Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)

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**Red Corsair**

Melcavuk wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:
That guy must be reading it wrong. Makes no sense the way he is describing it.

Currently you can take as many detachments as you fething want so why would you need a detachment to take other detachments?

I mean with my DE I can field a CAD, 3 dark artisans, 2 scalpel squadrons ......

Maybe I he is correct, but if he is it's completely different and an unecessary change to the trend. It is confusing and it's actually a huge nerf to Necrons since they will be forced into taking a none obsec tax every time they want to double up on a formation lol.

Salt

I would assume that you get X bonus for running this... lets call it super formation, and then an additional Y bonus for units within each subformation.
So every model gets X, and each subformation gets X plus their own Y.
Double the bonuses?

If so it basically makes it twice as confusing so everyone can get some awesome perk like fear probably

Nah, I am going to advise taking all these none photographically backed rumors with loads of salt. Go and recheck the last 3-4 armies rumor threads and you'll see that until someone has a book in hand with pics the rumors are all over the place wrong. I mean when was the last time some one who "skimmed" anything in a hurry even close to accurate?

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Jefffar wrote:
In Champions of Fenris they had a Formation of Formations, which this sounds similar too.

It somewhat makes fluff sense, the machine folk having a number of preprogrammed responses to various tactical realities and building their army out of that.

From a game perspective, if they adopt this across all armies in place of the FOC system, we have an end to spam lists.

DE have carnival of pain. BIG difference is those formations have a set number of formations you take. That's, you know, the idea of a formation. It's a fixed thing, not a build a bear.

The way this guy is describing it makes zero sense. The first part is clearly a detachment since it lists units you can take in varying numbers. He wouldn't be the first person to not understand the difference between a detachment and a formation.

**Requizen**

Red Corsair wrote:

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Jefffar wrote:
In Champions of Fenris they had a Formation of Formations, which this sounds similar too.

It somewhat makes fluff sense, the machine folk having a number of preprogrammed responses to various tactical realities and building their army out of that.

From a game perspective, if they adopt this across all armies in place of the FOC system, we have an end to spam lists.

DE have carnival of pain. BIG difference is those formations have a set number of formations you take. That's, you know, the idea of a formation. It's a fixed thing, not a build a bear.

The way this guy is describing it makes zero sense. The first part is clearly a detachment since it lists units you can take in varying numbers. He wouldn't be the first person to not understand the difference between a detachment and a formation.

If the rumor is accurate, the way I'm imagining it written out is something like:

Decurion Formation
1 Overlord (or character)
2-8 Warriors
1-4 Immortals
1-3 Tomb Blades
0-2 Lychguards
0-3 Monoliths

Up to 10 of the following:
0+ Destroyer Formation
0+ C'Tan formation
0+ "Tank" Formation
0+ "Superheavy" Formation
0+ Canoptek Formation
0+ Triarch Formation
0+ Deathmark Formation
0+ Flayed One Formation
0+ Doom Scythe Formation

Which isn't that hard to understand.

**Waaghboss Grobnub**

Why dont we just wait untill the book is out? There will probably be nothing awesome.
All your favourite units WILL suck in comparison with the older codex.
This is how it has been ever since GW started with the hardcover codexes.
I'd advice to start a big ffin fire so you can melt your crons into one of the last few comptetitive armies out there.
It will not be much longer untill GW has broken down every army into a lesser form of what it used to be
.

**changemod**

Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:
Why dont we just wait untill the book is out? There will probably be nothing awesome.
All your favourite units WILL suck in comparison with the older codex.
This is how it has been ever since GW started with the hardcover codexes.
I'd advice to start a big ffin fire so you can melt your crons into one of the last few comptetitive armies out there.
It will not be much longer untill GW has broken down every army into a lesser form of what it used to be
.

And I think you just won the pessimism award.

Heck, Codex isn't even out yet and we got some awesome stuff from the Necron supplement section of Exterminatus.

**MoonlightSonata**

Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:
Why dont we just wait untill the book is out? There will probably be nothing awesome.
All your favourite units WILL suck in comparison with the older codex.
This is how it has been ever since GW started with the hardcover codexes.
I'd advice to start a big ffin fire so you can melt your crons into one of the last few comptetitive armies out there.
It will not be much longer untill GW has broken down every army into a lesser form of what it used to be
.

I like you.

**ClockworkZion**

I like the sound of an optional Formation to run your army out of instead of a CAD as long at the rules are okay and it's got enough flexibility to keep from locking you into a monobuild when run as a primary detachment (or as your only detachment) I could get behind that.

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Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:
Why dont we just wait untill the book is out? There will probably be nothing awesome.
All your favourite units WILL suck in comparison with the older codex.
This is how it has been ever since GW started with the hardcover codexes.
I'd advice to start a big ffin fire so you can melt your crons into one of the last few comptetitive armies out there.
It will not be much longer untill GW has broken down every army into a lesser form of what it used to be
.

