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Verviedi wrote:
That's really all the store needs. There's never more than 8 people.

No, that is apparently all that your store needs and you have my utmost sympathy for it.

My FLGS last weekend and double that number of tables playing pickup games of WMH, a FoW tournament and a MtG tournament going at the same time.

Verviedi wrote:
Explain why this is bad.

It is bad because as a 37 year old adult I'm not particularly fond of interacting with people below the age of 18 that are not my own son.

Verviedi wrote:

Well, I don't. I have no wish to play dead games it's impossible to get models for.

Good for you, but wasn't the point of this thread to ask why OTHER PEOPLE didn't particularly like GW stores? So you don't find the need to play other games that are not 40k or Fantasy, other people play a bigger range of games, so they wan't a place where they can play those games.

I used those particular games to try and illustrate the point that even some GW games are not allowed in GW stores.

Verviedi wrote:
So hate for the purpose of hate?

Where do you get the hate from? Some people like to use non-GW models in their GW armies, because they are cheaper, or cooler or for whatever other reason that they may want and that is a perfectly fine and valid way to enjoy the wargaming hobby, so again, those people might not like GW stores because they can't use those models in there.

Verviedi wrote:
Which are occupied by people playing games I don't care about

Again, I thought the purpose of this thread was for us to explain to you the reasons why we don't like GW stores... You don't care about other games, cool...

Verviedi wrote:
Well, I want to play 40K using GW miniatures.

Good for you, can you grasp the concept that other people might like other miniature lines? What was the point of this thread again?

and you also generally have a higher age average for the players present since for some reason parents don't treat FLGS like they are free daycare like they do with GW stores.

Verviedi wrote:
So I'll be excluded from everything? Sounds like the only way to make people not discrimate is to figuratively take a nuke to a knife fight and roll out the Serpent/Wraithknight Spam + 2+ rerollable list.

I'm sorry, but what? Your reply to my comment makes absolutely 0 sense.

Verviedi wrote:
Ability to play dead games, discrimination without consequence, and the ability to run proxies like toy cars for Land Raiders? Nope.

Ability to play other games than just 40k or Fantasy.

And discrimination?
I'm pretty sure that even in a GW store no one can force someone to play against another person if they don't want to.

Also its younger kids that usually run things like toys as proxies for actual miniatures adult gamers don't usually have toys lying around.

Why do I get the feeling this thread was basically nothing more than a "rah rah GW is awesome" type of thread?

Well, of course a GW store can be your FLGS and I am sure there are good ones. However, most FLGS carry non-GW stuff as well, and a lot of it is very useful.

Now, my issue is that my local GW store is not Friendly, so at most it's an non F.. LGS. Frankly, my local GW store gives me a far worse impression of the company than if it didn't exist, and the local employee that I've run into is anything but ambassadorial for the company.

I live on the west coast of Canada, and the person who manned the local GW store the last few times I've gone there is a dick. I would not buy stuff from him if he gave me a 50% off coupon. The guy was full of himself -- his miniatures were okay, but he seemed to think that his barely tabletop+ standard models were all Golden Daemon winners, generally bragged a lot, and said things to other people that were totally untrue, like:

- When you buy a Forge World model, it is hand sculpted (what the ****), which is why they are expensive and take so long to send out?!

- Primer was made only because people are lazy and don't wash their models first (and yet, 3/4 of the models he had on tables were only primed with GW chaos black -- unpainted). I mean, dude, have you ever tried handling a model with spots that were unprimed?

- He said that GW made some absurd number of models per hour, all day long -- like 50,000 or something. I mean, does he think we're all slowed or something? Just figuring on the basic arithmetic of 8766 hours per year... GW certainly does not sell half a billion models.

- When some guy pointed out that most of the other stores selling GW stuff cost less for the same product, the GW employee replied to the poor shmuck, "There isn't a sign out there saying 'Cheap Stuff'". Like.... Seriously?

- He was totally dismissive about the usefulness of an airbrush, and was telling people that spray cans were superior.

When I go into my other local stores (there are about 4), the staff are generally interested in peoples' projects, spend time just shooting the breeze, and just a lot friendlier. Now, I've heard them give bad advice from time to time, but they are *definitely* not as... defensive and a braggart as the GW guy is.

And/but: I really like GW product. They get like, $500 or more of my money every month.

