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http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?404065-Warhammer-And-Now-For-Something-Completely-Different

eek

Hmmm...and Darnok posted that..

Welp, I think I'm going to sit back and wait for whatever madness is on it's way!

 Accolade wrote:
Hmmm...and Darnok posted that..

Welp, I think I'm going to sit back and wait for whatever madness is on it's way!

Agreed, I honestly don't much trust anything off of whineseer alone. Now verify that with some other more reputable rumor mills and I'll bite.

ehhh this is not sounding rosy at all... not in the slightest. And here I was thinking I can pick up where I left of and get that army finished properly this time...

If they make it more skirmish based I'm out.
RNF is the dady of war-gaming for me. :/

I was just about to start Fantasy proper too, now I don't know what to do.

Star anyway. If they radically shift that much (and thats a big IF) plenty of people will still play regular WHFB.

Yeah but I have enough trouble finding games in my area for systems that are supported, let alone unsupported ones.

Im in a similiar boat. I just don't want to end up with "elves" as apposed to HE. It might seem trivial but that's why WHFB appealed to me in the first place.

Well I was looking at Lizardmen, I doubt they'll survive the transisiton. And the whole setting was what appealed to me, if that changes to these 'bubble' things, I don't really know if I'll stay. For a start, I'd be worried they were gonna just drop the game again, I wouldn't have much trust in GW after that.

I'm just glad most of the models I have might survive... (Got some wood elves and some undead, and a carnosaur). It's just a long time to wait to see what's going to happen. I was all excited about fantasy an hour ago and now I feel really flat.

Lizardmen will survive, they're a very defensible IP. Really don't trust anything out of whineseer until it's picked up and verfied by a couple other sources.

convert carnosaurus into dragon mount.. Do eeeeeet...

But I think lizards will make the cut because dinosaurs. Kids love dinosaurs.

The rumour is they're dropping all the models and starting from scratch so i hope they don't actaully invalidate models I do have.

I know it's just rumours and I shouldn't get worked up but it's got me worried.

 ImAGeek wrote:
The rumour is they're dropping all the models and starting from scratch so i hope they don't actaully invalidate models I do have.

I know it's just rumours and I shouldn't get worked up but it's got me worried.

Can;t see them invalidating the old stuff too much, but some of the smaller units that haven;t seen updates for an age will probably disappear.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
The rumour is they're dropping all the models and starting from scratch so i hope they don't actaully invalidate models I do have.

I know it's just rumours and I shouldn't get worked up but it's got me worried.

Can;t see them invalidating the old stuff too much, but some of the smaller units that haven;t seen updates for an age will probably disappear.

Hopefully it's just that. I mean hell we might get new zombies!

I would say that GW have played what's left of the whfb fan base, in that they are in the process of selling very expensive large kits which in 6 months will be invalidated.

Anyone who buys anything at the moment is asking to get bent over and gw'ed hard in the near future.

But it will be ok since gw customers are collectors who don't play the game so no worries.

SeanDrake wrote:
I would say that GW have played what's left of the whfb fan base, in that they are in the process of selling very expensive large kits which in 6 months will be invalidated.

Anyone who buys anything at the moment is asking to get bent over and gw'ed hard in the near future.

But it will be ok since gw customers are collectors who don't play the game so no worries.

Wrong, and

SeanDrake wrote:
I would say that GW have played what's left of the whfb fan base, in that they are in the process of selling very expensive large kits which in 6 months will be invalidated.

Anyone who buys anything at the moment is asking to get bent over and gw'ed hard in the near future.

But it will be ok since gw customers are collectors who don't play the game so no worries.

Not at all. Even if nagash is invalidated he becomes a Hierotitan or Necro collossus (monstrous arcanum) or a zombie dragon stand in. Arkhan becomes a lord on abyssal terror / warsphinx. I can use these kits as other things easily. As for the books, ok even if the rules get invalidated it's still an amazing story and while yes a bit expensive I am both a collector & a game player. Hell Ican take the end times lore & turn it into a D&D campaign for my non warhammer friends.

I honestly doubt they will drop the entire game. Coz well.. money.

Probably will shake things up big time.
The "reboot" option isn't all that bad if they consolidate and condense the armies but only if they go on about it the right way.
Otherwise a lot of collectors wont be collecting no moar..

I'm hoping they get rid of LOTR stuff and pour the budget allocation left over from that in WHFB that with he dramatic shift in setting would give them 2 streams of revenue in the wasy of 2 popular war games rather then 3 which equals more like 2.3 of a game...

Maybe making that long overdue nippon army happen... yes. hmhh.. makes so much sense... hmmmhh.. yes,yes.. yes...

I confess I'm not taken by the current batch of rumors. Part of the reason I loved WHFB was that it was more optimistic and diverse than the grimdark of 40K. Heroes could be heroes who made a difference, not martyrs struggling tragically against the inevitable tide of doom. Villains had to work hard for their gains, not just go with the flow and drown civilization in a tide of blood and vile magics.

From a business perspective I understand why GW wants to consolidate the offerings in a less successful product line. The fantasy lines took up a lot of production capacity and shelf space and just wasn't selling in proportion to the resources committed. Makes perfect sense. I also understand why they want to emulate the success of 40K by going more dark and gothic.

