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I'm going to get the boneripper and thanqoul miniature before I get the vermin lord. I prefer the look so much better and for 650 points its a better option but I'll try them both and buy everything mmmwahaha


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Also I can't really read the rules all that well...I wish that someone with a decent smartphone camera would take a picture....looks like the guy took the picture using an old blackberry or something haha

I am also going for skaven were steampunk longer. I'm pretty sure it was a skryre thing way before warmachine was around. Some of those skryre machines are super old. I find it funny seeing the old doomwheels. The skaven model line needs a big makeover but to be fair so do wood elves and bretonnia.

I'm much more interested in hearing about these new armored rat ogres. A lot of people prefer to ban big time named characters from games anyway.

I'm happy they got rid of thanquol with a separate profile though. Lord knows cannon fire would just peg him off boneripper every time.

I think if i had a choice between types of attacks i might go for warpfire projectors on boneripper and throw some template on top of slaves and whatever gets into combat with them. That said this is still a game about avoidance magical elf fast cavalry and right now what seems best is either the Eshin Vermin Lord (deceiver) or the possible new armored rat ogres with ratling guns.

I'm very interested in seeing or hearing about those new armoured rat ogres myself too! I probably wouldn't buy them unless they look dramatically different than the island of blood ones (okay that's not true I'd probably buy them lol) I just have 8 rat ogres now that I don't use so I'd like to put them to use.

The thing that ruins the new vermin lord s for me is their back. Why is it covered is nasty hair?! It looks like the sculptor just got lazy and said "ah let's just slap some hair on it and be done with it" that's one thing preventing me from preordering one. I'll see what they look like in my hands at the flgs before I decide but thanqoul and boneripper will be preordered with a copy of the book and anything else that comes out hopefully

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That massive thing gets to be T5?

Oh GW...

Let me introduce you to the Carnosaur.

Which is also T5.

Despite the fact it is physically bigger than most Dragons.

The vermin lord just has a thicker mane of fur on his back. Besides we all know for humans back hair is gross and skaven are about that (nurgle too but whatever).

For me it's sad because i have a 50 USD gift card for GW and little else in the way of my own money to spend due to christmas wrecking my wallet. Also checks coming in at the end of the year before christmas. So my first week back was not only shorter but also included new years and no check. I'm practically living on table scraps at this point and little else.

So far i think my choice of vermin lord (eshin) has stayed the same but i'll wait to see all the rules just in case. I also might get the thanquol on boneripper model esp. since they're not separate and therefore thanquol won't die instantly which is super helpful (perhaps all cannonballs and BS shooting should hit all monsters as one unit from now on!). Hopefully that's a good way to handle this situation. Most likely i'll just get the new armored rat ogres.

So yeah i think i'll go for the armored rat ogres. Having interesting stuff at all is good though. I mean skaven don't have many hitty units. We're basically getting monstrous infantry and a monster (boneripper) that can shoot. Monsters that can shoot! That's a semi-big deal as i don't think any have shooting attacks yet (just magic spells unless pack mules/siege beasts with cannons count) and these weapons are pretty nasty.

I just hope weapons teams in the future either get a points decrease, some sort of ability to get a look out sir! from their parent unit or possibly can be bought to a maximum of 3 per parent unit like fanatics or something.

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 triplegrim wrote:
Look Bonerippers mechanical leg. I'm telling you, they are taking WHFB in a steampunk direction, to capitalize om Warmahordes success.

Skaven have been steampunk longer than Warmahordes has existed.

Perhaps Skaven. But the ratmen is only one army. High elves, chaos, lizardmen, dark elves, wood elves, bretonnia, beastmen of chaos, orcs and goblins, ogre kingdoms, Tomb Kings, Vampire Counts and Daemons of Chaos is not and have never been steampunkish. I am just saying that I think the 9th edition will see us a more Beyond Thunderdome, gritty, cogwheel look.

