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Relapse wrote:

changemod wrote:

DaKKaLAnce wrote:
so is this old news? The necron rumours have been very quiet....

Well there is that single Ancient Evil line in white dwarf if you conveniently forget that could apply to about 50% of Games Workshop's armies and Necrons haven't been universally evil in years.

Decent odds it applies, but it's far from the only thing that line could refer to.

Consider the fact it would have been just as easy to scan and post the actual Necron article, if it existed, from that issue instead of a line that most likely applies to Warhammer undead.

Where did he say it was an actual article? Plus, it has been posted in the thread already.

 adamsouza wrote:
There is also often overlooked value of the psychological aspect of reanimation protocol has demoralizing your opponent. It's quite annoying to line up a shot, roll to hit, roll to wound, watch you fail saves, and then a minute later you roll and undo whatever he accomplished. Now, to add further insult to injury, you go, oh wait, I get to reroll those 1's.

Don't forget the Ghost Ark!
(so you can just replace any of the guys who weren't able to stand back up last turn)
Mmmm, that must be sweet,
"So basically, only a 2 or a 3 is bad... 'course, then I'll probably just add a couple guys back to the unit again next turn anyway, so... I dunno, I guess you can try shooting at them if you want?"
Seriously, the only way they could be better is if you could somehow give them Fearless so they wouldn't have to worry about getting swept in combat.

 skoffs wrote:
Don't forget the Ghost Ark

Trust me, I didn't. Just couldn't figure out how to add it to the percentage equation

58.5% chance per model to reanimate, +100% chance to reanimate additional 1d3

I still like RP cool gimmick even if its annoying, but then big models regaining pools of wounds, or invisible killteams going around wiping stuff out isnt annoying at all. Take it all away and you got sturdy metallic skeletons with no psychic ability.

Lets hope some more news shows up cause this thread really has just been a bunch of this needs to go this need to go this is too op this and that, some news man give us the news.

I do actually kwow roughly when the codex comes out. Our local GW shop manager said himself sometime next month.

Next month? Sounds familiar...

Out of curiosity do you guys think that Forgeworld will FAQ their neuron list, or will they ignore it much like they did when seventh came out and there where changes to the chariots?

 Jaceevoke wrote:
Out of curiosity do you guys think that Forgeworld will FAQ their neuron list, or will they ignore it much like they did when seventh came out and there where changes to the chariots?

Unlikely, they haven't FAQed anything from 40k to 7th yet to my knowledge.

Honestly though, all I really want them to prod into shape there is the Skyfire nerf making Gauss Sentry Pylons and the full scale pylons horrendously overpriced

Whether or not a special character who's abilities are mostly centred around buffing a unit into an assault unit can ride a barge or not is small potatoes next to that.

I tried out a regular opponent's Necron army the other night using the WD Monolith formation, and I can say without question that rerolling ones on RP and adding guys back during your movement phase is bonkers. It's like playing a Summoning Spam list. He played Tau, shot one big squad all to hell and then proceeded to utterly fail to kill anything else in the formation for good. Maybe five out of thirty stayed dead after he wiped the big blob out with some good luck and concentrated fire with 75% of the army. Narrow Maelstrom victory for him in all fairness. The demoralizing effect o not being able to put things down for good is pretty impressive. End of turn one we had a laugh about how absurd it was. I was like, imagine doing this on the regular! I've lost hours of my life to your stupid RP shenanigans! It's also worth noting that if the Monolith's teleportal stays the same in the new book, you can rally troops below 25% by sucking them up, disembarking, adding back models to bring you back over 25%.

 adamsouza wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
Don't forget the Ghost Ark

Trust me, I didn't. Just couldn't figure out how to add it to the percentage equation

58.5% chance per model to reanimate, +100% chance to reanimate additional 1d3

It's actually 58.33% . Or, most precisely, 7/12.

Just messing with you on the correction, but that's a useful fraction to know when working out the mathhams on these. Also, for those who are curious, 5+ with RR to 1 is 7/18, and 3+ with RR to 1's is 7/9. /the-more-you-know

It's actually a nifty little progression when you include 6+:

7/36 to 7/18 to 7/12 to 7/9 to, well 35/36, which breaks the magic, but oh well. lol


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To add to the RP discussions, though, I seriously doubt both the FNP and the invuln rumors. They sound quite a bit like the false rumors we heard running up to the 5th edition Dex.

