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 whembly wrote:
Besides #shirtgate...


"When a wise man points at the moon the imbecile examines the finger"

-Confucius

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Here is a cool article I read this morning:

The Washington Post wrote:Why we all fell in love with Rosetta’s Philae lander

In 1969, the whole world crowded around their televisions to watch mankind make its first moon landing. On Wednesday, it seemed as if the whole world crowded around their computers instead – this time to watch the European Space Agency drop a probe onto the surface of a speeding comet.

Comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko is currently about 300 million miles away from the Earth, whizzing around the sun at a speed of 84,000 miles an hour. The Rosetta spacecraft was launched in 2004, and has spent the past decade traveling over 4 billion miles in order to match the comet’s orbit.

To get in sync with the ancient, misshapen hunk of ice and rock, Rosetta swung around the Earth three times to pick up speed, and spent nearly three years in hibernation due to its distance from the sun. Finally, in August, it fell into stride with the comet, which is less than 3 miles across.

The world wasn’t immediately interested in Rosetta’s success: After all, while the orbiter was collecting data on the comet from the moment it approached it (and will continue doing so for a year), there was no real climax of the story – no “giant leap,” as Neil Armstrong said back in the day, for the world to hang on.

That is, until the little probe named Philae came along.

It had all the makings of a great story: Rosetta, after years and years of work, would drop its payload. Philae was instantly cast as an underdog. It lacked any propulsion system – so once ejected, it had a seven hour free-fall. The Rosetta mission team, which included scientists from both the ESA and NASA, were very clearly prepared for the worst. In preparing for the landing, every interview seemed to emphasize how successful Rosetta had been and would continue to be — even if Philae never sent back data from the comet.

Philae could fail to land or land upside down (a tragedy, as the probe has no way to flip over). And no matter what happened, viewers of the ESA’s livestream would only be able to watch the mission control room in Darmstadt, Germany. They’d see the faces of scientists apprehensively reading data from the probe’s sensors, and they’d be treated to periodic updates. But the only thing the landing could promise with any certainty was an extremely tense morning.

And yet we tuned into that livestream in droves, and tweeted the related hashtags with vigor and glee. Trying to follow all of the tweets tagged with #cometlanding was a fool’s errand as the predicted landing time of 11am ET approached – there were too many messages being tweeted too fast, and they passed by in an incomprehensible blur.

When Philae touched down safely, mission control’s jubilation was contagious, and rang out across social media. And shockingly, the world stayed interested. Philae’s future was uncertain, and intriguing: As the hours went by, it became apparent that Philae’s harpoons, meant to anchor it into the comet, hadn’t deployed. Would it bounce right off the comet and back into space?

It’s a credit to those managing Rosetta and Philae’s social media presence that people became more excited, and not less, when it became clear that the lander’s days were numbered. While Philae had a surprisingly precise landing at its chosen spot, it had then bounced off into a shady area. Its solar panels didn’t get access to nearly enough light to keep it operating, and the probe’s 60-hour battery life was running out.

No doubt inspired by the brilliant social media campaign of NASA’s Mars rovers, those tweeting for Rosetta and its lander did an incredible job of making the hunks of metal seem like living extensions of the intrepid explorers who sent them to space. Rosetta and Philae were presented as friends, tweeting adorably at each other, and their faux personalities roped us into following Philae’s nail-biter of a journey.

By Friday night, we knew it was coming to an end: That morning, Rosetta scientists had told the public that Philae’s batteries were almost certainly going to die during their next communication link with the probe. And sure enough, Philae’s Twitter account followed through until the end, tweeting out a series of messages about going to sleep that made many (myself included) express grief for – and immense pride in – the little lander that could.

Several missions in the near future will take us to asteroids, the slower-moving (and easier to chase down) cousins of comets. In 2016, NASA’s OSIRIS-REx will use a spacecraft with a robotic arm to pluck some asteroid off and take it home. And while we wait for another Philae-like comet trip – which probably won’t come in the next 10 years – we still have Rosetta. The spacecraft will follow its comet for a year, studying it as it passes the sun. And during that time, if enough light hits its solar panels, Philae could even make a comeback – reuniting the world’s new favorite pair of space buddies.
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 d-usa wrote:
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An amazing achievment paving the way for greater things. I keep trying to imagine the truly marvolous things to come if we as a species don't do something profoundly stupid in the next hundred years.
   
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 lord_blackfang wrote:
 whembly wrote:
Besides #shirtgate...


"When a wise man points at the moon the imbecile examines the finger"

-Confucius


I think people can simultaneously be amazed by the feat of landing on a comet and wonder who thought it was a good to wear something so hideous on TV. I'm less concerned about the feminism angle then I am the fact that someone in the press office, or even his friends, let him broadcast like that. Hopefully we can get some good data out of this, or at the very least some cool pictures.

