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Over in another thread people were discussing reasons that they stopped playing and one poster made the comment that all of our guesses were uneducated.

And I have to agree. We are all just guessing on why everybody else has stopped playing based on our own opinions.

So why not get a bit educated and get a sample of why people who have stopped playing say they have stopped.

I have left it open to multiple choice answers because it typically is not just one reason someone stops playing.

Prices, company's policy, latest edition/direction of the game, better games available.

I still have an army to play when I find some people in my area outside of the GW store.

You forgot an option: Do not like sloppy rules with no thought to balance.

For me it was a combination of the increased prices, the company's actions towards everybody (players and others) and the aforementioned not included rules issues.

Rather, I originally stopped playing because the game store near me shut down and there was nobody to play with for years, but the reasons above are the reason I haven't started playing again, so I think they still count.

When 7th dropped, I saw it as a quick moneygrab that would force me to pay for an expensive book that changed very little and what did change were changes I detested, such as psychic phase, LOW's, Unbound and Maelstrom. I realized that GW no longer cares about the game and are only interested in fleecing their shrinking customer base.
It was a combination of rules, company practices and pricing.

WayneTheGame wrote:
You forgot an option: Do not like sloppy rules with no thought to balance.

Fixed it.

 MWHistorian wrote:
When 7th dropped, I saw it as a quick moneygrab that would force me to pay for an expensive book that changed very little and what did change were changes I detested, such as psychic phase, LOW's, Unbound and Maelstrom. I realized that GW no longer cares about the game and are only interested in fleecing their shrinking customer base.
It was a combination of rules, company practices and pricing.

This +1. I am not totally out of the hobby and do spend time at the FLGS socially. But 7th edition really drove off a lot of people I know, and I haven't been able to bring myself to want to get organized around it again.

I have been playing 40K since RT days (skipped 4th because life happens). I always had hope that GW would fix the problems that plagued the game; balance issues and prices for example. When 7th dropped, I finally realized that not only GW doesn't have any intention to fix these problems, they made it worse. Unbound, Lords of war, psychic phase were the exact opposite of what I thought was fun. What kept me in the game so long was the fluff. I played Word Bearers. In order to have a slight chance of winning, I had to break from their fluff. Now 7th says screw the fluff and everyone can summon demons and be best buddies with their arch nemesis. Destroying the fluff of the game took away the last reason to play. I still have a 2000 PT traitor guard army that I am converting and painting but I won't play it until the game changes. For now, I'm playing Warmachin, Infinity and X Wing and having more fun than I ever did with 40K.

I'm still in 40k but my reasons for leaving Lord of the Rings back in 2008 might still apply.

- Fed up with the costs and apparent price gouging
- No one to play with
- New hobbies
- Game felt like it was going to be abandoned since the movies had all come out and GW could no longer ride their coattails

lustigjh wrote:
I'm still in 40k but my reasons for leaving Lord of the Rings back in 2008 might still apply.

- Fed up with the costs and apparent price gouging
- No one to play with
- New hobbies
- Game felt like it was going to be abandoned since the movies had all come out and GW could no longer ride their coattails

Have you seen the new Lego LOTR setups? Much less expensive and much more interesting, if you ask me.

 MWHistorian wrote:
I realized that GW no longer cares about the game and are only interested in fleecing their shrinking customer base.

This is what I ment by stating a personal view as the universal truth. And I don´t think this is true. I find it quite realistic that there are countless employees working at GW in different roles that care about the game, and like I mentioned in another thread their actions to affect gameplay can ( and most probably are ) affected by their superiors and other factors on some level.

 RunicFIN wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
I realized that GW no longer cares about the game and are only interested in fleecing their shrinking customer base.

This is what I ment by stating a personal view as the universal truth. And I don´t think this is true. I find it quite realistic that there are countless employees working at GW in different roles that care about the game, and like I mentioned in another thread their actions to affect gameplay can ( and most probably are ) affected by their superiors and other factors on some level.