Weird statement to make, since the EOT release so far has shown nothing that suggest WHFB adopting a more steampunk theme than it already has.

 triplegrim wrote:

decker_cky wrote:

 triplegrim wrote:
Look Bonerippers mechanical leg. I'm telling you, they are taking WHFB in a steampunk direction, to capitalize om Warmahordes success.

Skaven have been steampunk longer than Warmahordes has existed.

Perhaps Skaven. But the ratmen is only one army. High elves, chaos, lizardmen, dark elves, wood elves, bretonnia, beastmen of chaos, orcs and goblins, ogre kingdoms, Tomb Kings, Vampire Counts and Daemons of Chaos is not and have never been steampunkish. I am just saying that I think the 9th edition will see us a more Beyond Thunderdome, gritty, cogwheel look.

Yeah but none of those are steampunk at all, the only steampunk elements are Skaven, and parts or Empire and Dwarfs, and they always have been. I don't really get your point.

 triplegrim wrote:
Look Bonerippers mechanical leg. I'm telling you, they are taking WHFB in a steampunk direction, to capitalize om Warmahordes success.

That would be true were Warmahordes a Steampunk setting....

 Grimtuff wrote:

 triplegrim wrote:
Look Bonerippers mechanical leg. I'm telling you, they are taking WHFB in a steampunk direction, to capitalize om Warmahordes success.

That would be true were Warmahordes a Steampunk setting....

Or had the Steampunk elements in Warhammer not been there long before WMH came about...

 Grimtuff wrote:

 triplegrim wrote:
Look Bonerippers mechanical leg. I'm telling you, they are taking WHFB in a steampunk direction, to capitalize om Warmahordes success.

That would be true were Warmahordes a Steampunk setting....

Wikipedia is nver wrong...

 ImAGeek wrote:



Yeah but none of those are steampunk at all, the only steampunk elements are Skaven, and parts or Empire and Dwarfs, and they always have been. I don't really get your point.

It is quite clear that you do not get my point. It is well known that WHFB sells quite poorly comared to 40k. which is why they are trying to do something new with the game. I think one of the directions they will take the game in, is to make it less high fantasy and Tolkienesque, and more steampunkish, in the sense that Warhmachine is steampunkish.

 triplegrim wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:



Yeah but none of those are steampunk at all, the only steampunk elements are Skaven, and parts or Empire and Dwarfs, and they always have been. I don't really get your point.

It is quite clear that you do not get my point. It is well known that WHFB sells quite poorly comared to 40k. which is why they are trying to do something new with the game. I think one of the directions they will take the game in, is to make it less high fantasy and Tolkienesque, and more steampunkish, in the sense that Warhmachine is steampunkish.

I get your point. I just don't know how you've reached it seeing as there's literally zero evidence, yet you were talking as if it was already happening.

no everybody get your point. What we don't get is the reason that makes you claim such a thing, since nothing so far in the EOT imply a move toward a steam punk setting

Chaos worshiping vikings are steam punk confirmed.

 triplegrim wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:



Yeah but none of those are steampunk at all, the only steampunk elements are Skaven, and parts or Empire and Dwarfs, and they always have been. I don't really get your point.

It is quite clear that you do not get my point. It is well known that WHFB sells quite poorly comared to 40k. which is why they are trying to do something new with the game. I think one of the directions they will take the game in, is to make it less high fantasy and Tolkienesque, and more steampunkish, in the sense that Warhmachine is steampunkish.

Nagash end times, 0 Steampunkiness, Glotkin end times, 0 steampunkiness, Malekith end times, 0 steampunkiness. Skaven End times goes, a faction that is NOTORIOUSLY STEAMPUNK (Seriously, you never seen the Doomwheel, Ratling guns, Warpfire throwers, Warplightning cannon, Doom-flayer or Ikit Claw, basically ANYTHING from clan Skryre?), and apparently the WHOLE of fantasy is going Steampunk? That's a fair bit of an exaggerated deduction sir.

I heard WFB was going Cyberpunk?

I was getting all excited to buy the White Dwarf today and read all about Thanquol and then I realised its next week.