PhantomViper wrote:

Verviedi wrote:
Ability to play dead games, discrimination without consequence, and the ability to run proxies like toy cars for Land Raiders? Nope.

Ability to play other games than just 40k or Fantasy.

Nah, man. Those other games are dead. They just don't know it yet

As noted, in the US GW stores are relatively rare. They're also usually very small. When I lived in San Diego, we only just got a GW store for the entire metro area of several million people south of LA in like 2013 I believe. It had a total of 2 tables and was stuck in a tiny strip mall you had to go hunting for, and was incredibly tight for space, and had very short hours (like noon to 5). The FLGS 3 or 4 miles away had 8 tables and far more games from Chess sets to Magic to Settlers of Cataan to 40k and Warmachine and lots of other stuff and was open until 10 or 11pm, and that was notably smaller than the "big" store for 40k about 8 miles south.

WayneTheGame wrote:
Why do I get the feeling this thread was basically nothing more than a "rah rah GW is awesome" type of thread?

Nope. GW's policies are awful, and their price gouging is also bad. But I like their stores better than independents.

My FLGS and GW store are the same.

GW is the closest store by far, normally has a good sized group of people, and is operated by a very nice and friendly group of guys.

The showcases show armies that have won tournaments and/or painting awards at tournaments.

Always a great place to build my armies.

PhantomViper wrote:

Verviedi wrote:
Explain why this is bad.

It is bad because as a 37 year old adult I'm not particularly fond of interacting with people below the age of 18 that are not my own son.

I've never really understood this attitude. Would you mind explaining it?

Why would you not want to play against a person, even if they were much younger then you?

and you also generally have a higher age average for the players present since for some reason parents don't treat FLGS like they are free daycare like they do with GW stores.

Verviedi wrote:
So I'll be excluded from everything? Sounds like the only way to make people not discrimate is to figuratively take a nuke to a knife fight and roll out the Serpent/Wraithknight Spam + 2+ rerollable list.

I'm sorry, but what? Your reply to my comment makes absolutely 0 sense.

Verviedi's profile states his age, and with it his reply makes (some) sense.

Because he is still under 18, you would have him not go to GW stores or FLGS to build, paint, or wait for a pickup game (if possible). That seems very discriminatory based on his age.

Verviedi wrote:
Ability to play dead games, discrimination without consequence, and the ability to run proxies like toy cars for Land Raiders? Nope.

Ability to play other games than just 40k or Fantasy.

And discrimination?
I'm pretty sure that even in a GW store no one can force someone to play against another person if they don't want to.

Also its younger kids that usually run things like toys as proxies for actual miniatures adult gamers don't usually have toys lying around.

Yes, age discrimination is a real thing.

I can drive, and normally do so, when going to the local GW. Would you consider it 'free daycare' because I am under 18? Where do you draw the line?

The only proxies I have seen (I don't count using a LR as a Battlewagon, or a Rhino for a Trukk, as both were converted when we played again the next week) were by adults (20-30). Every youth have met that plays 40k has used GW models, bar a Trukk converted from a Sherman tank that was covered in Orky bitz (Trukk kit was used to convert that and a SM Rhino into Trukks)

Not for me... Wysiwyg -- I wont accept a trukk as s LR, much less a Tonka And no, that plasma gun is not a middle launcher.

And it must be painted.

Now, 16 or 66 I could care less about. If they are a douche, I wont play with them again.

At an FLGS, we play 40k because that's the system we want to play. Others play WMH. Others, Star Wars. FoW comes and goes. Malifaux had a following for a while. At a GW store, its 40k or GTFO.

I consider the hobby to be wargamminh/miniatures, and 40k is just one flavor. If we want to try Infinity, we'll try it (if my Icestorm kit ever gets here, that is). Or any other game. No lockin. The FLGS is a place for tabletop nerds to gather. Wargames, RPGs, CCGs, boardgames, etc have mostly-overlapping demographics. So, why lock yourself into one game of one type of game? Yes, you love it now, but what about two years from now?

A couple years back, D&D was virtually synonymous with RPG, and was easily the lion's share of the market (3.0/3.5). The system worked (yes, druids OP and such, but it still did great), and was quite open (Iron Kingdoms was an amazing gameworld, but wasn't from WotC). Then 4th came out, and it was considered crap by many long time players (not all). A large number of players stuck with 3.5, and Pathfinder effectively forked it. The result? When someone says 'RPG' now, they're rarely talking about d&d. In fact, most of the times I hear 'd&d', they're using it to refer to other RPGs these days. D&d is still around, but dropped from dominance to bit player.

