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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/10 16:58:40
Subject: Ahriman Deathstars?...
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
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Just looking for some ideas. 3X Obliterators and Pyschic Shriek comes to mind.
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"We are the Red Sorcerers of Prospero, damned in the eyes of our fellows, and this is to be how our story ends, in betrayal and bloodshed. No...you may find it nobler to suffer your fate, but I will take arms against it." -Ahzek Ahriman
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/10 17:19:33
Subject: Ahriman Deathstars?...
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Its not really much a death star.
Your goal is to dump out Shreks but it has a small range.
You would probably be better off chucking him into a rhino with some tough bodyguards to get close and shoot things.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/10 17:37:43
Subject: Re:Ahriman Deathstars?...
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
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5 Havocs with flamers/meltas/plasma guns in a rhino?...
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"We are the Red Sorcerers of Prospero, damned in the eyes of our fellows, and this is to be how our story ends, in betrayal and bloodshed. No...you may find it nobler to suffer your fate, but I will take arms against it." -Ahzek Ahriman
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/10 17:40:15
Subject: Ahriman Deathstars?...
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Sinewy Scourge
Commoragh (closer to the bottom)
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Maybe chosen instead? Havocs would be taking up a HS, and i would prefer to keep them in the back for long range support
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Wyzilla wrote:Saying the Eldar won the War in Heaven is like saying a child won a fight with a murderer simply because after breaking into his house, shooting his mother and father through the head, the thug took off in a car instead of finishing off the kid.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/10 17:42:43
Subject: Ahriman Deathstars?...
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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It might work better.
The problem is. its not reeeeeely a death star.
Shreks alone does not make a star.
Something massively killy but equally hard to remove in both shooting and CC.
I almost want to laugh and say T sons with arhi. hope for some invisibility and just walk up not giving a feth.
If possible get some spare sorcerors and roll up sanctuary/cursed earth??? to bump em up in invls.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/10 17:45:16
Subject: Re:Ahriman Deathstars?...
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
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Yeah, it really is that simple, thousand sons work great with him. Problem is, that unit always gets assaulted. Doesn't matter if my opponent has ONE close combat squad, they always go right for Ahriman's squad and then they're in CC until turn 5. Almost tempted to foot slog terminators...
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"We are the Red Sorcerers of Prospero, damned in the eyes of our fellows, and this is to be how our story ends, in betrayal and bloodshed. No...you may find it nobler to suffer your fate, but I will take arms against it." -Ahzek Ahriman
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/10 17:46:47
Subject: Re:Ahriman Deathstars?...
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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changerofways wrote:Yeah, it really is that simple, thousand sons work great with him. Problem is, that unit always gets assaulted. Doesn't matter if my opponent has ONE close combat squad, they always go right for Ahriman's squad and then they're in CC until turn 5. Almost tempted to foot slog terminators... Why not chuck in a CC bomb into then? the T sons should mostly survive but as long as you are winning combat it really doesn't matter that much. Chuck a decked out CC lord to clear out the chaff. Terminators are cool too. Though really this is a silly level of eggs in one massively expensive basket FYI. not really meant to be competitive.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/10 18:22:40
Subject: Re:Ahriman Deathstars?...
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
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You know what? Forget it. I was trying to get some style points by giving him some super creative bodyguard but honestly he doesn't need it.
Psychic powers can be cast on a different target than his squads shooting target. He can go with anyone and fire at anything he wants to.
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"We are the Red Sorcerers of Prospero, damned in the eyes of our fellows, and this is to be how our story ends, in betrayal and bloodshed. No...you may find it nobler to suffer your fate, but I will take arms against it." -Ahzek Ahriman
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/10 18:25:31
Subject: Ahriman Deathstars?...
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Sinewy Scourge
Commoragh (closer to the bottom)
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Then use chosen, they are a decent unit as far as stats and equipment go. You can have some range, and some CC in the unit if you want. They make a great Body guard, fluffy to use as well
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Wyzilla wrote:Saying the Eldar won the War in Heaven is like saying a child won a fight with a murderer simply because after breaking into his house, shooting his mother and father through the head, the thug took off in a car instead of finishing off the kid.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/11 06:22:32
Subject: Ahriman Deathstars?...
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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I'd not underestimate shrikes, really. They're deadly if you have enough WC to fuel them and a delivering mechanism.
