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 Theophony wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
Wait, I thought only power armor figs were switching over...it's going to be all of them?

No one knows except GW.

Your giving GW too much credit, they don't know either.

This.

Or, someone knows, but that person will be fired in a month or two and the "strategy" will change again in a few months when they don't immediately get the reaction they were looking for. Which, by the way, was everyone opening their wallets for the latest greatest hotness.

 punchdub wrote:
This.

Or, someone knows, but that person will be fired in a month or two and the "strategy" will change again in a few months when they don't immediately get the reaction they were looking for. Which, by the way, was everyone opening their wallets for the latest greatest hotness.

Does the tinfoil hat restrict bloodflow?

 pretre wrote:

 punchdub wrote:
This.

Or, someone knows, but that person will be fired in a month or two and the "strategy" will change again in a few months when they don't immediately get the reaction they were looking for. Which, by the way, was everyone opening their wallets for the latest greatest hotness.

Does the tinfoil hat restrict bloodflow?

So KHORNE hates tinfoil hats then because he does not care where it flows from just that it flows.

I'll probably cast my own, and base any new marines I do on them, but I'm not concerned about rebasing anything I've already done.

I'm keeping my old SM's on their original bases. I received my new Blood Angels and man, I love those 32mm bases! They make the old bases look rediculous really, and those guys that like making the bases look good you'll have some more room to make them

 Kelly502 wrote:
I'm keeping my old SM's on their original bases. I received my new Blood Angels and man, I love those 32mm bases! They make the old bases look rediculous really, and those guys that like making the bases look good you'll have some more room to make them

This is actually quite true. From a modelling perspective, the new bases on space marines look fantastic. The size is quite balanced with the tac squad and death company models.

Talys wrote:

 Kelly502 wrote:
I'm keeping my old SM's on their original bases. I received my new Blood Angels and man, I love those 32mm bases! They make the old bases look rediculous really, and those guys that like making the bases look good you'll have some more room to make them

This is actually quite true. From a modelling perspective, the new bases on space marines look fantastic. The size is quite balanced with the tac squad and death company models.

Agreed, I think the 30-32 mm bases fit the marine-sized models better. I would like to know though whether all models are going to switch. I'm waiting for a big bunch of DKoK and would rather know in advance how big the bases should be.

DKoK are slim and slight in stature, they just won't have the presence to fill a 32mm base, it'll look too big.

I agree that the 32mm bases do look much better on a number of models. Hell, my Necron Warriors could use it the most with those wide "I'm dumping" leg stance. If I didn't have all of my Necrons on scenic bases, I'd probably mind less to switching them.

I do wish that GW would have taken a look an gone "Well 30mm is another standard size for many things, so why don't we use that size so people aren't screwed with their scenics." instead of "No one uses 32mm. If we make those everyone will have to buy from us. mwahaha!"

Already started gluing Black Reach tacs to 30mm bases...

So I guess it's safe to buy 32mm bases for all un-built Infantry I have, I'm going to work on Orks next so I'm about to order a bunch of 32mm's.
does anyone know if GW is adding 32's to their older kits like Ork Infantry and Storm Boyz?


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I sent off an email to GW Customer Service with a few questions about the new bases etc. I will post the original email and the reply when it comes out.

I just wrote to them about the Orks I am assembling. This is the response I received:


Thank you for writing in to us. The 32mm bases are a great basing option to offer more basing possibilities and to make your models look great, but there is no mandate on which base size must be used. Some kits will come with 32mm bases, such as the new Blood Angels, but unfortunately we have no information on what bases will be included with future models (or existing ones should they be updated), so i apologize that I have nothing to offer there.

I hope this has been of some help, I hope you have a great afternoon.

-Dan Keliikoa


Games Workshop
North America Customer Services

 Kelly502 wrote:
So I guess it's safe to buy 32mm bases for all un-built Infantry I have, I'm going to work on Orks next so I'm about to order a bunch of 32mm's.

Are they out already?

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/32mm-Round-Bases-x10

Blimey.

Probably won't help American customers much, but for UK peeps: a third or cheaper.

 Vermis wrote:

 Kelly502 wrote:
So I guess it's safe to buy 32mm bases for all un-built Infantry I have, I'm going to work on Orks next so I'm about to order a bunch of 32mm's.

