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Eggs wrote: The fact that a spiv like me can turn out a unit of 40 gobbos in a few hours makes me wonder why folks use the low end painting services. I can understand if you want a special model or whatever done to a standard you can't achieve yourself, but it's really so easy and quick to use dip, that anyone can get half-decent results.
Nice gobbos, by the way.
I agree that it's really simple to get things done like that, but for some, any painting is too much painting. I've done commissions for people where they just wanted base coat + wash. I know others who make the majority of their revenue by catering to those who want mass amounts of miniatures painted fast. Just because you can do it yourself doesn't mean you'll always want to.
If someone is interested in playing a game and has a certain number of dollars to spend, would they be better off spending it on getting their general painted or getting a horde of infantry painted (albeit to a lower standard)?
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Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
If you have a certain number of dollars to spend, would you go for a basc kind of service that is prone to be sloppy or a normal basic service? Both offer the same price.
winterdyne wrote: And with experience comes the second thing; when you do screw up, you know exactly what to do about it, meaning all evidence of said balls-up either disappears or is hidden.
For example the 'cracked' pattern on the titan I won a demon with. Yep, that was a mistake gone too far. Sometimes you just have to run with it. If the client had not requested it or not given me freedom with the scheme I would have had to put it right (which would have involved a minor repaint).
Not to derail this thread but I think I met you winterdyne at FW open day in 2013! Is your Titan the one with some nids and guardsman hanging out on the base? Was admiring you handiwork with some friends.
On topic I have been lurking on this and tenebre's thread. To the OP do you feel your instructions and communication led to getting a better end product? That was one of your points in tens thread that the instructions were not up to scratch and may have been one of the reasons for the complete mess ten ended up with.
winterdyne wrote: And with experience comes the second thing; when you do screw up, you know exactly what to do about it, meaning all evidence of said balls-up either disappears or is hidden.
For example the 'cracked' pattern on the titan I won a demon with. Yep, that was a mistake gone too far. Sometimes you just have to run with it. If the client had not requested it or not given me freedom with the scheme I would have had to put it right (which would have involved a minor repaint).
Not to derail this thread but I think I met you winterdyne at FW open day in 2013! Is your Titan the one with some nids and guardsman hanging out on the base? Was admiring you handiwork with some friends.
On topic I have been lurking on this and tenebre's thread. To the OP do you feel your instructions and communication led to getting a better end product? That was one of your points in tens thread that the instructions were not up to scratch and may have been one of the reasons for the complete mess ten ended up with.
This one is the one I mean:
Yep, that's one... Very impressive, more so in the flesh. Loved all the little details on the base!
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tenebre wrote: for the same price or even a bit less the poland studios could do the same job and way better and it would save on shipping.
Since the OP is from Europe this makes no rational sense on any level. In the states, if the OP is dead set on paying more for shipping there are several other studios that can come close to this price for far better results.
Why would anyone go out of their way to use a service they self admit is not very good?
tenebre - Victim bashing doesn't do anyone any good. We can all see the results of what M0ff3l ended up with, it's not like he can step away from the results.
Did he really do anything wrong here? Sure, there were some teeth flashing in the forums, but he (presumably) still paid money for those miniatures and now he has to live with them.
Regardless of whether he's a schill for Blue Table Painting or what his intentions are, I feel pretty sad for how things ended up for poor M0ff3l. There's a right and proper response to this situation and it doesn't involve calling him crazy.
tenebre wrote: for the same price or even a bit less the poland studios could do the same job and way better and it would save on shipping.
Since the OP is from Europe this makes no rational sense on any level. In the states, if the OP is dead set on paying more for shipping there are several other studios that can come close to this price for far better results.
Why would anyone go out of their way to use a service they self admit is not very good?
tenebre - Victim bashing doesn't do anyone any good. We can all see the results of what M0ff3l ended up with, it's not like he can step away from the results.
Did he really do anything wrong here? Sure, there were some teeth flashing in the forums, but he (presumably) still paid money for those miniatures and now he has to live with them.
Regardless of whether he's a schill for Blue Table Painting or what his intentions are, I feel pretty sad for how things ended up for poor M0ff3l. There's a right and proper response to this situation and it doesn't involve calling him crazy.
I know that the sarcasm level of your posts is off the chains,
But still, "now he has to live with them" like that is a terrible thing, I like them, I couldnt have painted them better myself and I dont have the time to. Are they the optimal paint job for my money? Probably not. Are they the worst minis out there? Probably not. I will field this level of paint job any day of the week over grey plastic + greenstuff or primed black. Did I get my moneys worth? I think so yes. Am I happy with the result? After alterations and fixes (which BTP should have seen themselves) they are pretty darn cool lookin' in my opinion.
Also why would I use the service again? Well, as I said somewhere earlier in the thread, the whole idea of getting a commission painting service to do my army came after I finished my cypher conversion. I told a friend I was thinking of having http://www.golempaintingstudio.co.uk/ paint my cypher. He (him being my mostly only opponent in 40k) said it would fit the model, but it would look extremely off if I painted the rest of the army (which would have happened very slowly over the course of multiple years). So I decided I would get my entire force painted to keep an uniform look. now Golem Painting Studio has a bit more expensive prices than BTP + I have been watching BTP since before I got into the hobby, so there was some kind of appeal in letting them do my army. So I figured I'd ask them for a quote. They came up with 800 dollars which was cheaper than Golem so I said sure why not. Shipping wasnt expensive at all 25 euros there 25$ back. So US/UK/PL wouldnt have mattered all that much. Now why use them again? To keep the uniform look in the paintjob. Yeah I could send the Vindicator, 3 Bikes and Lord on Bike I ordered from BTP at some other "better" studio but if I do, I could have saved myself all of the money and just have send cypher in the first place. Now you may call me crazy for that, and seriously I stopped caring about whats being posted in this thread 4 pages ago so..