What about a Sorc Fishing for GoI along with Ahriman? That's gona almost ensure you getting DS-ing here and there. And has nice chances of getting invisibility or other useful stuff too. With Ahriman's infiltrate you can perform a deadly combo of PE plasma Chosen in a rhino(if you take Crimson Slaughter - and there's no reason not to in this list), something else like a second backup squad of, say, 1000 sons in a rhino, as you allready own them, right?.. And DS-ing Ahriman-star with Sorc and, say, a few Oblits.
I'd probably take termi or even better, jumppack sorc. There might be situations when you don't get GoI. So, you could still get a sorc + oblits deepstriking and Ahriman helping out chosen or 1000 sons. Why jumppack? Jumppack still allows deepstriking and a sorc can sling-shot your deathstar a bit further if you want to charge someone. Or he can plain separate and go for the point behind blos all by himself when needed.
Now you need to generate enough warp charges to fuel your death-machine of GoI and Shrikes. And that's up to you. Ahriman + Sorc will generate up to 7 WC by themselves. + a few for 1000 sons. Why not take a detachment of daemons with horrors and tzeench herald? You're gona lack bodies. Severely. So, a bit of backup summoning later on will be super-useful. And Herald + horrors will add a lot of WC for reasonable points.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/11 06:31:38
Subject: Ahriman Deathstars?...
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
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koooaei wrote:
I'd not underestimate shrikes, really. They're deadly if you have enough WC to fuel them and a delivering mechanism.
What about a Sorc Fishing for GoI along with Ahriman? That's gona almost ensure you getting DS-ing here and there. And has nice chances of getting invisibility or other useful stuff too. With Ahriman's infiltrate you can perform a deadly combo of PE plasma Chosen in a rhino(if you take Crimson Slaughter - and there's no reason not to in this list), something else like a second backup squad of, say, 1000 sons in a rhino, as you allready own them, right?.. And DS-ing Ahriman-star with Sorc and, say, a few Oblits.
I'd probably take termi or even better, jumppack sorc. There might be situations when you don't get GoI. So, you could still get a sorc + oblits deepstriking and Ahriman helping out chosen or 1000 sons. Why jumppack? Jumppack still allows deepstriking and a sorc can sling-shot your deathstar a bit further if you want to charge someone. Or he can plain separate and go for the point behind blos all by himself when needed.
Now you need to generate enough warp charges to fuel your death-machine of GoI and Shrikes. And that's up to you. Ahriman + Sorc will generate up to 7 WC by themselves. + a few for 1000 sons. Why not take a detachment of daemons with horrors and tzeench herald? You're gona lack bodies. Severely. So, a bit of backup summoning later on will be super-useful. And Herald + horrors will add a lot of WC for reasonable points.
Sounds fun! I'll give it a try.
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"We are the Red Sorcerers of Prospero, damned in the eyes of our fellows, and this is to be how our story ends, in betrayal and bloodshed. No...you may find it nobler to suffer your fate, but I will take arms against it." -Ahzek Ahriman
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/11 06:33:02
Subject: Ahriman Deathstars?...
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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I was trying to hint at the fact that an all attack unit hardly makes em a star. They need a suitable defense to make em nearly unstoppable. If he was to do some kinda psystar i think the crimson book has that reroll failed tests right? probably worth it to add a bunch of good pyskers together on a tough cookie unit with multiple wounds. even perhaps a few spawn or the likes. also a flying bell could help too. (belecor for all the telepethy you can eat) obviously you will have problems with mr cluxus but thats to be expected.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/11 06:34:20
Subject: Re:Ahriman Deathstars?...
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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Post results please  I bet it's gona be hilarious. No matter what happens. Automatically Appended Next Post: Desubot wrote:
obviously you will have problems with mr cluxus but thats to be expected.
Yep, but at least he can't reliably prevent your GoI and infiltrate alpha-strike.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/11 06:37:30
Subject: Ahriman Deathstars?...
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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 well every death star has that damn exaust vent for some reason
On the bright side, having all those sorcorers together you could do that cool apoc formation if you ever play (where they all turn into vortexes IIRC)
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/11 06:40:53
Subject: Ahriman Deathstars?...
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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Desubot wrote: well every death star has that damn exaust vent for some reason
On the bright side, having all those sorcorers together you could do that cool apoc formation if you ever play (where they all turn into vortexes IIRC)
I want all my wierdboyz turning into vortexes NOWZ! I'd even go unbound and field something like 50 wierdboyz and a bunch of grots observing this all and rapidly going insane.