Are they out already?

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/32mm-Round-Bases-x10

Blimey.

Probably won't help American customers much, but for UK peeps: a third or cheaper.

My OCD would not allow me to have 30mm bases in the same army as 32mm bases

aclive wrote:
I just wrote to them about the Orks I am assembling. This is the response I received:


Thank you for writing in to us. The 32mm bases are a great basing option to offer more basing possibilities and to make your models look great, but there is no mandate on which base size must be used. Some kits will come with 32mm bases, such as the new Blood Angels, but unfortunately we have no information on what bases will be included with future models (or existing ones should they be updated), so i apologize that I have nothing to offer there.

I hope this has been of some help, I hope you have a great afternoon.

-Dan Keliikoa


Games Workshop
North America Customer Services

"These provided new bases are great for you, trust us. It will make your models look better, trust us. We know best for you, so we won't give an official statement, so just trust us."

 RivenSkull wrote:

aclive wrote:
I just wrote to them about the Orks I am assembling. This is the response I received:


Thank you for writing in to us. The 32mm bases are a great basing option to offer more basing possibilities and to make your models look great, but there is no mandate on which base size must be used. Some kits will come with 32mm bases, such as the new Blood Angels, but unfortunately we have no information on what bases will be included with future models (or existing ones should they be updated), so i apologize that I have nothing to offer there.

I hope this has been of some help, I hope you have a great afternoon.

-Dan Keliikoa


Games Workshop
North America Customer Services

"These provided new bases are great for you, trust us. It will make your models look better, trust us. We know best for you, so we won't give an official statement, so just trust us."

Yeah, no kidding. Sometimes i just want to deep-fry the community managers/customer-support/spokespersons and anyone responsible for the information policy in boiling mercury. A less helpfull statement is barely possible unless you want to interpret it as "we don't give a rat's ass about how you base the miniatures, as long as you buy the bases from us"

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
My OCD would not allow me to have 30mm bases in the same army as 32mm bases

As a sufferer myself (you should've seen my distress in looking for a single style of base for Epic etc., and the prospect of trying to chop 'em out of plasticard) it'd probably be cheaper to base everything on 30mms, including the stuff that already comes with 32s.

 Kosake wrote:
"we don't give a rat's ass about how you base the miniatures, as long as you buy the bases from us"

This is precisely how I interpreted it. And since they don't give a rat's ass, I will be basing all of my 40k PA sized infantry and jump infantry minis on these 32mm bases...now, to find a cheaper way to get them...

I gave my son a vanilla Space Marine Tac squad (still on sprues from my collection) for Christmas this year, and as we were assembling the first one with the beakie helmet ( he asked me why it didn't have more beakie helmets), he said "Where are the bases?" And I realized I didn't include any bases, because I wasn't sure which size base I should tell him to use...I mean, who knows if the vanilla Space Marine tac squad box will get re-packaged with 32mm bases or not? But if they do, then my son will have the wrong base size on all of his newly assembled Marines...In the end, I just gave him a packet of 25mm ones, only because I only have the 5 32mm ones that came with Deathstorm so far...


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 Vermis wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
My OCD would not allow me to have 30mm bases in the same army as 32mm bases

As a sufferer myself (you should've seen my distress in looking for a single style of base for Epic etc., and the prospect of trying to chop 'em out of plasticard) it'd probably be cheaper to base everything on 30mms, including the stuff that already comes with 32s.

I feel you. BTW, what did you end up deciding on for your epic bases? I am still struggling with this decision...

There is a certain logic in some models such as Marines and Orks being based in 32mm (and perhaps as someone suggested above, even Necrons). However, IMO they're far too big for smaller miniatures like Tau and Imperial Guard.

We'll know more the next time they release a mini for Tau, Eldar (either shade), Imperial Guard, Grots, smaller Tyranid species etc etc.

I think it will probably go something like this...

Bulky models = 40mm
T4 = 32mm
T3 = 25mm

So, if that email is to be believed, then it's even further proof they actually give zero craps about the actual game. Because base size isn't important or anything. And if that's the case, why do the continue to sell game stuff at the most ludicrous rate?

