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 docdoom77 wrote:
Actually it's pretty clearly spelled out in the Rules section of Khaine (which I don't have on me). I am pretty darn sure one of them is: "Use these rules if: Either player wants to use them."

They're kind of a fact of Warhammer now.

So I imagine that GW wrote Thanquol's rules in case neither player wants to use the Khaine Magic (although in reality it's probably a cut and paste type job ). It's easily fixed as if you are using the Khaine rules, then he chooses spells as per them

I like that the point costs let you take Thanquol, a new Verminlord, and a BSB all in at 2500.

So apparently the hardback editions are ONLY going to be sold on the web store and NOT TO FLGS....only the softbacks will be sent to them. That's bullcrap.
My flgs got about 3-4 copies of the hardbacks each release. Now the skaven one comes out and I'll probably have to settle for the softcover?! That's trash I already have a crappy softcover army book I want a hardcover for my skaven.

 chiefbigredman wrote:
So apparently the hardback editions are ONLY going to be sold on the web store and NOT TO FLGS....only the softbacks will be sent to them. That's bullcrap.
My flgs got about 3-4 copies of the hardbacks each release. Now the skaven one comes out and I'll probably have to settle for the softcover?! That's trash I already have a crappy softcover army book I want a hardcover for my skaven.

It's bullcrap yeah, I agree. You'll either have to put up with the soft back, or just try and get the Hardback off GW in the three minute window you'll have.

I was going to try get the hardback but seeing as I have none of the others in HB I think I'll let someone else have the HB, and get the soft back. I know my one copy won't make any difference really but I don't need the hardback really.

I'm a bit of a book collector...I really want the HC myself.

 chiefbigredman wrote:
So apparently the hardback editions are ONLY going to be sold on the web store and NOT TO FLGS....only the softbacks will be sent to them. That's bullcrap.
My flgs got about 3-4 copies of the hardbacks each release. Now the skaven one comes out and I'll probably have to settle for the softcover?! That's trash I already have a crappy softcover army book I want a hardcover for my skaven.

Just chiming..nothing against you or anything but

lol. i like how when hard covers came out people were up in arms about how expensive it was and how much better soft covers was because reasons.

 Desubot wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
So apparently the hardback editions are ONLY going to be sold on the web store and NOT TO FLGS....only the softbacks will be sent to them. That's bullcrap.
My flgs got about 3-4 copies of the hardbacks each release. Now the skaven one comes out and I'll probably have to settle for the softcover?! That's trash I already have a crappy softcover army book I want a hardcover for my skaven.

Just chiming..nothing against you or anything but

lol. i like how when hard covers came out people were up in arms about how expensive it was and how much better soft covers was because reasons.

You mean the HC ET books? I never saw anyone say that. Maybe when the first HB army book came out like 3/4 years ago.

Any word on how much a Boneripper is going to set us back financially?

 Desubot wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
So apparently the hardback editions are ONLY going to be sold on the web store and NOT TO FLGS....only the softbacks will be sent to them. That's bullcrap.
My flgs got about 3-4 copies of the hardbacks each release. Now the skaven one comes out and I'll probably have to settle for the softcover?! That's trash I already have a crappy softcover army book I want a hardcover for my skaven.

Just chiming..nothing against you or anything but

lol. i like how when hard covers came out people were up in arms about how expensive it was and how much better soft covers was because reasons.

I personally had the exact opposite reaction, I love collecting hardcover graphic novels so I was overjoyed to see that army books would be in HC too. I do wish they'd do both though, I know some people like the softcovers. I still remember my initial reaction when I started, 'I have to buy this puny book for $17 in addition to the big rule book I just paid $30 for? I can get a full color graphic novel for less!'. Seems really cute now compared to current prices

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Any word on how much a Boneripper is going to set us back financially?

£47 I believe.

 Desubot wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
So apparently the hardback editions are ONLY going to be sold on the web store and NOT TO FLGS....only the softbacks will be sent to them. That's bullcrap.
My flgs got about 3-4 copies of the hardbacks each release. Now the skaven one comes out and I'll probably have to settle for the softcover?! That's trash I already have a crappy softcover army book I want a hardcover for my skaven.

Just chiming..nothing against you or anything but

lol. i like how when hard covers came out people were up in arms about how expensive it was and how much better soft covers was because reasons.

Well I only own a soft cover of a space marine codex and thats when I first got into gw stuff. Then I got tau and eldar in hard cover and I have empire and vampire counts army books in hard cover and my poor skaven army book is looking a little tattered now. I really like the hardcovers over the softcovers. They feel better, look better and last longer.