If it were a d&d group/shop instead of a generic or LGS? Well, tough. D&d or gtfo. But if your group were an RPG group, or you played at a LGS, bfd. Play what you want.

Its good to be able to switch if something better comes along. Why should your venue or plastic crack dealer tie you into a single system when it could just give you a table, take your order, and let you explore worlds?

I actually looked at WMH years ago because we were playing a 3.5 Iron Kingdoms campaign, and I loved the world. Picked up some Cygnar (my character was Cygnarian) to try it, and had a blast. But a smaller group of people in my LGS were playing Warhammer, and for various reasons (not gonna derail this thread), I eventually switched to it. It was a better match for me. Someone else started with 40k, and wound up switching to WMH, because it was a better fit. With the freedom of an LGS, it was fluid. Its simply better (for the hobbyist) to have less lockin.

There is also substantial benefit in less centralized management in this regard. A boneheaded move bones one FLGS or all of GW. An anti-hobbyist rule bones one FLGS or all of GW. And so FLGSes can evolve much more readily, and much more in step with hobbyists.

As an addendum, when I went into the FLGS in the Twin Cities, it seemed downright sketchy. The salesman WS very pushy. Tried to get me to start an allied detachment even whrn I said I didn't like the idea. And some guy came in with two kids (walk-in, knew nothing about the store). One kid was looking at a WHFB box, and the other a 40k box. I warn the dad that they probably want to use the same system, so they can play eachother. He asks the associate about it, and the associate tells him they're all for the same game...

All GW stores suck!

Actually, as pointed out they are a mixed feeling where the guy in charge is leaned on by management to sell product and when I am playing there I tend to feel I need to buy something or be charged with loitering...

At least at a FLGS I have a variety of product to choose from when I feel a need to "put another coin in the meter".

I have branched out on few game types so I have a little more choice on what I want to play in a store that is not tied to a brand.

I feel it is the proper and ethical thing to do to add to a store's bottom line if they host games and are a meeting place even if prices are not ideal compared to another local store that does not host. GW stores are governed by another layer of management where the guy you see really has no control over what becomes "law" in the store so personal relationships may have no impact on policy unlike a FLGS.

In my location in the US we had a halfway decent GW store in a mall, with easy direct highway access to reach it and close to a mall entrance so no worries about traipsing through the mall keeping your minis safe from crowds. It had a dozen tables and a solid staff who were pretty nice and was open 9-9 every day except Sunday when they were open until 6. The numbers were not there in sales, though, as the mall was in a more lower income area than high rent district, but the staff worked their asses off and got the sales up and made the store really profitable. They were rewarded a couple years ago by all being fired and the store turned into a single man operation in a strip mall no where near any highways with ridiculously curtailed hours and no space at all. So now I have zero desire or interest to go to that store anymore. Still friends with some of the liquidated staff and just can't be bothered to drive for an hour through choked traffic and traffic lights at every corner to arrive and find the store is closed even though it is supposed to be open at that time according to the sign on the door because it only has a single staffer and he had to run out or is sick or something.

Like many others in this thread I prefer places where I can play a variety of games and get stuff for them as well. I am a big fan of Flames of War and enjoy Bolt Action and have been a historcal gamer for about 37 years of my life (which is another dozen years longer than I've been playing GW games) so enjoying Darkest Africa themed games and British Colonials. Also trying Malifaux on for size as well. Can't play any of those in a GW store. I also am still a big fan of GW's Epic scale systems along with Blood Bowl and Necromunda. Can't play those in a GW store either, but often can find friends who will meet up at the FLGS for a go. I've got my own 4x8 table at home and a huge amount of scenery so don't need to play in a store anymore either if I don't want to and generally do all my 40k gaming at home anyway these days.

You are more than welcome to be totally happy only playing 40k or WFB in your local GW and having fun with the other 7 or so folks who do so. Nothing wrong with that at all, just don't ask for people why they prefer their FLGS over a GW store and then get defensive about it. No one is telling you that you can't enjoy where you play.

