wrote:
Since I am starting to get into Kings of War now, how competitively good is a mixed Orc and Undead army? How competitively good is Kingdoms of Men if done in a Mediveal Crusader style? I ask because those are the two armies I have in mind fluff-wise for my army, but I was wondering how much the difficulty curve is for each army.

I don't know about the allied Orcs & Undead. Some elements from the Undead army (Werewolves) would be useful to counter the relative lack of anti-war engine units that Orcs have, but I think the two styles would clash. Orcs need to get into combat as soon as possible because they're such a glass hammer, but Undead are much slower than Orcs. Trying to screen Orcs with Undead tarpits like Zombies would just mean the Orcs moving slower and getting picked off before they get to combat.

KoM is an extremely flexible list that can do pretty much any style of play you want.

All 3 armies are up there in terms of "competitiveness" on their own in 1st edition, but 2nd edition will see some pretty big balance changes anyway so there won't be competitive and uncompetitive armies. I'm not naive enough to think that we'll get perfect balance, but we are definitely going to get it to the point where you're never penalised or on the back foot for choosing certain units (or even certain armies) over another. Having said that, the two styles of Orcs and Undead seem to clash a bit and I don't think there'll be much synergy to take advantage of. KoM will definitely be the easier of the two styles to learn, just because you won't be learning how to overcome the alliances clash of styles.

So Orcs and Undead would a 'skornergy (as the warmahordes circles would put it)' going for them? I might pick up more of my KoM idea then for a while if it does not change too much. Still want to give the idea a go for a Orc/Undead alliance, but I do not want to tinker with it too much until I get a good handle on the rules and game more.

Daedleh wrote:

Tanakosyke22 wrote:
I was thinking slightly cavalry-heavy Crusaders to start with support troops like Crossbow men and Trebuches with some Infantry to clean up and/or tarpit then. Kind of Brettonia-esque, but more emphasis on a somewhat balanced force.

Cavalry and trebuchets are very, very powerful in the current edition They'll be toned down a bit in the new edition, but still more than playable.

Thinking ahead you would be peppering the enemy with your crossbows and trebuchets while your cavalry wing swings down a flank. You might want to keep some melee infantry or cavalry with your ranged units for protection against enemy cavalry, or be accepted to lose them quickly (within 3/4 turns). Your cavalry will need to pick targets of opportunity and make sure they don't get bogged down in a protracted fight. Punch a hole in the enemy lines (with your ranged units targetting enemy models nearby to disrupt their counter-charge), get behind the enemy and start mopping up.

Yeah, I was thinking along the lines like that. Only issue later on finding a good Trebuchet model I can get my hands on. I know I can possibly custom make my own or look on Amazon/Ebay/Swap shop for the GW one, but I am not that skilled with custom builds or get a expensive GW model. Since I already have the Sargeants-at-Arms kit from Fireforge (made a troop of Mounted Scouts and Mounted Sergeants out of it), next on my buy list for KoM is one of the Fireforge Knights kits and the Men-at-Arms. That is after I get some money to buy more carrying cases and finishing painting what I need to.

**Azreal13**

Or you could trade on the fact that Trebuchets are a thing, Historicals are a thing, and get a 28mm scale trebuchet for £9?

**Alpharius**

Alex C wrote:
adamsouza wrote:
Why would anyone in the Mantic Universe know who Chuck Norris is ?

It's for a t-shirt.

I doubt Grimdork lives in Mantica and is posting to Dakka via a trans-dimensional internet connection.

Right?

Actually, that would explain a lot...

**Azreal13**

Alpharius wrote:
Alex C wrote:
adamsouza wrote:
Why would anyone in the Mantic Universe know who Chuck Norris is ?

It's for a t-shirt.

I doubt Grimdork lives in Mantica and is posting to Dakka via a trans-dimensional internet connection.

Right?

Actually, that would explain a lot...

I thought Lego had taken the transdim intconn offline for maintenance before the next update?