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So I'm supposed to apologize for being born a while male who plays video games. feth that.
And you know what? I'm not going to take responsibility for how some anonymous [MOD EDIT - Language! - Alpharius] on some random multiplayer lobby is acting like a [MOD EDIT - Language! - Alpharius]. I wonder what these whiney children do in real life when someone is mean to them, get a lobby of similarly treated people and demand that everyone be nice? Well, gak, I had no idea that's how it worked.
There are guys I call some of the worst gak I can think of that I would gladly DIE for, instantly, no hesitation. But apparently, that sort of camaraderie doesn't extend to women because it's 'mean'. How about this, grow a god damn spine and fire some rancid bs back at them, or ignore them, but really? You have to start some sort of movement because we hurt your feelings? Are you serious?
Also, Adam Sessler (sp?) holy crap, I guess after G4 you really DIDN'T get another job. Thank god for stupidly biased youtube video makers.
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...Ash. Context. The harassment that people are talking about is unwanted and there is nothing positive about it.
Like you get frustrated when people dismiss games, other people get frustrated when the dismiss their negative experiences. People are not complaining about it because they are whiners or thin skinned; they are complaining because they realize that they should not have to suffer more to enjoy the same things.
AdeptSister wrote: ...Ash. Context. The harassment that people are talking about is unwanted and there is nothing positive about it.
Like you get frustrated when people dismiss games, other people get frustrated when the dismiss their negative experiences. People are not complaining about it because they are whiners or thin skinned; they are complaining because they realize that they should not have to suffer more to enjoy the same things.
I get the message, but... It does not make up for the fact that they are saying I am privileged to be white. When all I have faced is adversary, Sexism, hatred, loathing, and racism. Because I am a different kind of white, I am not American.
Saying that all white people have privilege is like saying all Black People are good at sports.
People can claim all they want. Harassment is bad no matter where or who it is targeted. Unless you are harassing a terrorist and a serial killer. Because screw em.
But there are times when people confuse harassment for criticism.
Or play I am bigger victim than you. I have faced more hatred than you, I am a woman and I have been judged by people on twitter oh nooo.
Yeah. I know someone, who was actually killed by someone, they were threatened and they didn't take it seriously. It was a he, and his ex-girlfriend was his killer. I definately agree there are misgoynists out there, but I do not decry the many because of the few.
I do not say that all women are evil, because I knew someone who got murdered by a woman. I honestly think it is a human being doing stupid things, and acting irrationally.
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illuknisaa wrote: You could copy and paste (like I did with the transscript) or use archive.
Please don't start. Not everyone is in on boycotting gaming journalism sites.
Its fine if you wish to archive, but demanding others to do the same is unreasonable.
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A group of feminists make a video, ignorant people rant about how much they hate it without even watching it or trying to understand what it's talking about.
Would you kindly then explain what is the video trying to say because to me it doesn't make any sense.
Fore example:
1. I have never seen this ingame or in a forum. Even when I have met a woman online I have not seen any harassment directed at her.
It definitely exists and I've seen a lot of it.
Spoiler:
Like even just this afternoon pretty much. Even then it's a tame example.
It will more frequently happen in private usually (a lot of forums don't seem to have a report feature in private messages). It does happen in public (it's usually brutal and hateful instead, sort of like a witch hunt), but that's no where near as common in my experience. I could go on including chat logs where some have even tried to buy nude pictures, to inappropriate "fanfiction" to even an audio reading of the same. Obviously the last two (and a lot of it) aren't appropriate for Dakka or anywhere really
Sigh, stopped watching at 2 min. It's a "My privilege penis is longer than yours!" video that's...supposed to make you feel bad for being "privileged".
Zero constructivity, just another video looking for confirmation. Business as usual?
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illuknisaa wrote: You could copy and paste (like I did with the transscript) or use archive.
Please don't start. Not everyone is in on boycotting gaming journalism sites.
Its fine if you wish to archive, but demanding others to do the same is unreasonable.
They can ask if they have a reason, but they won't say what their reason is.
A group of feminists make a video, ignorant people rant about how much they hate it without even watching it or trying to understand what it's talking about.
Would you kindly then explain what is the video trying to say because to me it doesn't make any sense.
Fore example:
1. I have never seen this ingame or in a forum. Even when I have met a woman online I have not seen any harassment directed at her.
It definitely exists and I've seen a lot of it.
Spoiler:
Like even just this afternoon pretty much. Even then it's a tame example.
It will more frequently happen in private usually (a lot of forums don't seem to have a report feature in private messages). It does happen in public (it's usually brutal and hateful instead, sort of like a witch hunt), but that's no where near as common in my experience. I could go on including chat logs where some have even tried to buy nude pictures, to inappropriate "fanfiction" to even an audio reading of the same. Obviously the last two (and a lot of it) aren't appropriate for Dakka or anywhere really
The fact that there is a smiling child as his avatar makes that post hilarious.