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Ottawa Ontario Canada

 Ahtman wrote:
I'm less concerned about the feminism angle then I am the fact that someone in the press office, or even his friends, let him broadcast like that.


I feel sorry for the guy, the whole thing reminds me of that seinfield episode where jerry agrees to wear a shirt on tv. Apparently the shirt was a gift from a friend. In all honesty, as someone who is occasionally involved in research, I don't particularly care for a dress code, when you're working 12-18 hours testing you dress for comfort. The brilliant and talented minds should get some leeway, I mean the guy got a tatoo of the lander, he seems like a cool guy.


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 Crablezworth wrote:
Apparently the shirt was a gift from a friend.


Sounds like he was screwed either way then.

 Crablezworth wrote:
In all honesty, as someone who is occasionally involved in research, I don't particularly care for a dress code, when you're working 12-18 hours testing you dress for comfort.


Have you ever been asked to, essentially, represent your group on global television?

 Crablezworth wrote:
The brilliant and talented minds should get some leeway, I mean the guy got a tatoo of the lander, he seems like a cool guy.


I don't really care about the tattoos, but he should have known that wearing that specific shirt on TV would be problematic,and if he didn't he shouldn't have been in front of the camera. I also don't think being smart gives one leeway to be stupid either. Like I said earlier someone should have caught that well before he appeared in front of cameras, so I don't (entirely) blame him. Anyone with even an ounce of media savvy could have seen the derail coming from a mile away, which is why either his friends or the PR office should have caught it. Either way it shouldn't overshadow the incredible achievement, but then NASA also figured out a way to turn electricity into thrust but instead the main story was Kim Kardashian's 78th ass showing.

Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
 
   
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Basically you're saying he deserved it because of what he was wearing. Cool.

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Ottawa Ontario Canada

 Ahtman wrote:
Either way it shouldn't overshadow the incredible achievement


Agreed, but sadly it did in some ways, I can't believe people are calling this guy and or his shirt sexist, small minds.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Basically you're saying he deserved it because of what he was wearing. Cool.


That sounds familiar...

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Basically you're saying he deserved it because of what he was wearing. Cool.


That isn't even close to what I am saying, unless that is what you want to it say.

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This Is Where the Fish Lives

 Ahtman wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Basically you're saying he deserved it because of what he was wearing. Cool.


That isn't even close to what I am saying, unless that is what you want to it say.
Well, this is the OT... Isn't that par for the course?

 d-usa wrote:
"When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
 
   
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North West UK

Does anyone have a picture of the shirt, out of interest? I've been a bit out-of-the-loop recently...

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 Ouze wrote:

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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/14/1415980687637_Image_galleryImage_Screengrab_from_a_video_p.JPG
If the hotlink doesn't work just do a google image search for shirtgate


This isn't very well thought out or worded but I support the general idea of turning the tables on feminist hatemongers.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/fire-rose-eveleth

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That woman is a bitter, frustrated woman who desperately looks for attention. I would sue her butt until she's in dept for the rest of her life.

And let's not start that the shirt was a GIFT from his FEMALE FRIEND.

Can't be too sorry for that man though as instead of doing the right thing and standing up against her, he caved in and cried.

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Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!

Meh...

These guys landed what was basically a DISHWASHER on a fething comet.

Perspective folks... keep it.

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 Sigvatr wrote:
That woman is a bitter, frustrated woman who desperately looks for attention. I would sue her butt until she's in dept for the rest of her life.

And let's not start that the shirt was a GIFT from his FEMALE FRIEND.

Can't be too sorry for that man though as instead of doing the right thing and standing up against her, he caved in and cried.

Talked about this at school. Poor man.

It's understandable that he reacted as he did, since a lot of people on the internet and media picked it up and started naming him all kinds of things.

   
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They found the lander They managed to spot the lander during its first bounce. That should help to pinpoint its current position.


With two essential methods to hold the lander on the ground not working it unfortunately bounced quite a way and right into the dark shadow of a cliff or crater. At least it could finish its first science run and transmit all that data before it ran out of battery power. We'll see what it did discover in the near future.

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 thenoobbomb wrote:
 Sigvatr wrote:
That woman is a bitter, frustrated woman who desperately looks for attention. I would sue her butt until she's in dept for the rest of her life.

And let's not start that the shirt was a GIFT from his FEMALE FRIEND.

Can't be too sorry for that man though as instead of doing the right thing and standing up against her, he caved in and cried.

Talked about this at school. Poor man.

