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via Danboy Jack in the Faeit 212 Comment sections
Necron rumors I heard are pretty dire, shop worker who is a close friend of mine got this info while he was up hq for some training purposes last week.
Gauss will now on a roll of a six be double strength against vehicles so rifles str8, the immortal ones str 10 instead of auto glancing.
the stand back up rule is gone now all necrons have a 5+ invuln save made better by a res orb by +1 on troops and +2 on characters because they have removed the 3+ invuln item res orbs 5pts dearer.
He also saw a change/notes for both flayed ones and scarabs but didn't have time to read them properly other than scarabs do two things on a 5 and a 6 now. I'm guessing an armour point gone on only a 5 now and maybe a glance on a 6? That's speculation on my part.
Please i'm just repeating what i was told today he's a bit of a joker my mate but he really was up there last week as some other guy was covering the shop.
I find these fake rumors quite hilarious. I love how he's all like "dire news", especially when the tesla rule he's describing is an absurd buff that would be considered cheesy as all hell.
The inv save on Necrons would also be a massive buff. The potential for a massive T4 troop blob, with 4++, re-rolling 1's, armed with guns that (still) causes glances to Land Raiders and penetrates everything else and simply invalidate grav/plasma/melta weapons as well as huge blast weapons with AP1 - 4, that were otherwise perfectly suited to deal with Necron warriors, is quite simply insane.
"Dire news" indeed!
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Those rumors sound like bunk. Poor rewrites. As bad as GW is at writing rules, they aren't that bad. What we need is a 1st turn deepstriker from reserves (/looks at Monolith).
Sigvatr wrote: I don't see why. The Vindicare Assasin, for example, the old one, was about the best anti-vehicle unit out there and just killed everything with a single shot. Yet it was a single infantry model. Should it have been a giant MC?
I don't see how model size is supposed to reflect a model's actual strength on the battlefield. By the same logic, a C'Tan shard should be the size of a regular infantry unit, Necron Destroyers should be the size of Tau Drones, Sentry Pylons should be the size of regular Pylons etc. etc.
"Size equals strength" is a dead end.
I'm pretty sure the reason why only the old vindicare has that rule but the rule one does not is because what everyone's complaining about.
If you can hide something that can kill large units behind most normal cover, that is an OP unit.
via Danboy Jack in the Faeit 212 Comment sections
Necron rumors I heard are pretty dire, shop worker who is a close friend of mine got this info while he was up hq for some training purposes last week.
Gauss will now on a roll of a six be double strength against vehicles so rifles str8, the immortal ones str 10 instead of auto glancing.
the stand back up rule is gone now all necrons have a 5+ invuln save made better by a res orb by +1 on troops and +2 on characters because they have removed the 3+ invuln item res orbs 5pts dearer.
He also saw a change/notes for both flayed ones and scarabs but didn't have time to read them properly other than scarabs do two things on a 5 and a 6 now. I'm guessing an armour point gone on only a 5 now and maybe a glance on a 6? That's speculation on my part.
Please i'm just repeating what i was told today he's a bit of a joker my mate but he really was up there last week as some other guy was covering the shop.
I find these fake rumors quite hilarious. I love how he's all like "dire news", especially when the tesla rule he's describing is an absurd buff that would be considered cheesy as all hell.
The inv save on Necrons would also be a massive buff. The potential for a massive T4 troop blob, with 4++, re-rolling 1's, armed with guns that (still) causes glances to Land Raiders and penetrates everything else and simply invalidate grav/plasma/melta weapons as well as huge blast weapons with AP1 - 4, that were otherwise perfectly suited to deal with Necron warriors, is quite simply insane.
"Dire news" indeed!
If you can still take 30 strong warrior blobs this is a buff! Who cares about the glancing rule, if this is true I'm expanding my small necron force.
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NecronLord3 wrote: Yes that sounds awesome up until you lose a round of assault and the entire squad is swept with ain't. 2. Yippee!
Oh, yeah. I forgot how 6-7th edition is filled with CC armies, riddled with units that effortlessly kills T4, WS4, 4++, re-rolling 1's (with formation).
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NecronLord3 wrote: Yes that sounds awesome up until you lose a round of assault and the entire squad is swept with ain't. 2. Yippee!
Oh, yeah. I forgot how 6-7th edition is filled with CC armies, riddled with units that effortlessly kills T4, WS4, 4++, re-rolling 1's (with formation).
I'm assuming the new Blood Angels formation is news to you? An unaugmented daemon prince would do this soundly, or a Hive Tyrant, of which your opponent could have 5 of each those.
I'm assuming the new Blood Angels formation is news to you?
Technically speaking, they're news to everyone. What formation are you referring to? The one that needs to pay a tax of 800+ points and need to position every unit that wish to DS within 12" of 2/3 of those flying shoeboxes? How many good CC units does that army have, after paying HQ+troops+formation tax? Yeah, sure sounds like a scary army to me.
An unaugmented daemon prince would do this soundly
He can effortlessly cleave through a squad that has a 4++ inv that re-rolls 1's? No he couldn't. I suggest you read my post again. My example was assuming if those fake rumors were true. Your mind seem to either be stuck on the current RP, that or you simply don't understand what an inv save means (hint: guess why smash no longer is effective when inv saves comes to play).
or a Hive Tyrant, of which your opponent could have 5 of each those.