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I've been sexually harassed here on Dakka, actually. I am not naming names, but suffice it to say, someone claimed to know what porn I looked at and demanded I be their friend and cyber with them if I wanted them to not post links about it "revealing your secret" (because not talking about things inappropriate for the forum in question is apparently secretive)..
They were subsequently permabanned and then IP banned when they tried to get arond that.
This was not the only time on Dakka someone stalked me. And certainly it happened on several forums before this. And on Steam. And on Twitter.
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A group of feminists make a video, ignorant people rant about how much they hate it without even watching it or trying to understand what it's talking about.
Would you kindly then explain what is the video trying to say because to me it doesn't make any sense.
Fore example:
1. I have never seen this ingame or in a forum. Even when I have met a woman online I have not seen any harassment directed at her.
It definitely exists and I've seen a lot of it.
Spoiler:
Like even just this afternoon pretty much. Even then it's a tame example.
It will more frequently happen in private usually (a lot of forums don't seem to have a report feature in private messages). It does happen in public (it's usually brutal and hateful instead, sort of like a witch hunt), but that's no where near as common in my experience. I could go on including chat logs where some have even tried to buy nude pictures, to inappropriate "fanfiction" to even an audio reading of the same. Obviously the last two (and a lot of it) aren't appropriate for Dakka or anywhere really
rarely is Fanfiction even considered Appropriate. Having been on tumblr for a year. I can already say that some women have some interesting ideas.
Creative, but god awful at writing.
Actually saw one of my characters get used in a fanfic. No I am scarred for life, and actually killed the character in my book because of it.
Though to be honest I have actually tested this and changed one of my accounts to be SexyLadyforRaptors and I tested it. Yes I did get hit on, but two people, but the other people, they all knew I was a guy. Do I think it is misogyny no It sounds like those two people were more lonely than actual misogynists.
The problem though is that people often associate just because you are getting hit on is because of a male dominated culture. I have been hit on by girls before on xbox live. Because of my deep baritone voice and ability to copy peoples voices. Is that misandry? No its player speak, players do that sometimes. Often times those who find stuff to be harassing.
I mean I remember this a month ago.
Just watch. YOu'll see my point. If people are triggered by virtual rape, and call it realistic and harassment.
Yeah I am done.
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If your point is "this isn't creepy and intimidating", no, I don't get that.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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A group of feminists make a video, ignorant people rant about how much they hate it without even watching it or trying to understand what it's talking about.
Would you kindly then explain what is the video trying to say because to me it doesn't make any sense.
Fore example:
1. I have never seen this ingame or in a forum. Even when I have met a woman online I have not seen any harassment directed at her.
It definitely exists and I've seen a lot of it.
Spoiler:
Like even just this afternoon pretty much. Even then it's a tame example.
It will more frequently happen in private usually (a lot of forums don't seem to have a report feature in private messages). It does happen in public (it's usually brutal and hateful instead, sort of like a witch hunt), but that's no where near as common in my experience. I could go on including chat logs where some have even tried to buy nude pictures, to inappropriate "fanfiction" to even an audio reading of the same. Obviously the last two (and a lot of it) aren't appropriate for Dakka or anywhere really
rarely is Fanfiction even considered Appropriate. Having been on tumblr for a year. I can already say that some women have some interesting ideas.
Creative, but god awful at writing.
I'm talking about a graphic erotic story written to "impress" someone, but end up as harassment (obviously).
Wait... Sarkeesian put out another flaming turd into the world? Why in the world is this even getting any attention.
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Every time I hear "in my opinion" or "just my opinion" makes me want to strangle a puppy. People use their opinions as a shield that other poeple can't critisize and that is bs.
If you can't defend or won't defend your opinion then that "opinion" is bs. Stop trying to tip-toe and defend what you believe in.
Asherian Command wrote: If you find that harassing to you and demeaning heres a solution, ignore it.
No. I'm not going to ignore harassment just to make you feel better about yourself.
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AdeptSister wrote: So why aren't you ignoring topics about feminism online? Why should others have to ignore it, but you don't?
I am trying to follow your logic, Ash.
Well. If you are being harassed don't acknowledge it. I have been harassed and bullied for my entire life, because I am different, because I spoke differently, and I was shy and rarely spoke to people in grade school. From my experience the best way to stop a bully apart from telling on them or jabbing them in the throat (which causes more harm than good). Is to ignore them, remove them from power, make them inadequate. Be intelligent.
People are trying to get a reaction from you. Thats where they get their power. They think they matter if they hurt someone. If they get a reaction, they feel powerful.