 Desubot wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
So apparently the hardback editions are ONLY going to be sold on the web store and NOT TO FLGS....only the softbacks will be sent to them. That's bullcrap.
My flgs got about 3-4 copies of the hardbacks each release. Now the skaven one comes out and I'll probably have to settle for the softcover?! That's trash I already have a crappy softcover army book I want a hardcover for my skaven.

Just chiming..nothing against you or anything but

lol. i like how when hard covers came out people were up in arms about how expensive it was and how much better soft covers was because reasons.

It's worth noting that "people" aren't a collective hive mind, there can be varying opinions I prefer soft back for books I'll be flipping back and forth through (like army books) but I have nothing against hard back other than when hard back army books came out they came with a MASSIVE price increase that meant I most definitely would have preferred cheaper soft backs.

That was by far the biggest complaint I heard with the hard back army books came out, "You want me to pay HOW much for my updated rules??"

 chiefbigredman wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
So apparently the hardback editions are ONLY going to be sold on the web store and NOT TO FLGS....only the softbacks will be sent to them. That's bullcrap.
My flgs got about 3-4 copies of the hardbacks each release. Now the skaven one comes out and I'll probably have to settle for the softcover?! That's trash I already have a crappy softcover army book I want a hardcover for my skaven.

Just chiming..nothing against you or anything but

lol. i like how when hard covers came out people were up in arms about how expensive it was and how much better soft covers was because reasons.

Well I only own a soft cover of a space marine codex and thats when I first got into gw stuff. Then I got tau and eldar in hard cover and I have empire and vampire counts army books in hard cover and my poor skaven army book is looking a little tattered now. I really like the hardcovers over the softcovers. They feel better, look better and last longer.

I remember working at the local GW when the 5th ed Vanilla codex came out... of the 48 copies we were sent for release weekend, the first 12 had to be written off and couldn't be sold because the softback binding was utterly incapable of holding that huge tome together.
of the initial 36 we did sell, almost half came back later that week due to so many pages falling out/book exploding because people weren't being careful enough with them, and cracked the binding.

Hardbacks are massive improvement!

 chiefbigredman wrote:


Well I only own a soft cover of a space marine codex and thats when I first got into gw stuff. Then I got tau and eldar in hard cover and I have empire and vampire counts army books in hard cover and my poor skaven army book is looking a little tattered now. I really like the hardcovers over the softcovers. They feel better, look better and last longer.

Likewise. I have Skaven and Bretonnia in softback and everything else in hardback now...including O&G, Ogre Kingdoms, Vampire Counts and Dark Elves...with Skaven being my main and favorite army of the bunch...I'd really like to have a hard back army book for them. Im also hoping that the Thanquol books last a little longer on the webstore on Friday due to them selling the whole print run on-line and in GW stores only. If I don't get one, I'm going to be VERY bummed.

I prefer the hardbacks too. They are pricey though, but I feel they're worth it - more so in Fantasy, I think in general they're better quality than the 40k ones, rules and fluff wise.

Not that I'd complain if they were cheaper of course!

Actually, I don't see why GW cant offer a harback AND a softback option like "little 'ol Privateer Press" seems to have no problem doing...

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
So apparently the hardback editions are ONLY going to be sold on the web store and NOT TO FLGS....only the softbacks will be sent to them. That's bullcrap.
My flgs got about 3-4 copies of the hardbacks each release. Now the skaven one comes out and I'll probably have to settle for the softcover?! That's trash I already have a crappy softcover army book I want a hardcover for my skaven.

Just chiming..nothing against you or anything but

lol. i like how when hard covers came out people were up in arms about how expensive it was and how much better soft covers was because reasons.

You mean the HC ET books? I never saw anyone say that. Maybe when the first HB army book came out like 3/4 years ago.

I meant when regular rule books when into hard cover mode and nearly doubled in price. people got miffed. (i had no issues with it though it makes it hard to book collect)

 Fango wrote:
Actually, I don't see why GW cant offer a harback AND a softback option like "little 'ol Privateer Press" seems to have no problem doing...

They are...

Unfortunately the HBs have been in short supply (and will not be reprinted) and now seem to be going direct only

(now that could be to make more money, or it could be because they've ordered fewer copies of the skaven book as it's only really relevant to a single army book and they mistakenly thought it wouldn't be popular... they certainly underestimated the ET popularity over all hence the delay in the Nagash/Glottkin softcovers)

the softcovers should be available at LGS though

Experiment 626 wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
So apparently the hardback editions are ONLY going to be sold on the web store and NOT TO FLGS....only the softbacks will be sent to them. That's bullcrap.
My flgs got about 3-4 copies of the hardbacks each release. Now the skaven one comes out and I'll probably have to settle for the softcover?! That's trash I already have a crappy softcover army book I want a hardcover for my skaven.