Skriker

Verviedi wrote:
That's really all the store needs. There's never more than 8 people.

8 people + 2 tables = 4 people playing, 4 people waiting. How exactly is this better than a store with 20+ tables where all 8 people can play simultaneously?

So hate for the purpose of hate?

No, it's just pointing out the obvious advantage for the independent store. GW's policies about non-GW models might be good business for them, but from the point of view of the customer a store where you can use GW models and non-GW models is superior.

Well, I want to play 40K using GW miniatures.

Then it sounds like you're GW's perfect customer: young enough not to know or care about all the non-GW alternatives, and eager to keep it that way.

 Peregrine wrote:

Verviedi wrote:
That's really all the store needs. There's never more than 8 people.

8 people + 2 tables = 4 people playing, 4 people waiting. How exactly is this better than a store with 20+ tables where all 8 people can play simultaneously?

So hate for the purpose of hate?

No, it's just pointing out the obvious advantage for the independent store. GW's policies about non-GW models might be good business for them, but from the point of view of the customer a store where you can use GW models and non-GW models is superior.

Well, I want to play 40K using GW miniatures.

Then it sounds like you're GW's perfect customer: young enough not to know or care about all the non-GW alternatives, and eager to keep it that way.

You can actually double up and play 2v2 on one table. This works especially well if one person doesn't have a huge number of models. I don't ever think I've seen 8 people wanting to play at my GW store (at the same time) lol lol. On the other hand, they do have a RoB table set up, which is pretty nice. I can't recall how many tables they do have, buy it's much less than most shops, though each is of excellent quality.

On a different note, the perfect GW client in my mind is someone who prefer the modelling/fluff aspect. Models from other games are nit nearly as customizable, and the cost per model for GW is quite competitive, if the price per army is not. There are also so many models and factions that it's pretty much impossible to run out of stuff to paint and model.

Also, deep pockets helps, as many aspects of the game outside of the models (eg books, templates, markers) are all very expensive, and if you DO play and like yo experiment with other units, it gets really expensive really quick.

The biggest difference I have seen is that where I live GW stores tend to be designed as a retail outlet with maybe a single table or just as a retail outlet with a table for demos.

On the other hand the game store where I am at is much more focused on giving players a place to play that sells games to keep the doors open.

Talys wrote:
You can actually double up and play 2v2 on one table. This works especially well if one person doesn't have a huge number of models.

Only if you don't mind spending the extra time trying to organize a 2v2 game, or playing a small game on less than a standard 6x4 table. I guess it's possible if you have no other choice, but why would you want to play at a store where you have to do that when you can instead go somewhere that has enough tables for every game to have a full 6x4 table? It's not like the extra tables prevent you from doing small games or 2v2 if you really want to, the independent store just has more options available.

On the other hand, they do have a RoB table set up, which is pretty nice.

IMO, not really. RoB tables are actually pretty bad. The built-in hills are annoying, especially with the slick plastic surface that allows models to slide around easily. It's not bad if you don't have anything else to play on, but in my experience most independent stores have better tables with nicer terrain.

@Talys: I got a 20 dollar box of 30 28mm Ancient Germans that has 60 or more weapons from a company called Wargames Factory. This box disagrees with your assertion that models from other games are not nearly as customizable, among other things.

Sorry...make that 110 weapons...not bad for 30 dudes at $20

 Peregrine wrote:

Verviedi wrote:
That's really all the store needs. There's never more than 8 people.

8 people + 2 tables = 4 people playing, 4 people waiting. How exactly is this better than a store with 20+ tables where all 8 people can play simultaneously?

So hate for the purpose of hate?

No, it's just pointing out the obvious advantage for the independent store. GW's policies about non-GW models might be good business for them, but from the point of view of the customer a store where you can use GW models and non-GW models is superior. Which is "superior"?



Or... This....

Well, I want to play 40K using GW miniatures.

Then it sounds like you're GW's perfect customer: young enough not to know or care about all the non-GW alternatives, and eager to keep it that way.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. I am fully aware of the alternatives, but they pale in comparison to 40k. Infinity? Low model count game with non-cohesive factions. WMH? Low model count game with aesthetics I don't like. BFG? Played it once. Dead and impossible to find rules/models. X-Wing? Pre-painted. Bolt Action? Hideous models.
In addition, you assume because of my age I am ignorant. This is false. I merely enjoy 40k. If you believe that anyone who enjoys 40k and only 40k is ignorant or immature, you are the ignorant and immature one.

 jasper76 wrote:
@Talys: I got a 20 dollar box of 30 28mm Ancient Germans that has 60 or more weapons from a company called Wargames Factory. This box disagrees with your assertion that models from other games are not nearly as customizable, among other things.