You can keep telling me about how bad they look for being from proffessionals and keep saying that there are so many other great studios out there. Or you can just take this thread for what its worth. The end result is there, the interraction is there. Even though my opinion is biased. EVERYTHING is there, the quote, the end result, the interaction. So anyone can just take al ook at this in blog mode and see for themselves if they think BTP is something for them. And if this post changes minds about BTP (either for them or against them) then it has done its job, and that is good.
It's certainly changed my mind. I thought they did Ten a terrible disservice but people should be able to get decent tabletop standard out of them for an affordable price. I also thought they would do an especially good job on yours as there's no way they were unaware of this thread. I was wrong on both counts.
tenebre wrote: for the same price or even a bit less the poland studios could do the same job and way better and it would save on shipping.
Since the OP is from Europe this makes no rational sense on any level. In the states, if the OP is dead set on paying more for shipping there are several other studios that can come close to this price for far better results.
Why would anyone go out of their way to use a service they self admit is not very good?
tenebre - Victim bashing doesn't do anyone any good. We can all see the results of what M0ff3l ended up with, it's not like he can step away from the results.
Did he really do anything wrong here? Sure, there were some teeth flashing in the forums, but he (presumably) still paid money for those miniatures and now he has to live with them.
Regardless of whether he's a schill for Blue Table Painting or what his intentions are, I feel pretty sad for how things ended up for poor M0ff3l. There's a right and proper response to this situation and it doesn't involve calling him crazy.
never said he was crazy. He stated he didnt think they were up to task for various items which begs the question why select them. There is no victim, the OP selected to use a service based on my bad review, thereby eliminating the possibility of a victim to exist. I still want to know why would he select them based on his own words when he stated he didnt trust them to do even basic highlights on a cloak. If they were the cheapest i could at least buy that. But they aren't so i really have no idea why he would select them.
But still, "now he has to live with them" like that is a terrible thing, I like them, I couldnt have painted them better myself and I dont have the time to. Are they the optimal paint job for my money? Probably not. Are they the worst minis out there? Probably not. I will field this level of paint job any day of the week over grey plastic + greenstuff or primed black. Did I get my moneys worth? I think so yes. Am I happy with the result? After alterations and fixes (which BTP should have seen themselves) they are pretty darn cool lookin' in my opinion.
You are entitled to your opinion. And, frankly, I am glad to hear you are happy with what you are getting. There's nothing wrong with being a fan of a miniature painting service and trying to prove something about the way they do things.
Also, you are exactly right in saying you paid people to do a job at a specific level of quality and are getting something back that matches your instructions. My accountant would tell you there's equity in that relationship for both sides.
But my opinion is that you have gotten a lot less than you deserve.
Put aside all the talk about other cost, quality and other services. Everything you have said about working with Blue Table Painting was for the wrong reasons. This international transaction you have arranged is not netting you something you love, that inspires, captivates and speaks to your vision of this dark millennium our imaginations dwell in. You are receiving the dull, hollow product of an equation, meant to prove some point no one really cares about, before an audience who mostly dismisses everything you have to say.
To me, this looks like punishment. I feel so sorry for you doing this to yourself.
Also why would I use the service again? Well, as I said somewhere earlier in the thread, the whole idea of getting a commission painting service to do my army came after I finished my cypher conversion. I told a friend I was thinking of having http://www.golempaintingstudio.co.uk/ paint my cypher. He (him being my mostly only opponent in 40k) said it would fit the model, but it would look extremely off if I painted the rest of the army (which would have happened very slowly over the course of multiple years). So I decided I would get my entire force painted to keep an uniform look. now Golem Painting Studio has a bit more expensive prices than BTP + I have been watching BTP since before I got into the hobby, so there was some kind of appeal in letting them do my army. So I figured I'd ask them for a quote. They came up with 800 dollars which was cheaper than Golem so I said sure why not. Shipping wasnt expensive at all 25 euros there 25$ back. So US/UK/PL wouldnt have mattered all that much. Now why use them again? To keep the uniform look in the paintjob. Yeah I could send the Vindicator, 3 Bikes and Lord on Bike I ordered from BTP at some other "better" studio but if I do, I could have saved myself all of the money and just have send cypher in the first place. Now you may call me crazy for that, and seriously I stopped caring about whats being posted in this thread 4 pages ago so..
You can keep telling me about how bad they look for being from proffessionals and keep saying that there are so many other great studios out there. Or you can just take this thread for what its worth. The end result is there, the interraction is there. Even though my opinion is biased. EVERYTHING is there, the quote, the end result, the interaction. So anyone can just take al ook at this in blog mode and see for themselves if they think BTP is something for them. And if this post changes minds about BTP (either for them or against them) then it has done its job, and that is good.
I have never said anything looks bad, and am the only person in this thread who asked if you are happy with what you are getting back. You look back at my previous posts, all you are going to find is me telling people to lay off and be nice.
In all seriousness, out of all the people in this forum, I might be the only one who actually cares about you and your happiness.
You just seem to be trying very hard to prove a point. Try playing with miniatures instead, you might find they are more enjoyable than whatever point it is you are trying to make.
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