It doesn't matter if individuals care about the game if the company as a whole doesn't and that said company is actively malicious towards its own fans, independent retailers and the tabletop wargame hobby in general.

From the looks of it, the last shop in my city will be closed in january. Then I won't be able to play w40k.

Hmmm I still play every now and again when someone feels like playing. However I haven't bought anything from GW for about a year now.

Personally the prices and subpar rules have driven down my participation, I also dislike the company believing my favorite part of the hobby is "buying".

Thanks for providing me a thread full of people to add to Ignore. It's easier this way.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Thanks for providing me a thread full of people to add to Ignore. It's easier this way.

You go girl. Seriously, why not be open to other people's perspectives on the game? I don't think there's any ragequitting in this thread, this is mostly people offering valid opinions on GW products.

Why? You only want to read people that agree with you in everything? What a boring life you must lead.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Thanks for providing me a thread full of people to add to Ignore. It's easier this way.

Honest question, sincerely asked, what do you get out of posting in the manner that you do?

The only time I ever see you post is this sort of slightly aggressive, confrontational nonsense that isn't even pertinent to the discussion at hand.

Genuinely, don't you think you'd get more out of Dakka by being a little more, well, friendly? Or, maybe, you could dedicate your time to something that doesn't provoke you the way that spending time on this site seems to?

 Musashi363 wrote:
Why? You only want to read people that agree with you in everything? What a boring life you must lead.

That's not necessary. No need to turn this into a flame war.

This question inspires me to ask another, although I don't think it would be a very helpful thing to ask in a dedicated thread.

If you have stopped playing 40k, why do you spend time on a message board devoted to 40k?

 jasper76 wrote:
This question inspires me to ask another, although I don't think it would be a very helpful thing to ask in a dedicated thread.

If you have stopped playing 40k, why do you spend time on a message board devoted to 40k?

Painting advice, discussions on the narrative, general interest in what you can do without spending the money on new armies.

You don't need to play to enjoy the game, and you need to do something with the piles of unpainted minis you have accumulated over the years.

 techsoldaten wrote:
this is mostly people offering valid opinions on GW products.

As a sidenote, there are around 4 different threads with this subject existing on the forums at almost any given time. I´m curious to as to why so many who have "left" GW/40K are so very active on the 40K forums though. Sincerely. Nothing hidden behind this question.

Edit: Someone beat me to it.

 jasper76 wrote:
This question inspires me to ask another, although I don't think it would be a very helpful thing to ask in a dedicated thread.

If you have stopped playing 40k, why do you spend time on a message board devoted to 40k?

Eh just because you've stopped playing the tabletop game itself doesn't mean you can't like the lore and setting. I'd also assume the hope that GW might change, plays a part. Hell if GW released a more balanced and complete version of Kill-Team, I honestly doubt we'll see 40k change directions now, I might go out of my way to try to get people to play the game instead of just playing if asked.

Alternatively maybe they've been posting here for a long time and want to keep talking with people they know through the boards.

Though thinking about it, this thread should probably be in Dakka Discussions.

Edit: Ugh, meant Dakka Discussions.

Has GW treated any one of you badly, though?

Or are the burps of Kirby the thing you are gonna go with until the end of time ( like the one about being grateful for miniatures and liking to buy them. )

Kirby is history anyway, and his words, despite "officially" doing so do not in actuality reflect Games Workshop and their views and agendas as a whole. Besides, many of the things Kirby has said have been misinterpreted or he has worded them poorly.

So can we just get over Kirby and his musings? Some of the generic statements made by GW also seem like they are just written a bit hastily. I don´t believe for one second that any employee of GW believes hobbyists are "grateful for buying miniatures." - it was obviously ment in a way that people are happy about good looking ( subjective, inb4 banter) miniatures and they are glad that they can provide such a thing. It was poorly worded, among some other statements, but I wonder how some really can´t see they didn´t intend them all that way.