Just chiming..nothing against you or anything but

lol. i like how when hard covers came out people were up in arms about how expensive it was and how much better soft covers was because reasons.

Well I only own a soft cover of a space marine codex and thats when I first got into gw stuff. Then I got tau and eldar in hard cover and I have empire and vampire counts army books in hard cover and my poor skaven army book is looking a little tattered now. I really like the hardcovers over the softcovers. They feel better, look better and last longer.

I remember working at the local GW when the 5th ed Vanilla codex came out... of the 48 copies we were sent for release weekend, the first 12 had to be written off and couldn't be sold because the softback binding was utterly incapable of holding that huge tome together.
of the initial 36 we did sell, almost half came back later that week due to so many pages falling out/book exploding because people weren't being careful enough with them, and cracked the binding.

Hardbacks are massive improvement!

Wait, huh? I have softcover "huge tomes" that are actually, you know, tomes, and huge - massive physics and computing textbooks - which are softbacks that have lasted over a decade with nothing more than normal shelf wear. Just because GW apparently couldn't be bothered to find a print house that knew how to bind books properly doesn't mean it's impossible to bind books properly. I mean jeebus, I have an ancient Javascript Bible up on my shelf in softback that weighs nearly two kilos.

GW went to hardbacks because they're perceived as being "premium", for which GW can charge substantially more money for a very modest increase in their costs. Them being slightly more durable than poorly bound softcovers is incidental.

Desubot wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
So apparently the hardback editions are ONLY going to be sold on the web store and NOT TO FLGS....only the softbacks will be sent to them. That's bullcrap.
My flgs got about 3-4 copies of the hardbacks each release. Now the skaven one comes out and I'll probably have to settle for the softcover?! That's trash I already have a crappy softcover army book I want a hardcover for my skaven.

Just chiming..nothing against you or anything but

lol. i like how when hard covers came out people were up in arms about how expensive it was and how much better soft covers was because reasons.

You mean the HC ET books? I never saw anyone say that. Maybe when the first HB army book came out like 3/4 years ago.

I meant when regular rule books when into hard cover mode and nearly doubled in price. people got miffed. (i had no issues with it though it makes it hard to book collect)

Yeah but that's a different issue, and it was a long time ago now, and as has been said, different people have different opinions. Associating what people said 4 years ago to what different people are saying today is...weird.

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 Fango wrote:
Actually, I don't see why GW cant offer a harback AND a softback option like "little 'ol Privateer Press" seems to have no problem doing...

They are...

Unfortunately the HBs have been in short supply (and will not be reprinted) and now seem to be going direct only

(now that could be to make more money, or it could be because they've ordered fewer copies of the skaven book as it's only really relevant to a single army book and they mistakenly thought it wouldn't be popular... they certainly underestimated the ET popularity over all hence the delay in the Nagash/Glottkin softcovers)

the softcovers should be available at LGS though

I think they meant all books should have the option of hardback and soft back, like PPP do it. I think it's a good idea, something for everyone then.

 Desubot wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
So apparently the hardback editions are ONLY going to be sold on the web store and NOT TO FLGS....only the softbacks will be sent to them. That's bullcrap.
My flgs got about 3-4 copies of the hardbacks each release. Now the skaven one comes out and I'll probably have to settle for the softcover?! That's trash I already have a crappy softcover army book I want a hardcover for my skaven.

Just chiming..nothing against you or anything but

lol. i like how when hard covers came out people were up in arms about how expensive it was and how much better soft covers was because reasons.

Hardcover is more expensive but it gives a vibe of 'Bad-***itude' about it. Plus everybody else gets hardback books and you get a softback. It kind of makes your army book feel old, weak and outdated.

@Experiment626: I had no idea you work or worked for GW. I'm a little surprised considering some of the previous rage over the daemons army. I always thought GW employees had to kiss the company's *** repeatedly until told otherwise.

 ImAGeek wrote:
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Well i find it ironic or just funny that i saw at least one person making a statement against soft cover books when the situation was reversed a few years ago. nothing weird about it.

 Desubot wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
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Well i find it ironic or just funny that i saw at least one person making a statement against soft cover books when the situation was reversed a few years ago. nothing weird about it.

Fair enough, when you put it like that. Sorry! It is ironic, it's funny how things like that change over time. Just seemed like you were having a go, I know you said you weren't in your post but it just read a bit like it.

 ImAGeek wrote:

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 Fango wrote:
Actually, I don't see why GW cant offer a harback AND a softback option like "little 'ol Privateer Press" seems to have no problem doing...