I really gotta stop thinking about getting new models. I have a huge backlog as it is.

I'm more interested in the wording on how he chooses spells. To whit: Thanquol is a level four wizard, and may choose spells from Plague and Ruin in any order (paraphrased). So I think that is quite strange; in these post-Khaine End Times magic days, surely it would have made more sense for GW to list this as something like, "Thanquol is a level four wizard, and knows Plague and Ruin spells". It seems like GW is trying to keep the old magic style as an option going forward, at least for the moment, since they are sticking with the 'normal' verbage for describing Wizards with multiple lores.

GenRifDrake wrote:


and apparently the WHOLE of fantasy is going Steampunk? That's a fair bit of an exaggerated deduction sir.

I said I THINK they will take it in a more steampunk direction in 9th. That robotic leg of Boneripper is certainly something new. It is almost 40k-ish.

That they have eliminated 2 out of 3 elven factions and turned them into 1, scrapped kislev and probably bretonnia as well has reduced the fantasy elements for sure.

End Times is all about getting rid of stuff, not introducing it. I franklyd doubt characters such as Glottkin will be in the chaos book in 9th.


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 ImAGeek wrote:


I get your point. I just don't know how you've reached it seeing as there's literally zero evidence, yet you were talking as if it was already happening.

Now you're just exaggerating, I said I think they'll take it more in that direction in 9th edition. Quoting the robotic leg in this model. Anything could happen, but Skaven, a rather obscure faction gets a whole End of Time book of its own, closer to 9th edition with them kicking ass, judging from EOT 1 fluff, while the more traditional fantasy elements like the 3 elven factions have all been scrapped or downsized to a single army if their move to the bretonnian hinterland is to be kept. Its a speculation, but I was just saying what I think.

 bubber wrote:
I'm getting a bit fed up with these over-sized models.
All of them could have been done at 50% the size & still look great, be able to transport them without having to resort to buying an ice hockey kit bag & be more affordable (IMO).

Boneripper is way too big. He's probably S5 T5 W4 as well....

I was being a bit sarcastic with the stats but I'm really surprised how close I was!!!

 streetsamurai wrote:
no everybody get your point. What we don't get is the reason that makes you claim such a thing, since nothing so far in the EOT imply a move toward a steam punk setting

As stated, GW have removed or combined the 3 elven (high fantasy) factions, as well as the 2 undead armies being combined into one faction, which will be kept that way in 9th edition as I understand. Bretonnia, the most traditionally fantasy army seems to be on its way into a "kingdoms of men" book as well. Meanwhile Skaven gets their own EOT book all alone, with the Empire (which has lots of gunpowder, steamtanks, steam-horses, and what not), and the dwarves, which also is one of the most steampunkish factions still in the pipes as far ast EOT and 9th regards.

I dont think its completely unfounded to take a guess that WHFB is sliding somewhat towards the steampunk genre, and away from the more high fantasy elements of its selection.

I wonder if thanquol and bone ripper will be able to join a unit of these new armoured rat ogres? Also I think the very blurry picture of them looked like they have weapons attached to their arms. Maybe warp fire throwers. Soooo much green flame.

 triplegrim wrote:

GenRifDrake wrote:


and apparently the WHOLE of fantasy is going Steampunk? That's a fair bit of an exaggerated deduction sir.

I said I THINK they will take it in a more steampunk direction in 9th. That robotic leg of Boneripper is certainly something new. It is almost 40k-ish.

That they have eliminated 2 out of 3 elven factions and turned them into 1, scrapped kislev and probably bretonnia as well has reduced the fantasy elements for sure.

End Times is all about getting rid of stuff, not introducing it. I franklyd doubt characters such as Glottkin will be in the chaos book in 9th.


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 ImAGeek wrote:


I get your point. I just don't know how you've reached it seeing as there's literally zero evidence, yet you were talking as if it was already happening.

