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Well I don't know if you've seen the Deathstorm boxed set but the Broodlord in there is beautiful so beautiful I bought 2 just for him. Now how to use all this crap in an army? Well this isn't my usual super efficient competitive list but hey at least I might get more of a game than I do with my AstraDar. But I still think this could be relatively effective whilst using nearly everything from the 2 boxed sets:

CAD1
Flyrant: Dakka, Electroshock 240

Zoanthrope: 50
Zoanthrope: 50
5 Zoanthropes: Neurothrope; Tyrannocyte: Venom Cannons 375

Genestealers: Broodlord 130
Warriors: Barbed Strangler 100

Carnifex: Dakka 150

CAD2
Flyrant: Dakka, Electroshock 240

Venomthrope: 45

Genestealers: Broodlord 130
Warriors: Barbed Strangler 100

Carnifex: Dakka 150

SPORE FIELD
Mucolid Spore 15
Mucolid Spore 15
Mucolid Spore 15
Spore Mines 15
Spore Mines 15
Spore Mines 15

So I'm using a Venomthrope without a Bastion . Though I have lots of infiltrating interference with the Spore Field and Stealers. The idea is they provide a distraction whilst I throw a lot of pinning tests at my opponent.

The list boasts 12 Warp Charge which is pretty healthy and 8 brain leech devourers which should provide solid AT and solid psychic offence. I still have 4 ObSec units and lots of Synapse so I'm more invested in troops than I normally would for Nids though I feel these units will work for me (and the 2 Broodlords are obviously non negotiable).

What do you think is this entirely worthless against decent lists or viable against non top tier but competitive lists (against top tier I'd rock out my AstraDar and teach them a lesson in warhammer).

 FlingitNow wrote:
Well I don't know if you've seen the Deathstorm boxed set but the Broodlord in there is beautiful so beautiful I bought 2 just for him. Now how to use all this crap in an army? Well this isn't my usual super efficient competitive list but hey at least I might get more of a game than I do with my AstraDar. But I still think this could be relatively effective whilst using nearly everything from the 2 boxed sets:

CAD1
Flyrant: Dakka, Electroshock 240

Zoanthrope: 50
Zoanthrope: 50
5 Zoanthropes: Neurothrope; Tyrannocyte: Venom Cannons 375

Genestealers: Broodlord 130
Warriors: Barbed Strangler 100

Carnifex: Dakka 150

CAD2
Flyrant: Dakka, Electroshock 240

Venomthrope: 45

Genestealers: Broodlord 130
Warriors: Barbed Strangler 100

Carnifex: Dakka 150

SPORE FIELD
Mucolid Spore 15
Mucolid Spore 15
Mucolid Spore 15
Spore Mines 15
Spore Mines 15
Spore Mines 15

So I'm using a Venomthrope without a Bastion . Though I have lots of infiltrating interference with the Spore Field and Stealers. The idea is they provide a distraction whilst I throw a lot of pinning tests at my opponent.

The list boasts 12 Warp Charge which is pretty healthy and 8 brain leech devourers which should provide solid AT and solid psychic offence. I still have 4 ObSec units and lots of Synapse so I'm more invested in troops than I normally would for Nids though I feel these units will work for me (and the 2 Broodlords are obviously non negotiable).

What do you think is this entirely worthless against decent lists or viable against non top tier but competitive lists (against top tier I'd rock out my AstraDar and teach them a lesson in warhammer).

Looks kinda cool. I hear tell the box and/or book has two or more new formations, one of which is custom made for the new "soopa" Broodlord... "Annihilation swarm? I don't use a bastion, and I seem to be "OK". But that might be a "meta" thing...If you trim a Zoey or two, drop the upgrade on the pod, and lose one Stealer...I think you can add one more Dakkafex. That should help you hypnotise the foe into not gunning down your Stealer Broods when you Infiltrate.... I think two Zoeys and a Neuro in a Pod is still a credible force, even without Venom Cannons...

The Formations in the box will be terrible if Stormclaw is anything to go by. I can't drop a stealer both units are min size.

I need 5 Zoes to deal with Knights and the Venom Cannons further augment my ability to deal with armour so I'm not dropping any of them. My Stealers are an interference unit anyway so are there to be shot. I'm not planning on getting them into combat.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Well I don't know if you've seen the Deathstorm boxed set but the Broodlord in there is beautiful so beautiful I bought 2 just for him. Now how to use all this crap in an army? Well this isn't my usual super efficient competitive list but hey at least I might get more of a game than I do with my AstraDar. But I still think this could be relatively effective whilst using nearly everything from the 2 boxed sets:

CAD1
Flyrant: Dakka, Electroshock 240

Zoanthrope: 50
Zoanthrope: 50
5 Zoanthropes: Neurothrope; Tyrannocyte: Venom Cannons 375

Genestealers: Broodlord 130
Warriors: Barbed Strangler 100

Carnifex: Dakka 150

CAD2
Flyrant: Dakka, Electroshock 240

Venomthrope: 45

Genestealers: Broodlord 130
Warriors: Barbed Strangler 100

Carnifex: Dakka 150

SPORE FIELD
Mucolid Spore 15
Mucolid Spore 15
Mucolid Spore 15
Spore Mines 15
Spore Mines 15
Spore Mines 15

So I'm using a Venomthrope without a Bastion . Though I have lots of infiltrating interference with the Spore Field and Stealers. The idea is they provide a distraction whilst I throw a lot of pinning tests at my opponent.