And if he happens to have 5 of them, I'll bet you my right testicle that they all have wings and will be busy drowning you in shots, rather than ineffectively fighting you on the ground and if he decides to land them in order to fight you, you're either badly losing or badly winning.
The "Formation" Is the Mephrit Dynasty Cohort Detachment (CAD replacement) that must take 3 troops instead of 2 and loses Objective Secured to get re-roll 1s for Reanimation Protocol (with better RP why not take more troops anyways) and can re-roll Mephrit Dynasty Warlord Traits. There is no tax for the detachment, they just can't take Tesseract Vaults.
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I'm assuming the new Blood Angels formation is news to you?
Technically speaking, they're news to everyone. What formation are you referring to? The one that needs to pay a tax of 800+ points and need to position every unit that wish to DS within 12" of 2/3 of those flying shoeboxes? How many good CC units does that army have, after paying HQ+troops+formation tax? Yeah, sure sounds like a scary army to me.
An unaugmented daemon prince would do this soundly
He can effortlessly cleave through a squad that has a 4++ inv that re-rolls 1's? No he couldn't. I suggest you read my post again. My example was assuming if those fake rumors were true. Your mind seem to either be stuck on the current RP, that or you simply don't understand what an inv save means (hint: guess why smash no longer is effective when inv saves comes to play).
or a Hive Tyrant, of which your opponent could have 5 of each those.
And if he happens to have 5 of them, I'll bet you my right testicle that they all have wings and will be busy drowning you in shots, rather than ineffectively fighting you on the ground and if he decides to land them in order to fight you, you're either badly losing or badly winning.
1. Terrible list.
2. Little to nowhere is 3 CAD ever allowed.
2. The actual lists that features 5 tyrants is 1 CAD with 2 flyrants + sky blight
The approx. 900 points of blood angels is nothing in an 1850 game when you have another 900 points of deep striking terminators, assault marines, sanguinary guard etc.
It only takes any one of those flying MCs(which don't even have to fly against Necrons) to win a combat buy 2-3 wounds to make it enough to win a combat and cause the unit to flee, from which you will be swept. 4++ rerolling ones is still a 50% failure on the second roll. I run daemons as well as Necrons and a Tzeentch loves to roll 2a when you have a 3++ save rerolling ones. Good luck if you think it's going to win you games, I know it won't.
Interesting lists... Assuming the Daemons and Tyrants all have assault weapons, per the assertion above, how prevelant and effective are these lists in the current meta?
Paradigm for a happy relationship with Games Workshop: Burn the books and take the models to a different game.
Tokhuah wrote: Interesting lists... Assuming the Daemons and Tyrants all have assault weapons, per the assertion above, how prevelant and effective are these lists in the current meta?
I can only offer I you info regarding Tyranids-
All Tyranid weapons are assault weapons, so no issue there. As for how prevalent it is you need to check the Tournament discussions and battle reports subforums. The first page of the Tyranid Tactics thread in the Tactics subforum has a few battle reports using a Pentyrant list by jy2. The majority of players seem to agree that it's too cheesy to bring to a tournament- it's no fun facing that much firepower.
And a much simpler list is Hive Fleet Leviathan detachment(3 Tyrants) with a codex Tyranids CAD(2 Tyrants).
The next White Dwarf should leak soon right? Will it be the one to preview Necrons, or is that next week's?
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Related, but not specific to Necrons - Anyone know why Lords of War Gaming have been all quiet since the new year? They've had such a solid track record and now silent..
Thokt wrote: Related, but not specific to Necrons - Anyone know why Lords of War Gaming have been all quiet since the new year? They've had such a solid track record and now silent..
What's with the Reanimation Protocols is going to be invulnerable saves or Feel No Pain Saves? Is this the 5th edition Necron codex rumours all over again? We had this last time and it never happenend. I am sure it will not happen this time either. That is one of the things that make Necrons unique.
Take RP away may as well take ATKNF from SM then. Won't happen.
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
I find it a tad silly that we're less than 3 weeks from the supposed release date and these are the only rumors we have. I'd expect some sort of substantial leak or something by this point, maybe everyone's still in holiday mode.
Tokhuah wrote: Interesting lists... Assuming the Daemons and Tyrants all have assault weapons, per the assertion above, how prevelant and effective are these lists in the current meta?
Daemons run almost no guns, period. You shoot in the Psychic phase only, and use the shooting phase to move again(unless you're nurgle)
Unless GW has a handle on who and where the 'real' leaks are coming from and they are managing the Necron information to avoid impacting their End Times sales.
Either that or there are almost no new models as most rumors suggest and just a book to write.
Fewer people with information to leak so fewer ways to get it out to us.
Could be that the 23rd WD will have already described most of the big changes before anyone gets their hands on the codex and leaks.
At least, I sincerely hope it does.
Actually, here's to hoping the Necrons are the focus of both the 23rd and the 6th WDs on the assumption that means there's more to discuss.
I was checking the status of the Necron rumors over on Spikey Bits this morning, and they still put Necrons at the end of January, but possibly even more intersting, they are also calling for a May release of Sisters.
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