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2014/12/19 20:41:44
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
Grey Templar wrote: I agree with everything. Except the idea that a Claymore somehow is a brutal and unsophisticated weapon which takes no skill to use. That's totally untrue.
Agreed... BUT!!!! I do hope that, giving this new sith guy a crossguard means that they treat him more like a knight/fighter, as opposed to a parkour master.... It's the biggest thing that bugged the gak out of me in the first 3 movies, with the exception of Ray Park's Darth Maul.
The OT has, IMO, by far the better lightsaber duels, precisely because they are emotional and brutal affairs. Even in RotJ, Luke's "style" of fighting is not fancy, it was adapted from fencing techniques, yes, but he didn't need somersaults, backflips, front flips or 360 No-Hand Can Cans (OK, that last one is from MX, but you get the idea)
If we're talking about claymore usage, yes, the wielders physical strength is one of the biggest keys, and yes, he/she probably isn't going to wield it with much finesse, but that does not mean there is a lack of sophistication.
2014/12/19 21:00:37
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
Well the original films were more based on Samurai films and the Jedi on Samurai. I never bought the excuse that being more of them meant they were more like Wuxia film that was given for the flips and such from the others. Hopefully they go back to that original idea more. Making Sith like knights against the Jedi being more like Samurai isn't a terrible idea either.
Spoiler:
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2014/12/19 22:21:23
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
I still can't get over that Crossguard. It doesn't make sense when there's multiple metals in Star Wars that can no-sell Lightsabers. While the EU was retconned, there's still the phrik used in the Magnaguard staves that were capable of consistently blocking lightsaber strikes.
...But making a guard that will cut your hand off defeats the purpose of putting quillons on a sword. You'd be better off with a simple basket guard on a lightsaber as well.
“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance.”
2014/12/19 22:32:01
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
Wyzilla wrote: I still can't get over that Crossguard. It doesn't make sense when there's multiple metals in Star Wars that can no-sell Lightsabers. While the EU was retconned, there's still the phrik used in the Magnaguard staves that were capable of consistently blocking lightsaber strikes.
...But making a guard that will cut your hand off defeats the purpose of putting quillons on a sword. You'd be better off with a simple basket guard on a lightsaber as well.
Lightsabres get destroyed numerous times in the films.
Obi Wan's lightsabre is destroyed by Darth Maul. Darth Maul's lightsabre is damaged by Obi Wan and cut down to just one blade. Does Luke Skywalker destory Darth vader's sword in ROTJ?
2014/12/19 22:40:07
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
Whilst making any part of any weapon inherently dangerous to its own user isn't the brightest of ideas, equally as a swordsman you simply shouldn't be hitting yourself with your own crossguard.
I certainly never have, and I don't proclaim to be particularly well trained or experience, as I only sword play (at a local club) as a hobby.
Also, I disagree with the analysis of Claymore usage, too. It's not a finesse weapon, but it still takes a good amount of training to make it in anyway effective in combat.
2014/12/19 22:43:29
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
Wyzilla wrote: I still can't get over that Crossguard. It doesn't make sense when there's multiple metals in Star Wars that can no-sell Lightsabers. While the EU was retconned, there's still the phrik used in the Magnaguard staves that were capable of consistently blocking lightsaber strikes.
...But making a guard that will cut your hand off defeats the purpose of putting quillons on a sword. You'd be better off with a simple basket guard on a lightsaber as well.
Lightsabres get destroyed numerous times in the films.
Obi Wan's lightsabre is destroyed by Darth Maul. Darth Maul's lightsabre is damaged by Obi Wan and cut down to just one blade. Does Luke Skywalker destory Darth vader's sword in ROTJ?
I'm talking about metals that can repeatedly block lightsabers. Phrik, Cortosis, Beskar, whatever the DSO 1 railing was made of, etc can all block lightsaber strikes flawlessly (Cortosis can even short the blade out), without making a guard that will cut off your hand if you try to grip it to gain leverage.
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Doctadeth wrote: To those who say that non-force users cannot use lightsabers - Remember General Grievous - He wasn't a force user, and he wielded 4 lightsabers. So....yeah
And canon I would say doesn't really matter anymore because of the reboot in franchise.
The entire design of Grievous is stupid. If you make a character who has four arms and wields four swords that can cut through most materials in the known universe, he or she should automatically win every single duel against any enemy unless they have the same number of limbs. It doesn't matter if you have precog, your precognition would only show you dying horribly, as it is physically impossible to fend off four thrusts coming from completely different angles with one blade.