I'm talking about scifi/fantasy, in which PP is the only competitor with a large range (thousands) of models.

I have zero interest in historical models, or models without futuristic or magical weapons -- preferably with accompanying fluff. Reaper has some models, but many of them are terrible (I have most of what they make, simply because it's cheap, and some of the Bones models are interesting). Plus, no regular new release schedule.

Hint: I'm not just talking about non-GW games and models. For example, GW loves people who only play in GW stores and never realize that their glue/knives/scenery products/etc are just the normal hobby supplies you can find in a non-GW store for half the price with a GW logo glued onto the side of the box.

@Talys: Fair enough. 40k is the only non-historical game that I personally collect models for, though I play others.

 Peregrine wrote:


IMO, not really. RoB tables are actually pretty bad. The built-in hills are annoying, especially with the slick plastic surface that allows models to slide around easily. It's not bad if you don't have anything else to play on, but in my experience most independent stores have better tables with nicer terrain.

It is actually the urban RoB board they have, and it's even painted. Most flgs have a felt table

Verviedi wrote:
Which is "superior"?

You're missing the point. This isn't a choice between playing with GW models in a GW store or playing with non-GW models in a non-GW store. It's perfectly acceptable to take your GW models to a non-GW store and play a game of 40k. But what the non-GW store gives you is OPTIONS. At a non-GW store you can freely choose which models to use and which games to play. At a GW store the choice is made for you: you can only use the official GW products. So I really don't see how it's so hard to understand that when store A lets you do everything that store B does, but A also gives you options that B doesn't have, that makes A the better store.

 Peregrine wrote:
Hint: I'm not just talking about non-GW games and models. For example, GW loves people who only play in GW stores and never realize that their glue/knives/scenery products/etc are just the normal hobby supplies you can find in a non-GW store for half the price with a GW logo glued onto the side of the box.

I use Scotch/Loctite superglue and Testors plastic cement.
My clippers are some random no-brand that have never failed me.
I bought my knife and files from Home Depot, and the knife's blades have lasted longer than any GW blades.
I have one GW scenery piece, my beloved modular hill. The rest of my terrain is Pegasus Hobby.
Yes, I use GW paint. I find it very nice, and it gives me good results.

Verviedi wrote:
I have one GW scenery piece, my beloved modular hill. The rest of my terrain is Pegasus Hobby.

And I'm sure that your local GW store is happy to have you bring that non-GW terrain in and play games with it.

 Peregrine wrote:

Verviedi wrote:
Which is "superior"?

You're missing the point. This isn't a choice between playing with GW models in a GW store or playing with non-GW models in a non-GW store. It's perfectly acceptable to take your GW models to a non-GW store and play a game of 40k. But what the non-GW store gives you is OPTIONS. At a non-GW store you can freely choose which models to use and which games to play. At a GW store the choice is made for you: you can only use the official GW products. So I really don't see how it's so hard to understand that when store A lets you do everything that store B does, but A also gives you options that B doesn't have, that makes A the better store.

I do not see the point in saying that store A would give me opportunities that store B doesn't give when I would not use the opportunities anyway. Any things I do not like about GW models is easily solved with greenstuff and third party bits. For example, the Cadian models are awful, so I use Maxmini Greatcoat legs and gas mask heads, hack off the Cadian pauldrons, and use GS to disguise the joints. The model is still legal for store play.
Even if I wanted to use a different weapon that doesn't come in the kit (Meltaguns + Guard), I'll cut off the barrel of a Lasgun, modify a Flamer barrel for the barrel, use guitar wire for the power cable, and modify my Flamer casing into that thing that hangs off the side of the Meltagun. There's no point in using entirely non-GW models, as I can convert the models I don't like until I like them.
Saying you have options is null and void if you will not use the options anyway.


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 Peregrine wrote:

Verviedi wrote:
I have one GW scenery piece, my beloved modular hill. The rest of my terrain is Pegasus Hobby.