The list boasts 12 Warp Charge which is pretty healthy and 8 brain leech devourers which should provide solid AT and solid psychic offence. I still have 4 ObSec units and lots of Synapse so I'm more invested in troops than I normally would for Nids though I feel these units will work for me (and the 2 Broodlords are obviously non negotiable).

What do you think is this entirely worthless against decent lists or viable against non top tier but competitive lists (against top tier I'd rock out my AstraDar and teach them a lesson in warhammer).

I like it, seems to me like a good all round list with a good amount (but not too much) dirt in it.

You will definately get more games with this list which means its money well spent.

Only sugestion: Maybe drop 1 mucolid spore and 1 mine in favour of an Aegis Defence Line and plonk it near halfway? Then you can make the most of that lictor.

Other than that looks sweet.

The Formation requires three of each spore, and they're already min strength.

 Aurelian wrote:
The Formation requires three of each spore, and they're already min strength.

I see, fair enough.

Run as is then mate.

I don't know if you would bring this army to a tournament, but it seems that to conform it into a single CAD, it would be to merge a Zoanthrope into one other unit (or drop it in favor of the ADL) and lose the WC.

Why would I form into a single CAD? I only go to 7th Ed tournaments these days, I'm not interested in playing 6.5th Ed Warhammer 40,whawhawhamynetlistisnolongertopdogsoIFAQbackanEditionbecauseImascaredlittlegirl Bowl.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Why would I form into a single CAD? I only go to 7th Ed tournaments these days, I'm not interested in playing 6.5th Ed Warhammer 40,whawhawhamynetlistisnolongertopdogsoIFAQbackanEditionbecauseImascaredlittlegirl Bowl.

Somebody's tired. lol.

Although i do agree.

Any other suggestions?


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 FlingitNow wrote:
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Aside from considering the awesome detachment/unit in the deathstorm book for the stealers and broodlord unit, i can't think of anything mate.

although it would mean dropping a warrior unit to afford it i expect.

Well I've given it a few test games. First up was a Daemon Factory. A mid level army and despite some atrocious luck (failing 9 of 11 3+ rolls in the first 2 turns) I ran out comfortable winner tabling in turn 4 whilst up 17 VPs to 3. Next up was Tau with a strong list and good player. He had 3 Riptides and 9 Broadsides running Enclaves meaning he had a bunch of Crisis suits for troops.

The weakness in his list was a lack of ML support with a Mark'o being the only source. He went first but had an underwhelming first turn due killing a few stealers and getting First Blood from a dakkafex. I piled forward and we had a shoot out though catching a Riptide in assault with stealers early helped. Paroxysm also enabled me to shut down chunks of his firepower. The game ended turn 5 he had 2 Riptides and 3 Broadsides left. I had the full brood of Zoes a back up Zoey the Veno and a unit of warriors left (and some spores here and there). But I was 1 VP up. So a close win. If it goes on a turn it would again come down to VPsand could go either way if it had gone to 7 turns he'd have tabled me. However I don't think there are much worse matchups than 9 Broadsides and 3 Riptides for nids. So a strong showing for what is essentially a balanced Nid list.

Cool to see it worked out for you. Is there anything you wished you would've changed? Units that over/under performed?

Stealers and warriors have surprised me with how effective they are. Being such low priority targets in general in this list helps. So far the big unit of Zoes has done nothing. In 3 games it has turned up turn 3 once and not till turn 4 in the other 2. It has also spooned when arriving. First game is was irrelevant as I had won by the time they turned up but they expediated the game by doing 3 wounds to a bloodthirster. 2nd game they dropped near a big crisis unit and with 5 S5 Ap3 blasts did just 3 wounds (he wasn't in cover). Last game they cast Spirit leech on a 1 with 3 dice and promptly got denied then failed to get a single 4+ on a 7 dice attempt at Warp Lance on some paladins. However the game was already won so the rest of the list is winning games nearly 400 points down (over 500 in last game as was against 2k Grey Knights). But I haven't fought any Imperial Knights yet which is what they are in the list to deal with.

Ok. Glad to hear about the stealers and warriors. I just bought the box and was worried about whether those units would be able to do anything.
Honestly, im not a fan of the neurothrope or big squads of zoeys.i also have never faced a knight though, so i get why you had them. They are a lot of points for a fairly situational unit.

It's not just Imperial Knights but any super heavy vehicle or combat walker that I don't want to actually fight in CC. If you want a competitive list (this is designed to be competitive though not all out) you need to be able to deal with stuff like Knights and I just don't see another option in the Codex that does that.