It was also part of the reason why Grievous did that stupid buzz-saw thing with his swords in Episode III, as ILM didn't know how to animate a guy with four arms in a swordfight without him instantly winning.
Grievous is a cool design, but he simply shouldn't have been given four arms as it forces either him to be incompetent for the hero to win, or force the hand of the author to make a Deus Ex Machina.
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But as a fencer, history geek, and general knowledgable person of European swords, that guard on the new lightsaber is stupid, stupid, and stupid.
Lightsabers are rapiers, not longswords, claymores, zweihanders, or other large European blades designed to fight knights in Armor. Quillons aren't there simply to look purty or grab the opponent's blade, they were meant for Half Swording, gripping the blade and using the sword as a crowbar or mace and fighting in a style of combat visually similar to Judo.
However, unlike claymores and other longswords, Lightsabers are omnidirectional blades that do not require repositioning, and are impossible to half sword with effectively, indeed there isn't even a need to half-sword with them as there is very little armor in the galaxy capable of stopping a lightsaber. So make a basket hilt out of phrik goddammit.
Spoiler:
Built out of Phrik this style of hilt would easily glance any lightsaber strike off it, and were it made of cortosis weave, short circuit and kill any lightsaber that smacked it. It also wouldn't threaten the hand of the user like the current crossguard which is made of superheated plasma.
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2014/12/19 23:23:47
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
"You could cut right through those cross-guard" does strike one as a silly complaint when you talk about a weapon that could just be disabled by cutting through every other version of it anyway or which could be disabled by just cutting through your arm anyway.
2014/12/19 23:41:52
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
d-usa wrote: "You could cut right through those cross-guard" does strike one as a silly complaint when you talk about a weapon that could just be disabled by cutting through every other version of it anyway or which could be disabled by just cutting through your arm anyway.
Which is only because the owners of said weapons are bumbling idiots who overswing more often then children handed a zweihander for the first time.
The fights in the Phantom Menace are just simply cringe worthy the most. Episode III wasn't much better either. Hopefully we'll going back to the OT when it actually looked like they were fighting, and not drunken escapees from the local asylum who've never seen a sword before.
Also, even though that the EU was completely retconned by Disney, we still know that phrik is still canon, as the staffs used by the IG-100's no-sold lightsabers constantly. If you want a decent weapon, just make your sabers out of phrik. Guard will deflect or glance everything fired or swung at it, as will the hilt.
“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance.”
2014/12/20 18:38:47
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
And there's cortosis-weave which makes materials capable of withstanding lightsaber strikes. Seen in Knights of the Old Republic and other pre-film timeline media.
So it's entirely possible the hilt/guard of that lightsaber is capable of withstanding lightsaber blows. Hell, maybe the Sith warrior has a hand made of a material capable of withstanding the lightsaber?
And really, all that matters is that it looks cool and like something that a Sith warrior would use, in my opinion. It's not elegant or civilised, it's designed to kill.
Ahtman wrote: Has cortosis appeared in any of the six movies or the Clone Wars tv series?
I don't believe so, but it's appeared (or is at least mentioned in) some of the more popular Star Wars games, namely KotOR and TOR. Whilst some of the old stuff from those games might not be canon any more, the fact that TOR is still producing new content, and hasn't experienced any content purges I've heard of, suggests that what's in the game at the moment might well be officially accepted canon (or as close to it as possible). If no new content was produced, or it underwent an overhaul, it'd be arguable that only content released after the Legends statement is canon, but right now, TOR might be our only source of what remnants from Legends might still be canon.
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
2014/12/20 21:41:00
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
Avatar 720 wrote:the fact that TOR is still producing new content, and hasn't experienced any content purges I've heard of, suggests that what's in the game at the moment might well be officially accepted canon (or as close to it as possible). If no new content was produced, or it underwent an overhaul, it'd be arguable that only content released after the Legends statement is canon, but right now, TOR might be our only source of what remnants from Legends might still be canon.
Or it is reflective of a contract that stipulates they get to keep making stuff whether or not Disney wants them to or not.
BaronIveagh wrote:
Ahtman wrote: Has cortosis appeared in any of the six movies or the Clone Wars tv series?
No it hasn't, so, no longer canon.