And I'm sure that your local GW store is happy to have you bring that non-GW terrain in and play games with it.

Why would I bring terrain? They supply the full range of Citadel terrain for use in-store for anyone. My Pegasus stuff is for home play.

Why wouldn't you want options. Has it crossed your mind that one day....maybe years and years from now, you might get bored with 40k...even if it's just for a little while.

Lots of people get into historicals when they get older, for example.

Verviedi wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

Verviedi wrote:
Which is "superior"?

You're missing the point. This isn't a choice between playing with GW models in a GW store or playing with non-GW models in a non-GW store. It's perfectly acceptable to take your GW models to a non-GW store and play a game of 40k. But what the non-GW store gives you is OPTIONS. At a non-GW store you can freely choose which models to use and which games to play. At a GW store the choice is made for you: you can only use the official GW products. So I really don't see how it's so hard to understand that when store A lets you do everything that store B does, but A also gives you options that B doesn't have, that makes A the better store.

I do not see the point in saying that store A would give me opportunities that store B doesn't give when I would not use the opportunities anyway. Any things I do not like about GW models is easily solved with greenstuff and third party bits. For example, the Cadian models are awful, so I use Maxmini Greatcoat legs and gas mask heads, hack off the Cadian pauldrons, and use GS to disguise the joints. The model is still legal for store play.
Even if I wanted to use a different weapon that doesn't come in the kit (Meltaguns + Guard), I'll cut off the barrel of a Lasgun, modify a Flamer barrel for the barrel, use guitar wire for the power cable, and modify my Flamer casing into that thing that hangs off the side of the Meltagun. There's no point in using entirely non-GW models, as I can convert the models I don't like until I like them.
Saying you have options is null and void if you will not use the options anyway.


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 Peregrine wrote:

Verviedi wrote:
I have one GW scenery piece, my beloved modular hill. The rest of my terrain is Pegasus Hobby.

And I'm sure that your local GW store is happy to have you bring that non-GW terrain in and play games with it.

Why would I bring terrain? They supply the full range of Citadel terrain for use in-store for anyone. My Pegasus stuff is for home play.

For you it may be null and void but as a whole a store that gives you options(even if not used) is going to be better than a store that does not, I don't play flames of war/warmhordes but if I decided to I could go to the same store that I go to now and play with people I know already. That is definitely something that is important.

Then it sounds like you're GW's perfect customer: young enough not to know or care about all the non-GW alternatives, and eager to keep it that way.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. I am fully aware of the alternatives, but they pale in comparison to 40k. Infinity? Low model count game with non-cohesive factions. WMH? Low model count game with aesthetics I don't like. BFG? Played it once. Dead and impossible to find rules/models. X-Wing? Pre-painted. Bolt Action? Hideous models.
In addition, you assume because of my age I am ignorant. This is false. I merely enjoy 40k. If you believe that anyone who enjoys 40k and only 40k is ignorant or immature, you are the ignorant and immature one.

I prefer my FLGS because I play more than GW games and the GW store offers me nothing I can't find at the FLGS, with refreshments on offer, better staff, 3x the tables and a lot more space. It doesn't mean I dislike the GW store, merely that the GW is inferior in terms of giving me the environment I want.

Verviedi wrote:
Saying you have options is null and void if you will not use the options anyway.

True. However, you're not everyone, and not everyone plays GW games exclusively. Wasn't this topic about why other folks, beside yourself, differentiate? After reading your posts I'm not really sure what the actual point of this topic is anymore. Every time people give a valid reason for having a preference of a FLGS over a GW store you seem to try and dismiss or contradict their opinion.

Akragth wrote:
I prefer my FLGS because I play more than GW games and the GW store offers me nothing I can't find at the FLGS, with refreshments on offer, better staff, 3x the tables and a lot more space. It doesn't mean I dislike the GW store, merely that the GW is inferior in terms of giving me the environment I want.

Verviedi wrote:
Saying you have options is null and void if you will not use the options anyway.

True. However, you're not everyone, and not everyone plays GW games exclusively. Wasn't this topic about why other folks, beside yourself, differentiate? After reading your posts I'm not really sure what the actual point of this topic is anymore. Every time people give a valid reason for having a preference of a FLGS over a GW store you seem to try and dismiss or contradict their opinion.People are trying to persuade me to stop going to a GW store, and bashing GW stores.