It's understandable that he reacted as he did, since a lot of people on the internet and media picked it up and started naming him all kinds of things.


It angers me so much because that man achieved an OUTSTANDING job. He landed a GODDAMN lander on a COMET. And then this attention ***** shows up and ruins the party because of her personal shortcoming. RAWR.

   
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so, show scantly clad women on your shirt, you are sexist.

be a scantly clad woman, and you are somehow fighting the oppressors?


The rules set in the other thread by many women was "dont you dare come into a thread or topic about womens issues and make it about or talk about mens issues"

So if those are the rules women set, play by them, dont come into a topic of space exploration with Tshirt issues. Same should go for anyone bringing up this mans shirt instead of the pertinent topic.


WE just landed something on a frickken comit, thats way more important then T-shirts of any kind.


On that note, im very impressed, I was very dissapointed when the US basically abandoned its space program, glad to see ESA is taking things on.

Gives me hope for worldwide cooperation that maybe we can all pick it up and get space exploration ramped up.

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Leerstetten, Germany

I didn't hear a damn thing about the shirt, the only thing I have heard is people complaining about people complaining.

At this point the only thing more annoying that over-the-top attention seeking feminists are people complaining about them. This would have been a 5 minute foot-note in history, instead I'm still seeing social media websites and Dakka being flooded with people complaining about the fact that some people were offended.
   
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Fixture of Dakka





Ottawa Ontario Canada

 d-usa wrote:
I didn't hear a damn thing about the shirt, the only thing I have heard is people complaining about people complaining.

At this point the only thing more annoying that over-the-top attention seeking feminists are people complaining about them. This would have been a 5 minute foot-note in history, instead I'm still seeing social media websites and Dakka being flooded with people complaining about the fact that some people were offended.


Perhaps it's because it's happening across various fronts, gemergate was essentially feminism vs gamers, then you've got feminism vs colbert and so on, this isn't an isolated incident, bit of a culture war goin on with feminism and, well, everyone else. But that's enough mansplaining from me, just how it seems.

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Burtucky, Michigan

 whembly wrote:
Meh...

These guys landed what was basically a DISHWASHER on a fething comet.

Perspective folks... keep it.




You could not have said it better Whembly
   
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Lieutenant Colonel






 Minx wrote:
They found the lander They managed to spot the lander during its first bounce. That should help to pinpoint its current position.


With two essential methods to hold the lander on the ground not working it unfortunately bounced quite a way and right into the dark shadow of a cliff or crater. At least it could finish its first science run and transmit all that data before it ran out of battery power. We'll see what it did discover in the near future.



all things considered, this went really well.

They can hopefully gather enough data to smooth out the rough edges and get then next one landing better, or perhaps have more in built battery power so they can drive it somewhere sunnier next time.

Unfortunate how long there will likely be between attempts due to the relative scarcity of comets, not to mention political will to spend money on space.

 
   
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Burtucky, Michigan

Yeah I was pretty upset when NASA lost so much funding and do jack squat now. There is just so much to learn from space and it seems like no one cares.
   
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Foxy Wildborne







 d-usa wrote:
I didn't hear a damn thing about the shirt, the only thing I have heard is people complaining about people complaining.

At this point the only thing more annoying that over-the-top attention seeking feminists are people complaining about them. This would have been a 5 minute foot-note in history, instead I'm still seeing social media websites and Dakka being flooded with people complaining about the fact that some people were offended.


The guy publicly broke down in tears, so obviously the smear campaign had significant reach beyond just some professional victim flipping out on her Twitter.

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Well, if you support the guy, why not throw him a few bucks on Indiegogo?

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/matt-taylor-rosetta-project-scientist


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That indiegogo sounds like a recipe for disaster.

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The Empire State

The reaction from the woman who made the shirt is priceless.


 
   
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 easysauce wrote:
so, show scantly clad women on your shirt, you are sexist.

be a scantly clad woman, and you are somehow fighting the oppressors?


If only there was a concept that could help us handle this situation. Oh yes, there is: professional work environment. Seriously, is it really hard to see the difference between wearing a borderline-porn shirt to work and wearing revealing clothing in your personal life?

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
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 Peregrine wrote:
 easysauce wrote:
so, show scantly clad women on your shirt, you are sexist.

be a scantly clad woman, and you are somehow fighting the oppressors?


If only there was a concept that could help us handle this situation. Oh yes, there is: professional work environment. Seriously, is it really hard to see the difference between wearing a borderline-porn shirt to work and wearing revealing clothing in your personal life?

Um... the dude plopped a frick'n dishwasher on a bloody comet!

As far as I'm concerned... he could do that interview butt-naked and tell the women to make him a sammich!

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