I wouldn't be surprised to see somethings, like MSS, streamlined, however. Some of the RC gear as well.

aushlo wrote:
I tried out a regular opponent's Necron army the other night using the WD Monolith formation, and I can say without question that rerolling ones on RP and adding guys back during your movement phase is bonkers. It's like playing a Summoning Spam list. He played Tau, shot one big squad all to hell and then proceeded to utterly fail to kill anything else in the formation for good. Maybe five out of thirty stayed dead after he wiped the big blob out with some good luck and concentrated fire with 75% of the army. Narrow Maelstrom victory for him in all fairness. The demoralizing effect o not being able to put things down for good is pretty impressive. End of turn one we had a laugh about how absurd it was. I was like, imagine doing this on the regular! I've lost hours of my life to your stupid RP shenanigans! It's also worth noting that if the Monolith's teleportal stays the same in the new book, you can rally troops below 25% by sucking them up, disembarking, adding back models to bring you back over 25%.

If you were rerolling 1s for the recursion formation then you were robbing your opponent. The reroll is for the Mephit dynasty FoC, the monolith regen is for the Formation, these thigns are mutually exclusive to the models within those detachements.

 Skanktastic wrote:



If you were rerolling 1s for the recursion formation then you were robbing your opponent. The reroll is for the Mephit dynasty FoC, the monolith regen is for the Formation, these thigns are mutually exclusive to the models within those detachements.

Huh, so it is! Not a huge deal, we were under the impression that it was a sticky warlord trait. It's cool, we've been playing it wrong for a few games then. Regardless, both rerolling ones, and the monolith really do add up to a major pain in the backside, even if taken separately. It did seem awfully strong.

Don't beat yourself up to much, I was posting in the tactics thread about doing the same thing, just yesterday.

Looks good at first though, huh? The whole cheaty thing with adding back guys to prevent further fallback is just rude. There's a lot to like about the Mephrit stuff,if it's any indicator I think Necrons will be a good codex even if the egregious stuff is nerfed a bit. I can claim ignorance anyway, I've never played them before Tuesday! I did also take a Tomb Spyder thinking it could just produce Scarabs. Oh well, it ate some guys and fixed a hull point at least!

 Ghaz wrote:

Relapse wrote:

changemod wrote:

DaKKaLAnce wrote:
so is this old news? The necron rumours have been very quiet....

Well there is that single Ancient Evil line in white dwarf if you conveniently forget that could apply to about 50% of Games Workshop's armies and Necrons haven't been universally evil in years.

Decent odds it applies, but it's far from the only thing that line could refer to.

Consider the fact it would have been just as easy to scan and post the actual Necron article, if it existed, from that issue instead of a line that most likely applies to Warhammer undead.

Where did he say it was an actual article? Plus, it has been posted in the thread already.

Let me see, someone puts that line in a thread about Necrons. Gee he must have been meaning undead.

I was just thinking, what are the chances the Crons get some kind of ignores cover mechanism? Maybe via relics or Royal Court gear? Or swapping twinlinked for Ignores Cover on the Stalkers lock on effect? That could be potentially amazing. If the Doomsday Arc had access to Ignores Cover from another unit you wouldn't need to change it's points.

Stalkers gaining ignores cover instead of twin linked would be freaking awesome!

Exactly why it's not going to happen.

So many shortfalls of our army could be shored up by simply giving Destroyers more options... pity that'll probably never happen, either.

 skoffs wrote:
Exactly why it's not going to happen.

So many shortfalls of our army could be shored up by simply giving Destroyers more options... pity that'll probably never happen, either.

If we get a plastic multi purpose kit, we will and probably something dumb like a cc varient that is super awesome in a formation you'll never take.

 Tokhuah wrote:

 Nyghoma wrote:

 Tokhuah wrote:


-Rumors of Resurrection Protocols being dropped for Feel No .

For everyone who keeps saying this.

If we were getting FnP, wouldn't it be called FnP instead of Reanimation protocols as listed under the new Mephret Dynasty command benefit and the new Monolith formation? Deathstorm and that WD just came out. They wouldn't keep coining it Reanimation if they wanted to use a generic USR. It would be +1 to FnP rolls, just like it's named FnP in every other codex and supplement.

Is this flying over everybody's head but me? Or is this just a troll?

Since you edited my post to make it seem like I was saying the opposite of what I wrote are you trolling?

Back on topic, maybe we will have a reason to play with some of the name HQ's in the new Codex. To that end, can someone give Anykr a Res Orb please?!

Ooops, it does look like I'm honing in on you. Wasn't really referring to you per se, I was just generalizing about the rumor being a "troll". Your post was just the path of least resistance.

But back on the note of speculation, if GW give the cron codex the GK treatment, I swear I'll never give them another red cent. It will be all China and torrents from there....

I tecently started playing again since 4th/5th ed., and just happened to come back a few months before the 7th edition GK codex debut. Those bastards shelved one of my favorite armies with the belligerent neutering it was subjected to. I'm close to ebaying it.