The only armies that could be melted down that way are Sisters and the all metal Guard armies. Plastic is a lot more likely to burn than melt at that temperature.

And honestly I doubt everyone's favorite units will suck as some of the ones I like (Tomb Blades and Monoliths for instance) already do.

Yes, we can be fairly certain the nerf hammer is coming, but it'll just put Necrons on a power ranking with the 7th Ed books we've seen so far which is an improvement for the game instead of it being an arms race to see which army gets to be OP next.

**Mr Morden**

Sooo looking at the pics is GW going to unit cards

that would be cool.

**ImAGeek**

Mr Morden wrote:
Sooo looking at the pics is GW going to unit cards that would be cool.

Where did you get that from the pics..? The only ones are in the super limited edition version of the codex.

**wuestenfux**

How far are we away from the codex release?
Almost two weeks?

**ImAGeek**

A week Saturday I guess?

**Melcavuk**

Yup pre-orders friday with release the Saturday of the following week.

**Requizen**

Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:
Why dont we just wait untill the book is out? There will probably be nothing awesome.
All your favourite units WILL suck in comparison with the older codex.
This is how it has been ever since GW started with the hardcover codexes.
I'd advice to start a big ffin fire so you can melt your crons into one of the last few comptetitive armies out there.
It will not be much longer untill GW has broken down every army into a lesser form of what it used to be
.

How mad are you?

**changemod**

Melcavuk wrote:
Yup pre-orders friday with release the Saturday of the following week.

...Aren't releases normally on Fridays? Certainly that's when you can pick up online orders at my local GW.

**ImAGeek**

They're usually Saturday's I think. I guess you can just get them then because they're ready early?

**Melcavuk**

I dunno honestly, pre-orders go up at 7:15pmish these days so it'd make sense if the previous weeks preorders were then released at that time, however my GW closes at 5pm on Friday and new releases are available to pickup or buy on Saturday

**ImAGeek**

Melcavuk wrote:
I dunno honestly, pre-orders go up at 7:15pmish these days so it'd make sense if the previous weeks preorders were then released at that time, however my GW closes at 5pm on Friday and new releases are available to pickup or buy on Saturday

Yeah that's what I was thinking. Preorders are late Friday so release is late the following Friday, which is effectively Saturday because most places are closed then.

**changemod**

I now have no idea if I should preorder the copy to be delivered to my home or the store. Store usually gives a reliable pickup time... But I usually just order, not pre-order and I can't rely on weekend delivery of most packages generally.

**ImAGeek**

changemod wrote:
I now have no idea if I should preorder the copy to be delivered to my home or the store. Store usually gives a reliable pickup time... But I usually just order, not pre-order and I can't rely on weekend delivery of most packages generally.

If you Pre Order you won't get it til the Monday if you order it to your house.

**changemod**

ImAGeek wrote:
changemod wrote:
I now have no idea if I should preorder the copy to be delivered to my home or the store. Store usually gives a reliable pickup time... But I usually just order, not pre-order and I can't rely on weekend delivery of most packages generally.

If you Pre Order you won't get it til the Monday if you order it to your house.

But am I wasting my time going to the store on Friday because they'll have it but it's not release time yet?

(I know their shipment is Thursdays, they have all the new stock piled up in a corner on thursday mornings as they work on shifting it.)

**ImAGeek**

changemod wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
changemod wrote:
I now have no idea if I should preorder the copy to be delivered to my home or the store. Store usually gives a reliable pickup time... But I usually just order, not pre-order and I can't rely on weekend delivery of most packages generally.

If you Pre Order you won't get it til the Monday if you order it to your house.

But am I wasting my time going to the store on Friday because they'll have it but it's not release time yet?

(I know their shipment is Thursdays, they have all the new stock piled up in a corner on thursday mornings as they work on shifting it.)

But I thought you already said you can pick it up at your GW on the Friday? And if you don't want to risk it, go Saturday? Still earlier than Monday

**changemod**

ImAGeek wrote:
changemod wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
changemod wrote:
I now have no idea if I should preorder the copy to be delivered to my home or the store. Store usually gives a reliable pickup time... But I usually just order, not pre-order and I can't rely on weekend delivery of most packages generally.

If you Pre Order you won't get it til the Monday if you order it to your house.

But am I wasting my time going to the store on Friday because they'll have it but it's not release time yet?

(I know their shipment is Thursdays, they have all the new stock piled up in a corner on thursday mornings as they work on shifting it.)

But I thought you already said you can pick it up at your GW on the Friday? And if you don't want to risk it, go Saturday? Still earlier than Monday

I can pick up regular orders on fridays at any rate.

