End times book IV: SKAVEN

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**thedarkavenger**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
did this show up yet

other storm vermin builds (which pretty much guarantees only one of each weapon set up in the box)

Lol. Light armour. A massive middle finger up to every Skaven player out there.

**Fango**

Ah, genius, GW. One of each means people buying more boxes to get their optimal loadout for the unit...and likely also why they had to write the rules to make the units mix-matched.

**Platuan4th**

thedarkavenger wrote:

Lol. Light armour. A massive middle finger up to every Skaven player out there.

Except for the fact that the rules specifically say that you apply wounds to the warpstone enhanced armor Fiends first. You only need to include 1(2 for 6+ sized units) to tank the hits for the rest.

**Kirasu**

Yeah except a 6 man unit is way too many points. Imo this unit is pretty DOA due to it being a rare choice and having no resiliency for a monstrous unit.. way too expensive per model compared to other rares

**jojo_monkey_boy**

I just looked at the new stuff on GW's web site. 26 CAD for the new warlord and grey seer models!

GW still sell the dark elf sorceress plastic model for 17.75 CAD. It was one of the first few plastic character models released in 2011.

Can someone help me understand why these new models cost almost 1.5 the price?

This is why their sales are dropping.

**Dez**

New stuff is up http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer?N=102351+4294967192&Nu=product.repositoryId&qty=12&sorting=phl&view=table

**Flashman**

jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I just looked at the new stuff on GW's web site. 26 CAD for the new warlord and grey seer models!

GW still sell the dark elf sorceress plastic model for 17.75 CAD. It was one of the first few plastic character models released in 2011.

Can someone help me understand why these new models cost almost 1.5 the price?

This is why their sales are dropping.

There is no logical reason, beyond price creep to keep their profits rising. The price disparity between old kits and new ones is quite bemusing. Sometimes they try to up the price of special units in Warhammer for the (laws of economics defying) reason that people buy less of those kits. The VC Grave Guard were the same price as the VC Skeletons when both kits were released. Now look at the disparity!

Anyhow, you're looking in the wrong place for price logic.

**Kirasu**

jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I just looked at the new stuff on GW's web site. 26 CAD for the new warlord and grey seer models!

GW still sell the dark elf sorceress plastic model for 17.75 CAD. It was one of the first few plastic character models released in 2011.

Can someone help me understand why these new models cost almost 1.5 the price?

This is why their sales are dropping.

Because you aren't buying enough models...therefore they have to raise prices in order to entice you to buy more models.. obviously.

**streamdragon**

I dunno. I could definitely see a unit of 3 making regular rounds, especially in themed lists. Swapping an HPA for a unit of 3 isn't a bad trade off, especially as more and more armies bring flaming attacks to the table.

3x Ratling Cannons or whatever is 9d6 shots at BS3 S5 with Armor Piercing. Certainly great for dealing with avoidance cavalry units, even if their range is short the weapons aren't Move or Fire. Or a unit of Warpfire Projectors. 6 Flame Templates will wreck just about any unit you fire at, and on a much more resilient platform that normal Warpfire Throwers.

255 points gets you 12 T4 wounds with a 6+ or 4+ depending on weapons.
250 points gets you 6 T5 wounds with a 4+r.

I'd say it's a pretty even toss, and you can have both at 2400, plus a WLC at 2500.

**pretre**

Dez wrote:
New stuff is up http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer?N=102351+4294967192&Nu=product.repositoryId&qty=12&sorting=phl&view=table

**streamdragon**

Yeah, only 1 of each weapon set is disappointing, but not really surprising, given there are 6(!) weapon options.

**thedarkavenger**

Platuan4th wrote:
thedarkavenger wrote:

Lol. Light armour. A massive middle finger up to every Skaven player out there.

Except for the fact that the rules specifically say that you apply wounds to the warpstone enhanced armor Fiends first. You only need to include 1(2 for 6+ sized units) to tank the hits for the rest.

Only if you give them doomflayers or shock gauntlets.

And still, that's either 3/9 or 6/18 wounds. Which isn't good by any definition of the word.

**Platuan4th**

thedarkavenger wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:
thedarkavenger wrote:

Lol. Light armour. A massive middle finger up to every Skaven player out there.