As a non-native english speaker it´s as clear as day to me as I have to actively think about what the words mean. Perhaps a native english speaker just reads it and goes omg.

 jasper76 wrote:
This question inspires me to ask another, although I don't think it would be a very helpful thing to ask in a dedicated thread.

If you have stopped playing 40k, why do you spend time on a message board devoted to 40k?

Hahaha. I think there are former 40k players who have common DNA with angry Diablo 3 players that also have a need to go on Blizzard forums and post for months (years!) after they rage quit. They just feel burned and bitter, lol. There are a small number of people who claim to hold out for changes to the game after which they might return, but I think that these are pretty few, and in any case, Dakka is the wrong place to express that (a written letter to GW would be more effective, though probably pointless).

For me, once I leave a game, I don't really look back; I only have so many productive minutes in my life, so I'd rather spend my energy on something I like


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 SilverDevilfish wrote:
Eh just because you've stopped playing the tabletop game itself doesn't mean you can't like the lore and setting.

Yes, for sure. The number of hours I actually *play* the game is tiny compared to enjoying the lore and working with the models. But a group of people (always the same people ) come off as very angry and bitter about GW, like it's personal.

I mean, to my knowledge, GW has never run over anyone's puppy End of the day, it's just a game, right? You don't like it.. there are so many other ways to entertain yourself, why blow your time complaining about it?

I stopped playing because I had other hobbies. Then I came back and realized I don't like the rules, at all.

So now I am writing my own set of rules based on fusing basic 40K mechanics with elements from far better rule systems. The funny part is, playtesting it has given my old friends and I a reason to play 40K again.

In the meantime, we still play Space Hulk and Necromunda from time to time.

 RunicFIN wrote:
Has GW treated any one of you badly, though?

Or are the burps of Kirby you are gonna go with until the end of time ( like the one about being grateful for miniatures and liking to buy them. )

Kirby is history anyway, and his words, despite "officially" doing so do not in actuality reflect Games Workshop and their views and agendas as a whole. Besides, many of the things Kirby has said have been misinterpreted or he has worded them poorly.

So can we just get over Kirby and his musings?

While he's still the Chairman and one of the highest single stakeholders (and the highest individual stakeholder by a country mile,) and while the majority of the board are there because they were put there, at least in part, by him, he is, and will remain, an integral part of GW and hold major sway over the company and it's approach.

So, no.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
I stopped playing because I had other hobbies. Then I came back and realized I don't like the rules, at all.

So now I am writing my own set of rules based on fusing basic 40K mechanics with elements from far better rule systems. The funny part is, playtesting it has given my old friends and I a reason to play 40K again.

In the meantime, we still play Space Hulk and Necromunda from time to time.

Space Hulk is such a good game. Advanced HeroQuest and Bloodbowl are two other GW boardgames my friends and I still play from time to time. If they re-released BB, I'm sure sales would be nuts.

When I quit years ago I was just not that interested anymore. I was just bored with it. Being 16 and having a girlfriend also attributed very strongly, so I went with new hobby.

Though prices did contribute. It was just too expensive to pay for beer, sports equipment and warhammer for me when I was 16.

Combination of "rules suck" and "found a better game". Back in 6th I was already getting tired of the broken rules, poor balance, and GW's attitude that there's nothing wrong because it's a "beer and pretzels" game, so when I discovered X-Wing it was very easy for the new game to take over most of my gaming time. And the games of 7th I've played since mostly quitting 40k have done nothing to make me rethink that decision.

I didn't quit GW but I did pick up WMH. It was mostly the rules that did it for me. I love the setting, aesthetics of the models, quality of the models, the amount of options I have to build a list, and because of all that the price wouldn't bother me at all...if the rules were even halfway decent. PP stuff is just as expensive if not more expensive for lower quality models that don't look as good. However, the rules are infinitely better and the company actually seems like they give a crap about customer satisfaction instead of just how big the next dividend will be.