Sounds reasonable for possible probable results of Zogworth's madboy WAAAGH! Automatically Appended Next Post: btw. What to do against s8+ ap2 blasts other than hoping for invisibility?
Will interceptor work vs GoI? It's not in the movement phase, right?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/11 07:00:36
Subject: Ahriman Deathstars?...
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Yeah not movement so no worries of interceptor.
Another option for ST8 would be to tank with a biomancer.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/11 07:34:09
Subject: Ahriman Deathstars?...
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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Desubot wrote:
Another option for ST8 would be to tank with a biomancer.
Oh yep, i like this approach. To protect the psychers add even more psychers! Automatically Appended Next Post: Well, i'd REALLY want to hear the results of how this list performs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/11 10:49:05
Subject: Ahriman Deathstars?...
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Dakka Veteran
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I ran a 9 man unit of thousand sons and had ahriman and a couple other high levels sorcs all in the unit. I ended up playing against grey knights though so I had a hard time getting a lot of stuff off. There were some fun psychic phases like knocking out a dreadknight to consecutive psychic shrieks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/11 11:21:24
Subject: Re:Ahriman Deathstars?...
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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Court of Ahriman! We absolutely need this formation.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/11 11:48:09
Subject: Ahriman Deathstars?...
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Here's a thought.
- Ahriman
- Be'Lakor
- Sorcerer, Lvl 3, rolls on Biomancy
- Thousand Sons x 9, IoV
That's 11 warp charges while this squad is on the board.
Be'Lakor casts invisibility. The Sorcerer casts warp speed, giving the whole squad d3 extra attacks and initiative along with Fleet of foot. Ahriman does his thing.
The squad can move, shoot and assault all in the same turn. Hard to kill, awesome ranged damage that does not stop in assault, up to 60 attacks on the charge.
It's expensive, and you might need 2 CADs. But this is a pretty killy unit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/11 11:50:32
Subject: Re:Ahriman Deathstars?...
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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But doesn't warp speed affect only the psycher?
Also, how'd you name it better? Slow and Fleet or Fleet and Purposeful?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/11 16:51:25
Subject: Ahriman Deathstars?...
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Fateweaver loves psychic scream, roll 2 high numbers and a 1 on the wounds? Just reroll the 1.
Also with fate able to summon now you can use the 4 warp charges ahriman generates turn 1 (when he is probably out of range).
Also remember that ahriman can cast shriek while still inside a rhino and if he has havok mates with flamers then they can wall of deah (x2) when the rhino gets charged.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/11 16:55:14
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Woh there wait is fateyrerollmegee similar to necron chronometrons?
because if you are allowed to reroll 1 d6 only and your try to reroll 1 of 3d6, you are by the book forced to reroll all 3d6. which isnt rerolling 1d6
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/11 18:25:57
Subject: Ahriman Deathstars?...
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Desubot wrote:Woh there wait is fateyrerollmegee similar to necron chronometrons?
because if you are allowed to reroll 1 d6 only and your try to reroll 1 of 3d6, you are by the book forced to reroll all 3d6. which isnt rerolling 1d6
Except that fateweaver specifically says you only reroll one of the batch and that the rest remain the same. (if I'm remembering correctly).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/11 18:32:20
Subject: Ahriman Deathstars?...
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Ok cool. its an exception to the normal BRB rules.
Yeah that sounds good  get a full on Tzneech going and get a bunch of pink horrors for more POWER!
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/11 18:53:07
Subject: Re:Ahriman Deathstars?...
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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Is it possible to get access to something lowering enemy's ld? Other than Terrify?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/11 18:59:30
Subject: Ahriman Deathstars?...
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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I think Blood angels got a bunch now.
Also eldar phantasm grenades???
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/12 04:07:36
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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And what about daemons? As daemon allies are preferable here.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/12 04:27:19
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Monstrously Massive Big Mutant
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How about 8 Terminators of Tzeentch with Combi-Plasma/Melta for giggles? I mean, Ahriman himself is a beast of a Caster, throw in a Sorcerer and hope for GoI then 8 crazy Tzeechian Terminators with Combi weapons. I just made a rando 1k list and with bare minimum 2 squads of bare Chaos Cultists, its doable lol Course, if things go your way you might not have friends for long =/
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/12 05:58:55
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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BTW, what could be the other useful witchfires for Ahriman as Psy shreik is not that outstanding vs ld10 which is quite common now.
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