Except for the fact that the rules specifically say that you apply wounds to the warpstone enhanced armor Fiends first. You only need to include 1(2 for 6+ sized units) to tank the hits for the rest.

Only if you give them doomflayers or shock gauntlets.

And still, that's either 3/9 or 6/18 wounds. Which isn't good by any definition of the word.

They're 4 wounds a piece, not 3.

Still, my point about them not being a middle finger to Skaven players stands.

**Chopxsticks**

Im kinda excited you can only make one of each. In a game filled with large numbers of models all standing in the same exact pose its kinda nice to see a unit that A.) can have different load outs and B.) each one looks unique.

Im hoping this also ties into 9e edition and its rumors as well.

**highlord tamburlaine**

Are those guys this weekend or next? Totally going to get some, I hate to say it.

I know Boneripper is this one.

**Platuan4th**

highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Are those guys this weekend or next? Totally going to get some, I hate to say it.

I know Boneripper is this one.

Next weekend.

**YourIntestines**

The stormfiends appear to have Tyranids strapped to their back.

**Hive City Dweller**

Haha love the big brained rats on the back of these!

**Dez**

I've got a bunch of converted Rat Ogres (6, 3 pictured) and more (9? 12?) to go, so one or two boxes of Stormfiends will be great. Could be Shock Mauls and Warp Grinders. Anyway, you can probably get more bang out of your buck if you have some of the IoB Rat Ogres and an Exacto knife

I'm loving the 'Ratathropes' on the back!

**highlord tamburlaine**

Those are pretty awesome Dez.

Makes me think I ought to put some of the random Ork parts to use on converting some of my own...

**Accolade**

Saw rumors on Naftka pertaining to the lore in the END TIMES: Thanquol book. I've spoiler'd it below:

Spoiler:

Please do not read this if you do not want to have this spoiled for you when you pick up your book. Of course I have not read this yet personally myself, but this is what was sent in from someone that got their book a day early.

The Fate of Lizardmen may just be answered below the break.

Please remember that I personally have not read the book, as its not released yet. Here is the spoiler from someone that says they have it.

via a reader on Faeit 212
a buddy of mine got his copy of the 4th End Times book yesterday and he
already read through it. Maybe you and your readers are intrested in some
little Stuff

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Spoilers
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Seems like lizardman are gone!
in short, Skaven have built a gigantic canon over the course of several
hundred years and with that they shot down Morrslieb, one of the Moons of
the Warhammer World.
The resulting rain of moonchunks down onto the planet destroyed a large
part of the Lizardsmans' continent, turning it into a burning wasteland. The
surviving Lizards gathered on one of the remaining parts and to keep it
simple: ripped it out of the ground through magic and flew away.

seems like dem reptiles are gone.
last page of the book shows an artwork of acharon coming out of a chaos
portal with a verminlord next to him.

**Desubot**

Now thats a giant middle finger to lizardmen

**pretre**

Desubot wrote:
Now thats a giant middle finger to lizardmen

No. It's a giant cannon.

**ImAGeek**

'There's no way they'd squat the Lizardmen' clearly people were underestimating how far GW would go...

**pretre**

ImAGeek wrote:
how far GW would go...

To the moon is the answer to this.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Maybe they're flying off to 40K?

**pretre**

From the comments thread:

LORE:

PLACES:

Empire:
Graf Boris Todbringer leaves Middenheim in the hands of Valten and Gregor Mertak and goes after Khazrak who he blames for all the bad things happening in his lands. He finds his nemesis but falls into a trap, although he challanges Khazrak, kills him, but at the end he is torn apart by Khazrak's herd
Middenheim is under siege by a combined force of Archaon and Thanquol. Basically the Verminlords decide that Skaven are not strong enought to resist the Lord of the End Times, so Verminking sends Thanquol to speak with Archaon and make a deal. Archaon accepts and uses the skaven as a distraction and to poison the city of Middenheim. Eventually it turns out that Teclis is alive, hinding underground while performing a spell to steal the flame of Ulrik that is protecting the city against the invaders (the reason is not mantioned but it's for a greater good). Because of that the flame of Ulrik dies and people panic all around, so without protection deamons and skaven storm the city and the big fight starts... Archaon fights Valten but he gets kille by Verminlord Deciever's shurken, Gregor Mertak banishes Kayros from the mortla world but cannot resist Archaon.