They are...

Unfortunately the HBs have been in short supply (and will not be reprinted) and now seem to be going direct only

(now that could be to make more money, or it could be because they've ordered fewer copies of the skaven book as it's only really relevant to a single army book and they mistakenly thought it wouldn't be popular... they certainly underestimated the ET popularity over all hence the delay in the Nagash/Glottkin softcovers)

the softcovers should be available at LGS though

I think they meant all books should have the option of hardback and soft back, like PPP do it. I think it's a good idea, something for everyone then.

Yep, none of the army books and/or codices are available in softback (except those that are older than the first HB ones)...

Do we know if there will be other rules outside of Skaven?

Like one off heroes aka valten, karl franz

 chiefbigredman wrote:

 Schlyne wrote:
Am I the only person going nuts wanting to know what other armies are going to be in this book besides skaven? I was really hoping they were going to drop some hints in the white dwarf, but NOPE. Nothing in the teaser either.

Its only going to be skaven, no combined forces list like the other books.

If you mean story wise, I'd say lizardmen, empire, little bit of dwarves. That's what's rumoured but I'm not sure

If this is really what's going to happen, I am sad. I'm still buying the book anyway...but I was really hoping for a O&G, OK and Skaven rules book... The dice look really nice.

That makes me think that the fifth book will be just be a combined "here's everything else for ET".

I wonder if it would be worth ordering ten of these and selling them on eBay. Not so certain because I still see some of the earlier HB in this series at the LFGS.

They will likely limit them to 1 copy per person to avoid that very scenario.

 Desubot wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
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Well i find it ironic or just funny that i saw at least one person making a statement against soft cover books when the situation was reversed a few years ago. nothing weird about it.

I was one of them that got really pissed when GW switched to hardcover for codices and army books, but only because it came with a substantial price increase to go with it. $30 to $50 is a pretty huge jump, and I was of the opinion that the quality should have been there anyway at the prices we were paying before, so didn't like the fact I was being gouged even more because GW only half-listened to the fanbase like they always do. "Oh, people apparently want full color rulebooks that won't fall apart, and feel they're being charged too much for what they're getting...hmm...here, we'll bring the quality up to par, and then charge them nearly twice as much as before!"

The appeal of softcover codices or army books to me is the price. Usually when books are offered in both formats the softcover is the "budget" option, and that's what PP kinda does with it's (completely optional and not necessary for play) army books. I still want the content but don't want to pay $50 for a super fancy hardcover version of the book that I don't really need, that's going to be out of date in a year or two anyway. I would probably pay $30 for a full cover, softcover codex or army book, or for something like the recent "small format" codex releases they did that were still hardcover. Maybe $35 if they start putting painting tips and stuff back into the books like PP does. But modern GW doesn't think that way, modern GW produces a softcover version of a previously hardcover book and thinks it doesn't need to be any cheaper than the full-sized/fancy hardcover version, so they knock $9 off the price just to be nice and think "Yeah, that's good enough. Man, people will love us"

Oh no, my heart-the savings...I can't handle the savings...argh...*dies*

If the difference between a fancy hardcover version and a shittier softcover book (which in the case of the End Times releases is going to look really weird on the shelf next to the other hardcover releases if you grabbed them) is only $9, then feth it, why even bother? Why not just pay the extra $9 and get a better quality product? I'm not at all happy about paying $80 for a rulebook (hence why I'm no more interested in WHF with the End Times releases than I was before, still too fething expensive to get into), but if my only option is to pay $80 for a book or $71 for a much crappier version of the same book, then I'd prefer either not buying the book at all or getting the better quality version because the "savings" isn't worth buying an inferior product.

 Sidstyler wrote:


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The appeal of softcover codices or army books to me is the price. Usually when books are offered in both formats the softcover is the "budget" option, and that's what PP kinda does with it's (completely optional and not necessary for play) army books. I still want the content but don't want to pay $50 for a super fancy hardcover version of the book that I don't really need, that's going to be out of date in a year or two anyway. I would probably pay $30 for a full cover, softcover codex or army book, or for something like the recent "small format" codex releases they did that were still hardcover.

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I was intrigued by the small format hardcovers...and considered getting them...but I still haven't seen any evidence that they will be doing any of the 7th edition codices in that format...so far, it's just been the 6th edition books...I would like to guarantee that I could get the whole set in the same format before I commit...which brings us to the issue many are having with the End Times and Shield of Baal soft-cover re-prints...why can't they re-print in hardback? (obviously because they aren't willing to place an order large enough to get them the volume discount they feel comfortable with.)