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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/20 18:42:08
Subject: Played first game of Kings of war, some questions!
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Played 3 games last night of kings of war, and my undead won all three games! It seemed as though my cavalry was really strong compared to what my opponent brought to the table. I keep seeing in the forums that people are saying you want to charge with cavalry first and not get charged, but I don't see why this is. Are there some rules im missing for cavalry? Do they get some kind of bonus for charging?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/20 23:09:54
Subject: Played first game of Kings of war, some questions!
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Been Around the Block
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Most cavalry has a skill called Crushing Strength, which makes the unit deal more damage when they charge. Cavalry also generally have a high amount of movement which makes it easier to successfully charge. You pay a bit more points for these offensive bonuses so you want to use them as often as possible.
On the other hand, cavalry is often limited in size (usually no more than 10 models per unit) which means they can't take that much damage before they risk breaking.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/21 00:30:07
Subject: Played first game of Kings of war, some questions!
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Haughty Harad Serpent Rider
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Undead Cavalry are great in that they can take a lot of punishment (high nerve and high defense) but their Melee is weaker than other armies (only a 4+ compared to say, everybody else's cav on a 3+).
The #1 tactic for beating Undead is that, since they cannot move At the Double, is to outmaneuver them, and try to get maybe a hero on horseback in their rear ranks beating on their Necromancer. Remember, if you get attacked (or attack) in melee, you can't use ranged attacks on your next turn - and spells are ranged attacks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/21 01:11:04
Subject: Played first game of Kings of war, some questions!
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Regular Dakkanaut
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WGMelchior wrote:Most cavalry has a skill called Crushing Strength, which makes the unit deal more damage when they charge. Cavalry also generally have a high amount of movement which makes it easier to successfully charge. You pay a bit more points for these offensive bonuses so you want to use them as often as possible.
On the other hand, cavalry is often limited in size (usually no more than 10 models per unit) which means they can't take that much damage before they risk breaking.
Seems like my undead cavalry took quite a beating, there defense did not let much damage get in, plus the one damage heal every turn is nice! Automatically Appended Next Post: judgedoug wrote:Undead Cavalry are great in that they can take a lot of punishment (high nerve and high defense) but their Melee is weaker than other armies (only a 4+ compared to say, everybody else's cav on a 3+).
The #1 tactic for beating Undead is that, since they cannot move At the Double, is to outmaneuver them, and try to get maybe a hero on horseback in their rear ranks beating on their Necromancer. Remember, if you get attacked (or attack) in melee, you can't use ranged attacks on your next turn - and spells are ranged attacks.
Ill have to tell my buddy that, he proxied his army trying the game, I already had an undead starter, and he lost 3 times, and says he doesn't wanna buy into the game now =(. He said all my units seemed too op, especially the balefire cannon, because his only did d3 hits and mine did 2d6.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/21 03:17:21
Subject: Played first game of Kings of war, some questions!
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Haughty Harad Serpent Rider
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Which army was he using? Elves I take it? Perhaps you can relay some tactical advice or you can share his army list. Undead are very good at first and seem daunting to beat for new players, but they have their weaknesses.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/21 07:15:04
Subject: Played first game of Kings of war, some questions!
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Been Around the Block
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The only army I know of that has a d3 hits war machine is Basilean with their Heavy Arbalest. It's pretty cheap in points but generally not that good. I personally wouldn't bother using it in a Basilean army.
If he is playing Elves, note that their Bolt Thrower fires twice (2 Attacks on the profile), are more accurate and has Elite to reroll one miss each time they shoot. So they should hit more often but with slightly less Piercing power.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/21 12:13:57
Subject: Re:Played first game of Kings of war, some questions!
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Regular Dakkanaut
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he proxied the basilean and ogres. Ogres were much better at doing damage to me it seems. Automatically Appended Next Post: Using the basileans on the first two games, he seemed to just stay back and close and wait for me to get into range, shooting me the whole time, which did very little. Not to mention the turns taking for ever for him to measure to make sure nothing was in charging range every turn lol. With the ogres he was more aggressive but my balefire was able to take out 2 units which turned the game in my favor pretty quickly. He also never tried to go around and get the flanks like he should have with my slow moving units.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/21 15:53:15
Subject: Played first game of Kings of war, some questions!