Lustria:
The skaven use Morrslieb to bombard the Lizardem but thanks to the effort of the Slann mages, some of them survive, although ALL of the SLann mages are slain in the process and are basically as Lord Kroak... This guy awakens and beats death, retuns to life just to save certain areas of Lustria by creating magical orbs that lift those lands and set them into the void" (YES WELCOME BUBBLEHAMMER, POKEHAMMER, WARHAMMERBALL ). After that Kroak dies again, and the prophet of SOtek dies too... Tet'o EKo is alive, as Krok Gar (i believe). Clan pestilens is seriously comprimised...

Kharaz-a-Karak:
the battle between skaven, dwarfs and gobbos start at the EIght Peaks, with Queek falling into Skarsnik's trap, althought the Skaven arre much stronger, and Gobbla gets killed so SKasnik loses all of his will to fight... Belegar gets killed by Queek and his head is taken away. At a certain point a Verminlord takes the head to Skarsnik as a token of peace, and he gives him also a warpstone bomb to take to Zhufbar, but Skarsnik think it's a much better idea to detonate the Eight Peaks so he'll be rememebered as the true last king of the mountain and he takes his waaagh and leaves forever those lands for a new unnamed destination.
After that Ikit Claw and QUeek lay siege to Kharaz-a-Kharak, the skaven have the biggest army in the history of the Old World, they even manage to brake the gate, but at that very the skaven army gets charged by the Bugman's rangers and Ungrim's slayers... Thay kill so many skaven that the army starts to panic, so Thorgrim has the chance to get close to Queek, and so he orders his bearers to put him on the ground and challanges the Skaven Warlord... Queek accepts makes some crazy ninja moves, yet Throgrim is much more stonger than him, so he manages to catch the skaven chief and after saying some epic words breakes his neck.... The clan Mors gets buchered Ikit Claw gets killed (but it's not true), and the dwarrfs win one of the biggest vistories in their history. Clan mors is destroyed... So at the end, Ungrim leaves to go help the EMpire with an army of ONLY slayers, Bugman speaks to Throgrim, and then goes away, and Throgrim gets back to the fortress of Kharaz-a-Karak, goes to think in a secret chamber, but he gets surprised by Snitch who kills him, draws some runes in order to summon the Deceiver, in order to open the gates and let the smaller clans (underground) strorm the fortress (at least that's the plan but the story stops before the invasion)

GENERAL:
Chaos moves south, yet from the west dragon roars are herd in the empire while from the East the Ogre Kingdoms are about to arrive... Nagash moves north although he is slowed down by greenskins and dwarfs (in separate moments)

CHARACTERS:

Empire:
- Graf Boris Todbringr killed by beastmen
- Gregor Mertak killed after banishing Kaiyros
- Valten killed by a shuriken from the Deceiver

Skaven:
- Queek killed by Throgrim
- Ikit Claw killed/wounded
- Thanquol allied with Archaon

Chaos:
- Khazrak killed ina duel
- Kaiyros bannished by Gregor

Dwarfs:
- Thorgrim killed by SNitch
- Belegar killed
- Ungrim Avatar of fire

Elves:
- Teclis is alave and he stole the flame of Ulrik

Lizardmen:
- Mazdamundi dead
- Lord Kroak dead
- Prpehet of Sotek dead.

**flamingkillamajig**

Hive City Dweller wrote:
Haha love the big brained rats on the back of these!

Well i think that answers why the stormfiends don't have frenzy or stupidity. Basically their brains are being controlled by a smaller rat creature.

**pretre**

The comments on that faeit post are almost 4chan bad.

**Bi'ios**

ImAGeek wrote:
'There's no way they'd squat the Lizardmen' clearly people were underestimating how far GW would go...

Doesn't mean they're gone, and to be honest, it would make sense given the idea that the world will be splintered into various parts. The lizardmen have a mobile operating base, now. One that could go wherever they want it to. A small, mobile continent. Think Zeal from Chrono Trigger.