But yeah, better plan: I've dug up their phone number and can just ask first thing in the morning if they have it in.

**ImAGeek**

Good idea

what you could do, is preorder from an online retailer, I dunno if maybe they ship for the release date as opposed to on the release date, and you save some money...

**Requizen**

ImAGeek wrote:
Good idea what you could do, is preorder from an online retailer, I dunno if maybe they ship for the release date as opposed to on the release date, and you save some money...

When the BA codex came out, I think I remember some people getting their shipped a couple days early too.

**Byte**

What's the rumored preorder date?

**skybax**

Anpu-adom wrote:

Started Necrons 4 years ago... and I seriously didn't have problems getting they heads off cleanly. And I had zero hobby experience at that point.

Master, teach me! How do you do that? I do clean the heads, but it's a long and annoying process.

Warhams-77 wrote:
From Archibald_TK on Warseer

Re: Necron Rumours Mk.II

EDIT-
Apparently Necrons are not repackaged? So the same models may have different bases depending if they come from individual boxes or the new battleforce?

Link: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403299-Necron-Rumours-Mk-II&p=7362138&viewfull=1#post7362138

So... warriors on 32 mm bases won't be tournament legal, am I right?

**ImAGeek**

Are BA on 32mm illegal at tournaments?

From a rules perspective the rule is; use whichever bases came supplied, or the base size of a similar unit, so I don't see why they wouldnt be tournament legal.

**skybax**

ImAGeek wrote:

use whichever bases came supplied, or the base size of a similar unit

I didn't know that! Good news.

**ImAGeek**

I'm pretty sure that's the rule. Someone else will have to corroborate, but it means if you have the old termies on 25mm, you can leave them on that because that's what they came with, or rebase to 40mm to match newer termites, for example.

**Kangodo**

Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:
Why dont we just wait untill the book is out? There will probably be nothing awesome.
All your favourite units WILL suck in comparison with the older codex.
This is how it has been ever since GW started with the hardcover codexes.
I'd advice to start a big ffin fire so you can melt your crons into one of the last few comptetitive armies out there.
It will not be much longer untill GW has broken down every army into a lesser form of what it used to be

Because we have information now and we like to speculate.
How can there be nothing awesome? Exterminatus kinda assured me of awesome stuff.
My favourite units are Tomb Blades, Lychguard/Praetorians, Special Characters and Flayed Ones. Please tell me how they could suck compared to what we have now?

Aah yes, because Blood Angels are in such a crappy state compared to what they used to be.
Please tell that to my Codex where nearly every unit is good. Especially compared to the old one, where nearly every unit was bad.

**Requizen**

Via Warseer:

A few more info after a better reading. And keep in mind I translate things so in the English version of the WD things may sound different, so please don't go berserk if after I say "Dance of Death" it's in reality Death Dance, Deadly Dance, Mortal Tango or Fatal Dubsteb in your WD.

Regarding the Decurion, I find the way it works for some of these formations not that clear. Formations are presented in boxes linked by lines. You can take 1 to 10 of the optional formations, and since there are only 9 total it's obvious you can take some more than one. But the way it's presented I'm actually wondering if you can take anything you want multiple time, or only the first three ones (which are the Destroyers, Praetorian and the Canoptek one). In a way it makes sense to not spam things like Trans Ctans or Obelisk, but in another it makes no sense to be limited to a single Deathmark unit yet spam things like Praetorians... WD, why you no clear?

Also WD refers to the Decurion itself as giving bonuses to the units composing it in addition to what the Formations do, but I never managed to find these bonuses listed anywhere.

Some precisions:
- I previously said the Canoptek formation includes 1 Spyder, but later in a pic it shows said formation with 1 UNIT of Spyders. So I don't know which page is right.
- I said the Praetorian formation included a Stalker, but actually after rereading it it's an UNIT of Stalkers.
- Heavy Destroyers are indeed their one unit now.
- Deathmarks and Flayed are indeed only 1 unit.
- Dommscythes are 2 to 4.
- Royal court MUST include at least one Lord and one Cryptek.
- Obyron can replace a Lord.
- Illuminator and Orikan can replace a Cryptek.

Regarding the CTans, WD seems to really make a difference between Shards of the Deceiver, Nightbringer, Trans CTan and the Vault. This is how their power work:
- During the shooting phase, chose an enemy unit.
- Roll a D6 or pick a card to determine the attack it suffers.
- The randomness represents the CTan basically doing whatever he wants when released on a battlefield.
- Each attack comes in 2 Flavors.
- The first one, supposedly already devastating, is used by the two shards and the Trans CTan.
- The second one, that appears to be the powerful Apocalypse effect, is for the Vault.

A bit worried for C'Tans now....