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I can't figure out which one is better (the lesser of evils as the CAD outranks both). The Great Waaagh has tellyportation, but also weaker mob rule and an autochallenge thing. The Ork Horde has a HOW attack, and base mob rule. Which one would people use if they had to choose?

Tellyport might be fun to try, but "The Boss is Watching" can be truly detrimental for our army, so Ork Horde is the way to go for me.

In fact, I'd never choose a unit or formation from Waaagh! Ghazghkull that is not fearless or a vehicle, just because this The Boss Is Watching rule. And it's a pity, as TBIW is supposed to represent orks outperforming theselves in fear of Ghazgkull's retribution, but for some reason some GW writer used an earlier playtest version of Mob Rule in which 1s were the worst possible result, or simply got lost in Mob Rule's terrible counterintuitive workings. Whatever the case, nobody bothered editing it afterwards.

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
Tellyport might be fun to try, but "The Boss is Watching" can be truly detrimental for our army, so Ork Horde is the way to go for me.

In fact, I'd never choose a unit or formation from Waaagh! Ghazghkull that is not fearless or a vehicle, just because this The Boss Is Watching rule. And it's a pity, as TBIW is supposed to represent orks outperforming theselves in fear of Ghazgkull's retribution, but for some reason some GW writer used an earlier playtest version of Mob Rule in which 1s were the worst possible result, or simply got lost in Mob Rule's terrible counterintuitive workings. Whatever the case, nobody bothered editing it afterwards.

I totally agree. I wish there could be an Errata (or whatever the rules change is called) for that. It's basically extra brutality and less discipline instead of more discipline

 Waaagh 18 wrote:
I can't figure out which one is better (the lesser of evils as the CAD outranks both). The Great Waaagh has tellyportation, but also weaker mob rule and an autochallenge thing. The Ork Horde has a HOW attack, and base mob rule. Which one would people use if they had to choose?

I choose the Ork Horde due to the 3HQ slots. That alone is huge. And since I play a lot of Boyz, having 3 mandatory troop slots to fill isn't much of an issue. My big dislike for the Great Waaaagh is you need need to fill an Elite slot, which can be expensive and our best Elite tend to be MANZ, which I sadly own very little of at this point (Not enough for a squad :I )

Being able to throw extra Painboyz around, or get my Warboss a Big Mek with KFF is great as well in addition to the Painboy, making a sort of 'Boyz Star' with 5+ invul and 5+ FNP on 30+ models is pretty good IMO :p

I've been wanting to try the Waagh detach just to try the Tellyporta stuff, but the chance of not even 1 of the units succeeding is hard to swallow.

Yep. It wasn't a day after Codex: Orks was released and I was already calling for an errata, same for Waaagh! Ghazghkull. It may not be the weakest codex out there, or the worst in terms of fluff but, as a rulebook, with all its poorly worded rules and copy-pastes from past editions that don't quite mesh with 7th, it's probably one of the worst jobs GW has done in a long time.

As things stand now, both books feel like barely finished betas.

But anyways, on to Ork detachments, I regularly take Ork Hordes nowadays, more if I'm being restricted to a single detachment. I no longer feel the need to bring as many troops as I did back in 5th/6th, and with my HQs/elites/fasts/heavies making up for most of my points, the loss of Objective Secured is barely felt. The only real drawback is the mandatory third troop, which is usually but not always covered by a small mob of grots.

19 grots with a squig hound costs 67 points. Thats 20 wounds at little over 3p a piece, or a portable cover save.

Why not run an Ork horde? 3 troops isnt really a handicap.

Do you think that they will errata the mob rule in the Ghazghkull supplement or is that how they meant it to be?

 Waaagh 18 wrote:
Do you think that they will errata the mob rule in the Ghazghkull supplement or is that how they meant it to be?

It's not likely that GW will erata...anything. For some reason, they don't do it.

 koooaei wrote:

 Waaagh 18 wrote:
Do you think that they will errata the mob rule in the Ghazghkull supplement or is that how they meant it to be?

It's not likely that GW will erata...anything. For some reason, they don't do it.

Unfortunately this seems true...


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Would the Great Waaagh detachment be too powerful with normal mob rule?

 koooaei wrote:

 Waaagh 18 wrote:
Do you think that they will errata the mob rule in the Ghazghkull supplement or is that how they meant it to be?

It's not likely that GW will erata...anything. For some reason, they don't do it.

Wut is dis "E RAT TA" you speak of? Is dis food?

 Waaagh 18 wrote:

 koooaei wrote:

 Waaagh 18 wrote:
Do you think that they will errata the mob rule in the Ghazghkull supplement or is that how they meant it to be?

It's not likely that GW will erata...anything. For some reason, they don't do it.

Unfortunately this seems true...


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Would the Great Waaagh detachment be too powerful with normal mob rule?

Probably not - that auto challenge thing is absolutely murder against most armies. Orks are there to bully primarily - our characters are actually pretty atrocious in challenges. Telly-porta is also.. well, totally random. It'd be badass to have nearly your entire army get the option of dropping in, but far more likely is you simply having your Big Guns, or something you want to be on the field turn 1 get the rule.

It should totally be D3 +1 units or something like that... Maybe it's a rule meant to make you spam Grots... They avoid the horrible mob rule and you can spam MSUs of them to try and deep strike with a third of them... Maybe Grukk's Rippin Krew has a place after all...

My guess is that the mob rule change was to enable to you skip on buying nobz, so mobz of 30 boyz wouldn't run away without a leader. Most units from the supplement are either fearless, vehicles or a metric ton of bodies, so mob rule rarely matters. The boss is watchin' is less of a buff for the supplement, but a nerf on things which do not fit the great Waaagh!.

Waaagh! Ghazghkull is all about Thrakka's tactics found in the fluff: powerful lumbering hordes of dreads, boyz and MANz supported cunnin' flanking units with high body counts in forms of storm boyz, kommandoz and battlewagons, lead by a huge hulking warboss who eats tanks for breakfast. Stray from that path and the rules punish you for trying.

In order to build a fluffy supplement list, you'd probably get some HQ with a big boss pole, attach it to your mandatory elite choice, get two huge units of boyz and then run wild with formations.

 Jidmah wrote:
My guess is that the mob rule change was to enable to you skip on buying nobz, so mobz of 30 boyz wouldn't run away without a leader. Most units from the supplement are either fearless, vehicles or a metric ton of bodies, so mob rule rarely matters. The boss is watchin' is less of a buff for the supplement, but a nerf on things which do not fit the great Waaagh!.

Waaagh! Ghazghkull is all about Thrakka's tactics found in the fluff: powerful lumbering hordes of dreads, boyz and MANz supported cunnin' flanking units with high body counts in forms of storm boyz, kommandoz and battlewagons, lead by a huge hulking warboss who eats tanks for breakfast. Stray from that path and the rules punish you for trying.

In order to build a fluffy supplement list, you'd probably get some HQ with a big boss pole, attach it to your mandatory elite choice, get two huge units of boyz and then run wild with formations.

It seems like one of the reasons to take it is so you can have 5 elite slots, and if they're useless without fearless then...