We'll see the dice have gone horrendously against them so far. Passing 1 reserve roll in 3 games is pretty ludicrous (they were all 3+ rolls after all). Likewise doing just 3 wounds with 5 S5 large blasts is terrible (1 hit all the others scattered 10+") likewise failing a 7 dice Psychic test and in a turn rolling only 1 4+ out of 10 dice (in that game on psychic phase 2 I rolled only 1 4+ out of the entire 13 dice I had that phase). So more games are needed to fully test them and to see them against a wider variety of opponents.

The problem with the reserve rolling though is it is not guaranteed. It goes against the odds to pass so few reserve rolls, but I have experienced that happening too- not getting a unit in when I really want or need it that turn.

So I've got Anphelion and having a look at that has made me consider a few other options. The Dimachaeron obviously is a stand out but doesn't really fit this list and doesn't help with the Knight problem. If I keep the big Zoey brood then the Malanthrope is a no go too. However the Stonecrusher Carnifex looks very strong. Ap2 HoW makes it a great shock troop and S10 armourbane on them too means finishing off a weakened Knight should be right up their street. I do wish they were an upgrade to normal Fexes so I could mix one in a squad with a Dakkafex but hey. Swapping them in for the Zoanthropes gives me the Anti-Knight ability whilst upping ground presence. It also makes the Malanthropes a viable option (as I no longer need the psychic dice). So here's what I'm thinking:

CAD1
Flyrant: Dakka, Electroshock 240

Malanthrope 85
Zoanthrope 50

Warriors: Barbed Strangler 100
Genestealers: Broodlord 130

Carnifex: Dakka 150
Stonecrusher Carnifex: 150



CAD2
Flyrant: Dakka, Electroshock 240

Malanthrope 85

Warriors: Barbed Strangler 100
Genestealers: Broodlord 130

Carnifex: Dakka 150
Stonecrusher Carnifex: 150

SPORE FIELD
Mucolid Spore 15
Mucolid Spore 15
Mucolid Spore 15
Spore Mines 15
Spore Mines 15
Spore Mines 15

What do you think?

The two malanthropes I totally get. They will provide good coverage. But what is the role for the lone zoanthrope? He feels out of place

He's Warp dice and an extra roll on the Nid table whilst also being further support Synapse.

Ok. I like this list better because I do not really like having the big zoanthrope group. Stonecrushers look awesome, since I always run my carnifexen as melee anyway, I wish I had the rules to run them. Should have no problem taking out vehicles

Thinks for your post.

 FlingitNow wrote:
So I've got Anphelion and having a look at that has made me consider a few other options. The Dimachaeron obviously is a stand out but doesn't really fit this list and doesn't help with the Knight problem. If I keep the big Zoey brood then the Malanthrope is a no go too. However the Stonecrusher Carnifex looks very strong. Ap2 HoW makes it a great shock troop and S10 armourbane on them too means finishing off a weakened Knight should be right up their street. I do wish they were an upgrade to normal Fexes so I could mix one in a squad with a Dakkafex but hey. Swapping them in for the Zoanthropes gives me the Anti-Knight ability whilst upping ground presence. It also makes the Malanthropes a viable option (as I no longer need the psychic dice). So here's what I'm thinking:

CAD1
Flyrant: Dakka, Electroshock 240

Malanthrope 85
Zoanthrope 50

Warriors: Barbed Strangler 100
Genestealers: Broodlord 130

Carnifex: Dakka 150
Stonecrusher Carnifex: 150



CAD2
Flyrant: Dakka, Electroshock 240

Malanthrope 85

Warriors: Barbed Strangler 100
Genestealers: Broodlord 130

Carnifex: Dakka 150
Stonecrusher Carnifex: 150

SPORE FIELD
Mucolid Spore 15
Mucolid Spore 15
Mucolid Spore 15
Spore Mines 15
Spore Mines 15
Spore Mines 15

What do you think?

I understand the reasons. however having seen your original list in action, i see little need to change it up UNLESS you expect to be fighting multiple knights

I understand the reasons. however having seen your original list in action, i see little need to change it up UNLESS you expect to be fighting multiple knights

I dunno. I feel two stonecrushers gives a little more flexibility without losing the ability to accomplish the main task of hunting heavy armor

As an update 8 games in now and those Zoes have turned up turn 2 on game 7 & 8!!! Game 7 was against an alphastriking BA list using the WD formation to turn 1 assault with Dreads. I castled then shot a Stormraven out of the sky. He panicked and went into Hover. Zoes blew up a Stormraven, then killed the last 2 members of a tac squad in combat before warp blasting another tac squad away. Quite a good performance from them by turn 5 all he had left were 2 drop pods. Game 8 against a Screamerstar with 2 Knights. Zoes did 4 HPs to a Knight and the Tyrannocyte finished it off in the shooting phase! They then held up the other Knight in combat long enough for me to finish off the Screamerstar and rest of Daemons. So they've started to perform though I do feel the Stonecrushers add more overall. Though 8 for 8 is still pretty good.