So when I see feminists or people who call themselves feminists and do not follow the feminist ideology at all. Say they are being harassed and do not follow the most common ideas I will be extremely doubting that they are legitmate feminists. I do not doubt Melissia is a Feminist. I actually know she is one, by the way she types and what she has said in the past. That means she should at least follow the same idea that I have been advised to do. Not responding to them and not making them gain any power. Only acknowledge the good people.
Peer pressure is a very real thing and it does wonders to people.
No. I'm not going to ignore harassment just to make you feel better about yourself.
If it is directed towards you, do not empower them by acknowledging their existence. Nothing makes someone feel more inadequate than to outright ignore their existence. That actually works all the time.
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Ignoring them is what empowers them, not confronting them. Ignoring them makes them emboldened to do it again.
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Giving attention to people who want attention will certainly show them. Nothing else has ever stopped people from doing what they want but doing what they want.
They don't want attention . They want to intimidate and silence women.
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Melissia wrote: Ignoring them is what empowers them, not confronting them. Ignoring them makes them emboldened to do it again.
I have been stalked for years. I have successfully ignored my stalker, and they have no power over me, because I ignore them. They are just merely a shadow now to me.
Saying that it doesn't work is illogical.
It does work, and now your trying to prove that it doesn't when you have no evidence to support otherwise. Ignoring them the problem does work. Doing nothing does work.
Melissia wrote: They don't want attention . They want to intimidate and silence women.
Thats the problem though. They do want attention.
People want attention they want meaning to their pathetic lives. Saying they are doing it to do harm is no. People are not one dimensional. They are multi dimensional. They want things for themselves, not to harm other people. These are egoists were talking about. Not Black Mailers working for the mafia.
They want attention, they don't do it for harming people. They want their lives to mean something.
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Logical proof needed for this illogical statement.
The only way to stop stalking is to penalize the stalker so they are disincentivized from their stalking behavior. Same with harassers. When doing the action is its own incentive, ignoring it only encourages more of the same.
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I just deleted a lot of spammy messages (popcorn, cats, etc). Please remember Rule Number Three is No Spam.
As to harassment on DakkaDakka:
- the staff encourages victims of harassment not to respond to the person or people harassing them
- the victim should report the incidents to one or more moderators
- the staff will deal with the behavior as necessary, including and up to permanent suspension
Melissia wrote: I've been sexually harassed here on Dakka, actually. I am not naming names, but suffice it to say, someone claimed to know what porn I looked at and demanded I be their friend and cyber with them if I wanted them to not post links about it "revealing your secret" (because not talking about things inappropriate for the forum in question is apparently secretive)..
They were subsequently permabanned and then IP banned when they tried to get arond that.
This was not the only time on Dakka someone stalked me. And certainly it happened on several forums before this. And on Steam. And on Twitter.
Sorry to hear.
Your actions were correct and commendable for the Dakka issue.
"Several forums", Steam and Twitter??
You are outspoken which makes for lively discussion but what is with this "nut-farm" attraction?
Is there anything in particular in your discussions these people seem to latch-onto?
Sorry, genuinely curious.
I would typically figure if people do not agree with certain viewpoints they would just ignore them rather than hunt them down.
I guess part of my built-in "privilege" is to be ignorant of how bad it can get, so awareness is good.
People of this nature I assume like to shift to PM's and are not as vocal in the open forums (I have seen lately anyway).
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Melissia wrote: Ignoring them is what empowers them, not confronting them. Ignoring them makes them emboldened to do it again.
I have been stalked for years. I have successfully ignored my stalker, and they have no power over me, because I ignore them. They are just merely a shadow now to me.
Saying that it doesn't work is illogical.
It does work, and now your trying to prove that it doesn't when you have no evidence to support otherwise. Ignoring them the problem does work. Doing nothing does work.
If your still being stalked.. then I don't think ignoring it has worked.
There is a difference between "feeding a troll" and allowing bad behavior to go unchallenged. If you don't challenge it, you make it clear that such behavior is appropriate. If you want it to change, you have to speak up.
I mean, isn't that what we are all doing by having a discussion?
Melissia wrote: They don't want attention . They want to intimidate and silence women.
You are wrong. And right. It all depends on the people we talk about.
If we're talking about people on the internet in general, especially online games, then all those people want is attention. The amount of people who actively want to oppress women out of sheer hate is far lower - and it's those who need to be taken care of. By reacting to the former in the same way as the latter, you do more harm than good.
Talizvar wrote: People of this nature I assume like to shift to PM's and are not as vocal in the open forums (I have seen lately anyway).
Frequently, stalking takes place in ways that the stalker thinks are private. Letters, PMs, phone calls, emails, etc. The stalker, after all, usually does not want their stalking called out and people to think of the stalker as the creepy person he or she is.
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