Neither approach will work particularly well for me personally, though. Even though I can appreciate the business reasons, I'm disappointed that GW feels it necessary to contract their fantasy universe and make it a grimmer place.

My two teef.

The issue is, and I don't know what GW thinks of it. Is Fantasy & 40k appeal to different people.

Yes there is some spill over but fantasy players tend to be older. Part of 40ks economic success is little johnny who plays dawn of war & wants to go buy space marines. He gets a starter army for christmas, plays for a year or two & gives up, or gets his ass handed to him by eldar and says "oh eldar are good I want them now". Not saying all 40k players do that but I tend to see a lot more turnover with 40k. Not to mention 40k is "cool Halo / Destiny Sci-Fi" and Fantasy is for those nerds who play D&D.

Fantasy tends to get fewer numbers in, but people play longer. I rarely see someone quit fantasy once they're in.

Another issue may be painting and game style. Fantasy players And from what I see, tournaments, tend to reward if not require painted armies. Fantasy also has so much of the strategy in the movement phase (what with shooting being relatively ineffective at killing whole units) meaning a good player with a gakky army can out maneuver a good army with a gak general. In 40k thanks to lots of powerful long range shooting, I can sit in my corner & roll dice at you all game.

This lends 40k to FOTM. The most powerful combos win because player skill is mitigated into list building (in which even a gak player can netlist) and target priority. So if you bring the most cost effective (min:maxed) list, you stand a good chance of winning if you pick the targets in the right order. because of a (comparative) lack of painting requirement you need not invest in your army. new better book comes out, ebay your old stuff & buy new. This keeps revenue up. Whereas fantasy players are less likely to sell entire armies (check ebay for proof) because we learned a playstyle & applying say a dwarf playstyle to a bretonnian list won't work. It's harder to quickly shift armies in fantasy & as such we don't just up and buy whole new armies as often.

This means 40k brings in more cash. BUT if you try to apply 40k to fantasy you will lose a lot of veteran players and it won't get the 40k players to switch. Again this is all just my opinion & speculation but I think it holds at least some weight

i found out today that the end times books are becoming regular stock at all GW stores so no need to worry about not being able to use stuff from them. also speculation from the staff was the 9 if there is a new addition next year would likely be a consolidation of all the new end times rules and expanding it also maybe so skirmish rules added for smaller games

 kencotter wrote:
iskirmish rules added for smaller games

I can see this. Especially with the Mordheim game comming out and the success of Malifaux.

I would definitely be ok with new skirmish rules as an addition, not as a replacement. Easier for people with smaller budgets, I would think.

I dont expect these rumors to be too far from the truth tbh. The initial rumors that End Times would be separate from WHFB 9th were wishful thinking at best.

Shas'O Dorian wrote:

I can see this. Especially with the Mordheim game comming out and the success of Malifaux.

thats what i was think too i think if the mordheim game does well enough we could see some either rules added to play it within the core book like killteam in the older editions of 40k or even as a supplement which GW seem keen to do latley and would give them the opportunity to do a new box set like deathstorm etc

toasteroven wrote:I would definitely be ok with new skirmish rules as an addition, not as a replacement. Easier for people with smaller budgets, I would think.

yeah a great way to get new players in aswell i think and an easier cross over from 40k

At first I gave props to GW for advancing Fantasy's story line. But instead of advancing it, now they're destroying it and starting over. One step forward, two steps back.

I would love new official skirmish rules for smaller games. And I think it would be a great boon to the game for introducing new players, especially if it is supported well.

I also think some Warhammer Quest style dungeon rules would be a great way for new players, and rumors are the Skaven End Times book has them.

 Bottle wrote:
I would love new official skirmish rules for smaller games. And I think it would be a great boon to the game for introducing new players, especially if it is supported well.

I also think some Warhammer Quest style dungeon rules would be a great way for new players, and rumors are the Skaven End Times book has them.

i have also heard rumors of a switch to round bases which would support the new skirmish ideas, using the old war of the rings style movment trays for larger games to rank up

I dont see how introducing skirmish style play is going to make this a cheaper start up. Its not like you can just buy 1 spear man, 1 phoenix guard etc unless you get it from ebay. A box of core is still a box of core... When I played whfb there were rules for a skirmish type game with single models anyway so dont see how this is new or going to help.

But meh. Im not fussed. Im hitting the sidelines with whfb. I think a lot of people are feeling same since ebay prices seem to have plummet somewhat.

Anyone have an idea when the new brb will be out ?

 Argive wrote:
I dont see how introducing skirmish style play is going to make this a cheaper start up. Its not like you can just buy 1 spear man, 1 phoenix guard etc unless you get it from ebay. A box of core is still a box of core... When I played whfb there were rules for a skirmish type game with single models anyway so dont see how this is new or going to help.

See, my thinking was... some of the core sets include equipment for a couple of different units. So, say, if I bought I box of skinks, I could make a mix of skinks armed with swords, blowpipes, and javelins, from one box. and other sets have more potential variety.

of course, i've got no idea how any potential skirmish rules are going to work. but my idea was that if it worked that way, you could potentially get a skirmish game going with just a core box from each side. and that would be significantly cheaper than a full army.