That is what I thought.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2014/12/20 22:27:12
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
Ahtman wrote: Has cortosis appeared in any of the six movies or the Clone Wars tv series?
No it hasn't, so, no longer canon.
If anything which isn't in the films/tv series which are set only within a very small timeframe of the whole Star Wars universe is canon then that means the Republic basically has no official history (no Mandalorian Wars, Sith Cold War etc.)
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
2014/12/20 22:43:45
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
If anything which isn't in the films/tv series which are set only within a very small timeframe of the whole Star Wars universe is canon then that means the Republic basically has no official history (no Mandalorian Wars, Sith Cold War etc.)
Well, it could, but it would be much like things in the Wheel of Time, or GoT, where events in the past have been mentioned, but they are only a name from the past.
2014/12/21 02:10:37
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
I don't know why anyone cares that much about what's canon and what's not. If you like something in the EU, keep liking it. If you don't like some of the new stuff, forget about it.
For me, the X-Wing books are all canon. Rogue Squadron is real man. I was there.
Hordini wrote: I don't know why anyone cares that much about what's canon and what's not.
It isn't a question of like and dislike as no one can tell you what you like or dislike. It is a way of understanding what might be, or might not be, in the film.
Hordini wrote: For me, the X-Wing books are all canon. Rogue Squadron is real man. I was there.
That isn't how cannon works for the people making official things. I could say that the Christmas Special is canon because I like it but that won't make it true. Just liking a thing doesn't make it canon, after all.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2014/12/21 02:33:49
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
Hordini wrote: I don't know why anyone cares that much about what's canon and what's not.
It isn't a question of like and dislike as no one can tell you what you like or dislike. It is a way of understanding what might be, or might not be, in the film.
Hordini wrote: For me, the X-Wing books are all canon. Rogue Squadron is real man. I was there.
That isn't how cannon works for the people making official things. I could say that the Christmas Special is canon because I like it but that won't make it true. Just liking a thing doesn't make it canon, after all.
Well any of it might be in the film. We just know that it most likely won't.
And I'm not talking about the canon for the people making official things. I'm talking about my canon. You can keep the Holiday Special for your canon though.
Hordini wrote: I don't know why anyone cares that much about what's canon and what's not.
It isn't a question of like and dislike as no one can tell you what you like or dislike. It is a way of understanding what might be, or might not be, in the film.
Each and every single thing from the EU might be in the film, it just doesn't have to be. It's not like EU stuff is automatically excluded from possible plot points or having EU characters included.
2014/12/21 02:59:20
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
I would think nitty gritty details like Cortosis would remain viable. Its just the events and characters which we should forget about.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Yeah, I mean Jedi have been around for thousands of years.
When you've been around that long and using the same weapon in all that time, other people who want a fight are going to have developed some method of countering it.
The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
2014/12/21 03:31:08
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
d-usa wrote: Each and every single thing from the EU might be in the film, it just doesn't have to be. It's not like EU stuff is automatically excluded from possible plot points or having EU characters included.
Every moment is filled with unmanifested potential yet not everything occurs.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2014/12/21 03:44:43
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
d-usa wrote: Each and every single thing from the EU might be in the film, it just doesn't have to be. It's not like EU stuff is automatically excluded from possible plot points or having EU characters included.
Every moment is filled with unmanifested potential yet not everything occurs.
Schrödinger's Star Wars: everything is canon and nothing is canon, until you watch the movie both states exist!
2014/12/21 03:48:30
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
d-usa wrote: Each and every single thing from the EU might be in the film, it just doesn't have to be. It's not like EU stuff is automatically excluded from possible plot points or having EU characters included.
Every moment is filled with unmanifested potential yet not everything occurs.
Schrödinger's Star Wars: everything is canon and nothing is canon, until you watch the movie both states exist!
Hordini wrote: I don't know why anyone cares that much about what's canon and what's not.
It isn't a question of like and dislike as no one can tell you what you like or dislike. It is a way of understanding what might be, or might not be, in the film.
Each and every single thing from the EU might be in the film, it just doesn't have to be. It's not like EU stuff is automatically excluded from possible plot points or having EU characters included.
No. Disney/Lucasfilm straight up purged it all and kicked it into its own alternate universe, "Legends". They may raid it for material for later films, but it probably won't resemble the original material at all.
Which is good for some things (The Vong), and horrible for others (Rogue Squadron and Wedge Awesomesauce).
“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance.”
2014/12/21 04:58:59
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