This is just gross. I agree certain models look better on the bases, but I'd rather ones with wide stances (made so for mold purposes, I bet) were made standing up taller to still fit 25mm and give them a more imposing look. Rather, that is, from widening the bases which changes game mechanics and transport options for players.

The impact on game mechanics is the big issue, but didn't see people complaining about the impact of large vehicles, massive walkers and huge monstrous creatures (or specifically their bases).

 Flashman wrote:
The impact on game mechanics is the big issue, but didn't see people complaining about the impact of large vehicles, massive walkers and huge monstrous creatures (or specifically their bases).

This isn't an introduction of new models that require unique/specific bases (but I highly doubt GW gives actual thought to base size in gaming perspective). It is more a situation of mucking with what currently works and creating an issue of "just one more thing that can be gamed." There are advantages and disadvantages of larger/smaller bases that can be considered. It's just the rules of the game getting looser and looser.

If anything, the larger base size is a negative (game-wise) for players that choose them over the 25mm ones...the models don't move any faster, they just have a slightly larger footprint. You could say that blast templates and area effects would 'catch' fewer models, but I feel like the cons more than make up for this...deep striking footprint being the most notable (making mishaps/loss of models more likely), placing figures on/in terrain will be harder, benefiting from cover will be harder, fitting squads between terrain elements will be harder, causing them to bunch up more. people who like to place their Orks on their Trukks and Battle Wagonz will find that a bit harder as well.

Some non-game-changing pros/cons to consider...

- Better looking models, more room to personalize/decorate the base, less crowding (feet hanging over the edge syndrome).
- Better balance for tall/top-heavy models (scourges, Storm Boyz, Assault Marines W/JPs)
- pre-cut foam trays may not accommodate new size, storage solutions may need to change or be upgraded
- Cost of re-basing models that don't already come with them
- Complaints from players who think the bases give you an unfair advantage in-game, despite GWs statement saying use either size.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
It makes no sense, GW is pushing for bigger games all the time, making cheap infantry models take up more space on the table is completely counterproductive.

Coming soon, the new 12' by 8' Realm of Battle board! Now you can easily carry around your gaming table in 6 handy 4' by 4' pieces!

And also featuring 3 times more skulls!

 Breotan wrote:
So, is there a coin that will fit that isn't much more than a nickle in value? Or a slug?

Washers come in lots of sizes and thicknesses. Grab some bases and head for the hardware store...

 Fango wrote:

I feel you. BTW, what did you end up deciding on for your epic bases? I am still struggling with this decision...

Heh! While I was dithering, certain companies were hard at work. I can go to Steel Crown or Troublemaker for strip bases (still got plenty with my Epic marines, though). For horde infantry, single figs, guns, vehicles, titans etc., Renedra has been pumping out a healthy range of flat round bases. (Heck, they've added more since I last looked. And on the subject of 30mm bases: they provide more space and effect for 28mm SMs, and I feel they do the same for five to seven 6mm orks too.) I'm also sticking my 10mm Warmaster/Mayhem armies on their rectangular bases. (along with an odd SM commander or termie squad)

Talys wrote:

Sheck2 wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I just don't understand why 32mm. Seems a little odd.

To patent a base size. They renamed all the paints, they renamed many units and whole armies, they exclude any profile without a model, etc. It's a reaction to the Chapterhouse case. Everything they sell will eventually become unique and proprietary.

It's why I'll never convert or I'll use 30mm

No, a company can't patent a 32mm plastic disc any more than it can patent a 25mm disc. Patents require an original invention.

Anyhow, SWM is already in the process of making 32mm bases.

A legal impossibility hasn't kept them from trying in the past.

I'll bet they've been flooded with that question so maybe, just maybe someone will go seek out the answer.

I'm placing an order this week and I'm going to buy a bundle of them. Man they look so much better! So many talented hobbyists out here that a well done base can really add to the model.

I'll post the email from GW as a photo of the actual email concerning the bases. I like the answer! However I still don't know if the Infantry kits purchased now and in e future will include the 32mm. Here is the answer I got.

 Flashman wrote:

Bulky models = 40mm
T4 = 32mm
T3 = 25mm

if GW had just said this i think we would all be talking about how 'that was actually quite clever' right now.