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I've just been re-reading some of the HH series,and it struck me as odd that Magnus allies with Horus immediately after Horus orders everything he loves destroyed.From the timeline in the books it seems like he joins Horus weeks or months after the Burning,so it could be explained why he doesn't know what happened at that point.But the Thousand Sons seem to be on good terms with the Black Legion in the 41st Millenium,and I find it extremely hard to believe he hasn't learned of this treachery in the intervening 10,000 years

It is something that I have thought about as well. But I think it comes down to making the best of a bad situation. If he were to not join Horus it's likely that he would have the forces of the Imperium against him and the traitors, Magnus and the Thousand Sons aren't something that either side could ignore.

Magnus knows a lot after Prospero, so I guess he does know about the order from Horus. Although he hasn't mentioned anything about it yet. It's possible it's one of those things that are going to be forgotten about in the series. Although we do have some possible reflection by Russ in regards to the razing of Prospero in Scars.

10,000 years later and Horus is dead and Magnus has grown even more bitter. Bitter that he didn't have a chance to make a choice, as he was the puppet of Tzeentch, and bitter that the Heresy failed. I can imagine that he also isn't too chuffed that the likes of the Space Wolves are tolerated.

Actually, it was over four years in between the razing of Prospero and when the Thousand Sons officially sided with Horus.

In Thousand Sons Ahriman reads a Speesh Dog's runic priest's mind and discovers that it was Horus who spoke with Russ and convinced him that Magnus was a traitor, not sure if he later shared this information.

I have always looked at this as something more related to Magnus' relationship with Tzeentch than anything having to do with his allegiance to the Emperor.

Propsero was burned, Magnus took refuge in the warp, he realized he was on one of Tzeentch's paths and there was nothing he could do to stop it so he sided with Horus.

 Pilau Rice wrote:
It is something that I have thought about as well. But I think it comes down to making the best of a bad situation. If he were to not join Horus it's likely that he would have the forces of the Imperium against him and the traitors, Magnus and the Thousand Sons aren't something that either side could ignore.

Magnus knows a lot after Prospero, so I guess he does know about the order from Horus. Although he hasn't mentioned anything about it yet. It's possible it's one of those things that are going to be forgotten about in the series. Although we do have some possible reflection by Russ in regards to the razing of Prospero in Scars.

10,000 years later and Horus is dead and Magnus has grown even more bitter. Bitter that he didn't have a chance to make a choice, as he was the puppet of Tzeentch, and bitter that the Heresy failed. I can imagine that he also isn't too chuffed that the likes of the Space Wolves are tolerated.

Have you read Battle of the Fang? Daemon Magnus still respects Russ and appreciates the role he had to play in Heresy.

Yep, but you can still respect someone and hold bitterness towards them. But my point was more towards their mutation, and how it is tolerated. They aren't much different in certain aspects.

 techsoldaten wrote:
I have always looked at this as something more related to Magnus' relationship with Tzeentch than anything having to do with his allegiance to the Emperor.

Propsero was burned, Magnus took refuge in the warp, he realized he was on one of Tzeentch's paths and there was nothing he could do to stop it so he sided with Horus.

Pretty much this, but rather than siding with Horus, I believe Magnus became twisted and started following Chaos (and therefore, Horus.)

With the loyalists- both his legion and him were banned from using their powers which is their identity pretty much. Horus accepted them for what they were.

Also, even though the orders were altered I don't think he could stand the idea of working alongside Russ ever again. How could he trust a brother who would so willingly destroy his brothers in arms and everything they made?

That only left one option.

 Otto Weston wrote:


Also, even though the orders were altered I don't think he could stand the idea of working alongside Russ ever again. How could he trust a brother who would so willingly destroy his brothers in arms and everything they made?

If we are to believe the whole 'Executioner' roll of Russ then Magnus was doing this anyway before the burning of Prospero as Russ has allegedly already taken out at least one of the lost Primarchs.

It seems likely that at some point down the path of Tzeentch Magnus would have discovered who had ordered the attack (or maybe Ahriman would have told him), but at that point it would be too late for him; just like it was too late for Fulgrim after Fulgrim had turned his Legion into a bunch of giggling freaks and has murdered his closest brother and friend. It is quite possible that Magnus already knew about Horus' involvement in the burning of Prospero, but it was Chaos that Magnus had been corrupted by, not Horus.

I tend to agree with what others have written here. At this point, Magnus has (probably) fully embraced the Tzeentchian approach to things, where we're all pawns in his ultimate game of Just As Planned!

Thus at this point, it likely makes no difference to Magnus whether it was Horus, the Emperor or Russ who ordered the destruction of Prospero and the Thousand Sons as Tzeentch was ultimately behind it and that's all that matters.

Now, whether that means that Magnus might not one decide one day to backstab the Black Legion to get some measure of revenge on Horus' boys to go along with his grudge against the Space Wolves, well....

It's all Just as Planned!

Possible talon of horus spoiler

I seem to remember iskandar or w/e his name that they did find out some time later that horus was the one who deceived russ.