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Ran into this argument the other day, Ill try to present it how it was presented to me

when a model ''Suffers" one or more wounds, that model cannot make a lookout sir roll.

A model "suffers a wound" after it fails its armor save.

Under Types of saving Throws-

"If the result is lower than the Armour Save value, the armour fails to protect its wearer and it suffers a Wound. This means that, unlike most characteristics, an Armour Save is better if it is a lower number."

Suffering a wound happens after wound allocation and thus after you are able to look out sir

From Look Out Sir

When a Wound is allocated to one of your non-vehicle characters, and there is another model from the same unit within 6", he is allowed a Look Out, Sir attempt.

The only thing that can happen to a model/unit that "suffers a wound" is an invuln save

From Invulnerable Saves

Invulnerable saves are different to armour saves because they may always be taken whenever the model suffers a Wound or, in the case of vehicles, suffers a penetrating or glancing hit – the Armour Piercing value of attacking weapons has no effect on an invulnerable save.

Idk... when i tried to find a problem with it i couldn't, but it sounds a bit strange
this has some big implications if its true

Look out sir! happens when a wound is allocated to the model.
This is before saves are rolled.

If it's suffered a wound, you've already passed the stage you LOS!

A Related Topic:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/621712.page

They, they really shouldn't have said you can take an invul when you "suffer a wound" that's bad rules writitng.

It's taken in place of an Armour save, and should be taken when a wound is allocated, not when it's suffered.

Yea saw that post, wasnt sure if it was to old, to post in, and no one, from what i could see, outlined things like I have here.
I'm curious if someone can see a valid hole in the above reading of the rules

Indeed,
Long and short of it is... we do not know 100% what the Author Intended thanks to the misuse of the words 'suffer' in a few Rules which directly relate to Allocation.
Rule as Written is at least easily answered, being black and white as it is: Look Out, Sir! triggers immediately after a Wound is Allocated.

What specific example do you have in mind ?

I have had people insist on resolving the wound on a high T boss, (to reduce the chance of a wound being inflicted in the first place) THEN do the "Look out Sir" .

 scommy wrote:
I have had people insist on resolving the wound on a high T boss, (to reduce the chance of a wound being inflicted in the first place) THEN do the "Look out Sir" .

Thats not how the rules work. When you roll to wound you roll against majority toughness, not the toughness of the model being allocated to.

 scommy wrote:
I have had people insist on resolving the wound on a high T boss, (to reduce the chance of a wound being inflicted in the first place) THEN do the "Look out Sir" .

Aren't wounds resolved on the majority of T inside a unit?

 grendel083 wrote:
They, they really shouldn't have said you can take an invul when you "suffer a wound" that's bad rules writitng.

It's taken in place of an Armour save, and should be taken when a wound is allocated, not when it's suffered.

Maybe we've all been playing it wrong... Maybe when a terminator takes a 2+ and rolls a 1, he then gets to try to roll a 5++

 Pyeatt wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:
They, they really shouldn't have said you can take an invul when you "suffer a wound" that's bad rules writitng.

It's taken in place of an Armour save, and should be taken when a wound is allocated, not when it's suffered.

Maybe we've all been playing it wrong... Maybe when a terminator takes a 2+ and rolls a 1, he then gets to try to roll a 5++

The "Models with more than one save" cover that, you may only ever take one save.

If the armor saves of the unit and the leader are the same, I am fine with LOS rolls being done after the armor saves. The end result is the same.

However, if it is a terminator captain with marines, you absolutely cannot take the termie saves, then when you fail it, try to LOS it off.

Morgoth,
If the result is lower than the Armour Save value, the armour fails to protect its wearer and it suffers a Wound.

The above line is the second use of the words Suffers a Wound, the first was in Psychic Phase to inform us a Psyker manifest a power even when suffering a Wound even if it removes the Model as a Casualty. Both of these uses inform us that Suffering a Wound occurs after the Saving process. However, right after it is the good old Invulnerability Save and the fact its timing is outside of the correct point in the Sequence. This error has even led someone here to wonder if we where doing Invulnerability Saves wrong all this time, though more precise Rules highlight that it was a typo and nothing more. This is a direct example of the terminology "Suffers a Wound" occurring after Allocation, which is when Look out, Sir! rolls are taken, and then an example of them using it in a completely different way a few paragraphs down.

Then there are Rules like Get's Hot, which uses the terminology 'Suffers a Wound' then straight after informing us that these Wounds can not be Looked out, Sir!-ed away. It is inclusion of things like this in the book which have made a lot of people think they can Look out Sir anything away anything which reduces the Wound characteristic, unless specifically informed not to. This is clearly not correct as Look out Sir only occurs when a Wound is Allocated, not every time a Wound is Suffered, as a reduced Wound Characteristic can occur through many non-Allocating means.

Such things include:
Dangerous Terrain
Perils of the Warp
Anything that skips the default Wounding process entirely
Anything that resolves against a specific Model, such as focused Witchfires
and more once you crack open a codex....

Hanskrampf wrote:

 scommy wrote:
I have had people insist on resolving the wound on a high T boss, (to reduce the chance of a wound being inflicted in the first place) THEN do the "Look out Sir" .

Aren't wounds resolved on the majority of T inside a unit?

the roll to wound is done with the majority toughness, but you use the models toughness when the wound is applied for things like ID.

unrelated to the above..,

there is only permission to LoS! allocated wounds, suffered wounds are past the allocation step.

I agree that "suffers" is not "allocation" and therefore can't be LOS. Try explaining that everytime you fire a Focussed Witchfire that is about to finish your opponent's character off.

I would pay $200 for a BRB if it was written by a technical writer.