All that 'belligerent neutering' you mentioned resulted in a stronger codex that can reliably hold its own vs nearly any other army in the game, while clearing up the bull crap that was the 5th ed grey knights codex.
Don't try and pretend like it was a terrible thing.

Neronoxx wrote:
All that 'belligerent neutering' you mentioned resulted in a stronger codex that can reliably hold its own vs nearly any other army in the game, while clearing up the bull crap that was the 5th ed grey knights codex.
Don't try and pretend like it was a terrible thing.

And in the process freed up the non-marine units to be used as allies in any imperial force. (Or in the case of assassins using infiltrate to bypass setup restrictions, allies in any force.)

 Nyghoma wrote:


Ooops, it does look like I'm honing in on you. Wasn't really referring to you per se, I was just generalizing about the rumor being a "troll". Your post was just the path of least resistance.

But back on the note of speculation, if GW give the cron codex the GK treatment, I swear I'll never give them another red cent. It will be all China and torrents from there....

I tecently started playing again since 4th/5th ed., and just happened to come back a few months before the 7th edition GK codex debut. Those bastards shelved one of my favorite armies with the belligerent neutering it was subjected to. I'm close to ebaying it.

What, you don't like Codex: Dreadknight and Librarian?

Don't forget that it's an Imperial Codex as well, so it's got a billion-trillion-jillion allies. Allies Matrix, aka how even if every codex was balanced and had it's own strengths and weaknesses the game would still not be balanced.

Tell me more about this GK codex that is coming out, guys!

 skoffs wrote:
Tell me more about this GK codex that is coming out, guys!

I heard they're dividing it even further into Codex: Grey Knight Terminators and Terminator Accessories, Codex: Grey Knight Power Armour and Codex: Grey Knight Leftovers.

But in all seriousness it would be nice if we saw something. Hopefully the next batch of WD leaks will have something (if that line about Ancient Evil is referring to Necrons).

 SilverDevilfish wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
Tell me more about this GK codex that is coming out, guys!

I heard they're dividing it even further into Codex: Grey Knight Terminators and Terminator Accessories, Codex: Grey Knight Power Armour and Codex: Grey Knight Leftovers.

But in all seriousness it would be nice if we saw something. Hopefully the next batch of WD leaks will have something (if that line about Ancient Evil is referring to Necrons).

I'll be back to see everyone's disgust when the ancient evil turns out to be Smaug model relaunch . The limited ones before Christmas, the new batch of $500 booster shots any day.

 Theophony wrote:

 SilverDevilfish wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
Tell me more about this GK codex that is coming out, guys!

I heard they're dividing it even further into Codex: Grey Knight Terminators and Terminator Accessories, Codex: Grey Knight Power Armour and Codex: Grey Knight Leftovers.

But in all seriousness it would be nice if we saw something. Hopefully the next batch of WD leaks will have something (if that line about Ancient Evil is referring to Necrons).

I'll be back to see everyone's disgust when the ancient evil turns out to be Smaug model relaunch . The limited ones before Christmas, the new batch of $500 booster shots any day.

Will the reprint(?) Smaug be made of softer material and cost 85-90% of the original model?

Neronoxx wrote:
All that 'belligerent neutering' you mentioned resulted in a stronger codex that can reliably hold its own vs nearly any other army in the game, while clearing up the bull crap that was the 5th ed grey knights codex.
Don't try and pretend like it was a terrible thing.

Sorry I can't agree with you. Where I see how freeing up Imperium assets to SMs was great for some, the fact is that it threw GK army lists in disarray (hurting FOC and gear load outs). Not a big deal if you play casually, but bad for competitive play.

Inquisition/GK/OA should have stayed together in one 'dex like it was originally conceived in 3rd, and called it what it really is...Forces of the Inquisition. Call them Imperium battle brothers all you want, but they're all tools of the inquisition. You'd still be able to ally them. But that's another thread altogether.

Just saying, what is awesome about the Necrons is their distinct contrast to the rest of the armies in 40k. The way they play and their new dynamics, broke the mold when they originally launched.

The simplifying and homogenization of a codex to cater to the lowest common denominator infuriates me. GW just needs to hire a rules lawyer who has a strong handle of the English language to clarify rule dynamics (unlike myself ) and ambiguity.

/rant off

 Nyghoma wrote:
Inquisition/GK/OA should have stayed together in one 'dex like it was originally conceived in 3rd, and called it what it really is...Forces of the Inquisition. Call them Imperium battle brothers all you want, but they're all tools of the inquisition. You'd still be able to ally them. But that's another thread altogether.

Inq/GK/Assassins weren't originally conceived in the same codex in third. Just saying... Know your history if you're going to quote it.

I hate to be "that guy," but could we please keep this thread somewhat on topic? Necrons, rather than side discussions about GK.

Thanks!