Now you're just exaggerating, I said I think they'll take it more in that direction in 9th edition. Quoting the robotic leg in this model. Anything could happen, but Skaven, a rather obscure faction gets a whole End of Time book of its own, closer to 9th edition with them kicking ass, judging from EOT 1 fluff, while the more traditional fantasy elements like the 3 elven factions have all been scrapped or downsized to a single army if their move to the bretonnian hinterland is to be kept. Its a speculation, but I was just saying what I think.

when did you start playing Warhammer?
Skaven have always had bionics, at least when they first started they had Ikit Claw and scattered pieces of bionics. Even Mordheim had a clan Skrye rat ogre that was little more than a giant rat skeleton with bionics all over it.
Becoming more like warmahordes would give me even less reason to play fantasy. If they were wanting to change things then they should just make a new genre/third system for it instead of destroying their existing IP.

While its a business plan to remove your opponents competitive advantage by becoming more like them, there's also the competitive advantage of being unique, and warhammer fantasy is more unique than it is like warmahordes (the steampunk version of warhammer).

The robotic leg on Boneripper isn't new. The Hell Pit Abomination, for example, has a robot arm. Ikit Claw has what is basically power armour. Skaven have always had a very steampunk feel to them.

I don't think they're moving away from high fantasy at all, and I don't see how you could even draw that conclusion. Even the other ET releases, undead got giant monsters, chaos got giant monsters, it's all very high fantasy. Condensing the elves into one list isn't removing any fantasy stuff, all the models are still in there, and we don't even know if the combined lists will still be around in 9th. Empire and Dwarfs aren't looking to get standalone ET books either so you could equally conclude they're going less steampunk.

Warhammer is not moving towards a steam punk setting, they are already at a steam punk setting. Take a look through the Empire, skaven and to an extent the Dwarf model range.

They aren't a steampunk setting, it's a high fantasy setting with the odd steampunk element, but there's no evidence they're moving towards steampunk either.

 Charles Rampant wrote:
I'm more interested in the wording on how he chooses spells. To whit: Thanquol is a level four wizard, and may choose spells from Plague and Ruin in any order (paraphrased). So I think that is quite strange; in these post-Khaine End Times magic days, surely it would have made more sense for GW to list this as something like, "Thanquol is a level four wizard, and knows Plague and Ruin spells". It seems like GW is trying to keep the old magic style as an option going forward, at least for the moment, since they are sticking with the 'normal' verbage for describing Wizards with multiple lores.

Aren't the Khaine Magic Rules only in use if you are using or facing one of the Elf armies in the book?

Gaz Taylor wrote:

 Charles Rampant wrote:
I'm more interested in the wording on how he chooses spells. To whit: Thanquol is a level four wizard, and may choose spells from Plague and Ruin in any order (paraphrased). So I think that is quite strange; in these post-Khaine End Times magic days, surely it would have made more sense for GW to list this as something like, "Thanquol is a level four wizard, and knows Plague and Ruin spells". It seems like GW is trying to keep the old magic style as an option going forward, at least for the moment, since they are sticking with the 'normal' verbage for describing Wizards with multiple lores.

Aren't the Khaine Magic Rules only in use if you are using or facing one of the Elf armies in the book?

I think (could be wrong) it's if you're playing an End Times game.

Gaz Taylor wrote:

 Charles Rampant wrote:
I'm more interested in the wording on how he chooses spells. To whit: Thanquol is a level four wizard, and may choose spells from Plague and Ruin in any order (paraphrased). So I think that is quite strange; in these post-Khaine End Times magic days, surely it would have made more sense for GW to list this as something like, "Thanquol is a level four wizard, and knows Plague and Ruin spells". It seems like GW is trying to keep the old magic style as an option going forward, at least for the moment, since they are sticking with the 'normal' verbage for describing Wizards with multiple lores.

Aren't the Khaine Magic Rules only in use if you are using or facing one of the Elf armies in the book?

Actually it's pretty clearly spelled out in the Rules section of Khaine (which I don't have on me). I am pretty darn sure one of them is: "Use these rules if: Either player wants to use them."

They're kind of a fact of Warhammer now.