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Been Around the Block
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Basileans are generally fairly fast and good on the offense. To compensate for this, their non-magical shooting is pretty weak. It seems like he picked an army that didn't really fit his playstyle that well. I think a defensive kingdom of men army sounds might suit him better. They do have a unit that is pretty much identical to the balefire as well as a wide array of other war machines and some ranged units.
The balefire catapult and trebuchets are very good when they hit, but I find that only hitting one in every three shots makes them a bit too unreliable if you only have one of them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/21 18:13:14
Subject: Played first game of Kings of war, some questions!
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Haughty Harad Serpent Rider
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Yeah, if an enemy has warmachines/good shooting, close with them rapidly. His Basileans should be charging you on turn 2.
And of course, a flying troop of Elohi or a character with magic wings should be hunting your warmachines and characters.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/21 18:45:42
Subject: Played first game of Kings of war, some questions!
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I think your buddy needs to play more agressively in general. There are some good ranged units, but in general, ranged combat is not going to carry the day. You can't play gunline and expect to win against an opponent that also has artillery.
My advice to you is to let him play your undead next time and see how it goes. Sounds like you've put a bit more thought into your army (not in a cheezy way) and he might get a better feel for the game from trying your force.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/22 12:23:32
Subject: Played first game of Kings of war, some questions!
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Eilif wrote:I think your buddy needs to play more agressively in general. There are some good ranged units, but in general, ranged combat is not going to carry the day. You can't play gunline and expect to win against an opponent that also has artillery.
My advice to you is to let him play your undead next time and see how it goes. Sounds like you've put a bit more thought into your army (not in a cheezy way) and he might get a better feel for the game from trying your force.
Yea he is definitely more of the thinker than the aggressor. I had the undead starter from the 2 player set, and proxied the balefire and cavalry. I hit with the balefire 2 times in the 2nd game, killing 2 units flat out. Seems a little op to me if you get good rolls. Of course, in the third game, it failed to hit at all, so I don't know. All I know is that between that and my cavalry, he went down pretty quickly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/23 18:46:13
Subject: Played first game of Kings of war, some questions!
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Haughty Harad Serpent Rider
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XvReaperXv wrote: Eilif wrote:I think your buddy needs to play more agressively in general. There are some good ranged units, but in general, ranged combat is not going to carry the day. You can't play gunline and expect to win against an opponent that also has artillery.
My advice to you is to let him play your undead next time and see how it goes. Sounds like you've put a bit more thought into your army (not in a cheezy way) and he might get a better feel for the game from trying your force.
Yea he is definitely more of the thinker than the aggressor. I had the undead starter from the 2 player set, and proxied the balefire and cavalry. I hit with the balefire 2 times in the 2nd game, killing 2 units flat out. Seems a little op to me if you get good rolls. Of course, in the third game, it failed to hit at all, so I don't know. All I know is that between that and my cavalry, he went down pretty quickly.
If he wants to play a defensive line, have him take some units of cheap spearmen. Your undead cavalry with Melee 4+ all of a sudden only hit on a 5+ when charging spears in the front (or, a 6+ if charging pikes in the front!) and will most likely survive, and hit back with a giant pile of attacks (regiments: 10+5 = 15 for spear, 10+10 = 20 for pike)
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ALSO: how many points were you guys playing? In smaller points games, warmachines can be pretty devastating. The easiest counter to someone with warmachines is to take more units.
Have your friend drop all command from his units, or field more troops. A troop and a regiment of infantry both put out the same number of attacks, but you'll be able to field more. If one of his regiments is going to die on a charge by your cavalry, then his front line of units should be cheaper troops. Your warmachine still has to go by LOS so most of it's targets will only be those cheaper troops, and if he loses one, then no big deal.
So his first line should be the equivalent of skirmishers/screens, just cheap troops of infantry, to soak up damage. If one gets hit and destroyed by a warmachine, no problem, plenty more units. If one is charged and destroyed by your cavalry, no big deal, his second line of units contains the knights/heavy infantry, which will then charge your knights on the following turn.
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