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2015/01/19 11:49:43
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
It's a bit of a pain, but doable, using a very fine pair of clippers and a knife... i'd do anything for new legs though
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2015/01/19 11:51:10
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
changemod wrote: They'd have frontloaded with the good one if they had multiple kits, I'd have figured.
As I've mentioned before though: If they are reboxing warriors with larger bases, they should really redo the sprue to attach the heads by the chin rather than the cheeks. I'm not even talking an actual resculpt here, just to address that the heads are far too difficult to detach neatly.
They won't though. More effort to retool the sprue (and quite a bit of money to make a whole new mould just to change the way the head connects. They don't really recut sprues now, so they'd only do it if they resculpted the Warriors) than to put a different bag of bases in the box.
I'm all for new Warriors but I doubt it'll happen.
2015/01/19 11:56:07
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
Br00tal_Mclovin wrote: It's a bit of a pain, but doable, using a very fine pair of clippers and a knife... i'd do anything for new legs though
That's the thing though: What is the first thing a new to the hobby Necron player is going to try to build and paint?
Yeah you'd think its common sense to redo them...but THIS. IS. GW! It could be the only new kit we get, i wouldn't care
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"It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war."
2015/01/19 12:11:01
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
angelofvengeance wrote: To be fair, those fine detail clippers gw sell will likely give a good clean snip off the sprue.
True but most new players will have standard ones, which makes it more annoying. I just hate the damn squatting pose :(
"It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war."
2015/01/19 13:02:26
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
angelofvengeance wrote: To be fair, those fine detail clippers gw sell will likely give a good clean snip off the sprue.
True but most new players will have standard ones, which makes it more annoying. I just hate the damn squatting pose :(
Not if they get started at a GW store.... then they will have the whole kit.
Started Necrons 4 years ago... and I seriously didn't have problems getting they heads off cleanly. And I had zero hobby experience at that point.
As for legs... they are pretty easy to cut and re-position. The joints in the legs do a good job hiding where you do the cuts, it just takes practice.
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2015/01/19 13:22:49
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
angelofvengeance wrote: To be fair, those fine detail clippers gw sell will likely give a good clean snip off the sprue.
True but most new players will have standard ones, which makes it more annoying. I just hate the damn squatting pose :(
Not if they get started at a GW store.... then they will have the whole kit.
Started Necrons 4 years ago... and I seriously didn't have problems getting they heads off cleanly. And I had zero hobby experience at that point.
As for legs... they are pretty easy to cut and re-position. The joints in the legs do a good job hiding where you do the cuts, it just takes practice.
Though... I'd love a new warrior sculpt.
Ahh yes, totally forgot they redid their tools, my bad looks like they would do the job
"It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war."
2015/01/19 13:23:46
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
angelofvengeance wrote: To be fair, those fine detail clippers gw sell will likely give a good clean snip off the sprue.
True but most new players will have standard ones, which makes it more annoying. I just hate the damn squatting pose :(
Not if they get started at a GW store.... then they will have the whole kit.
Started Necrons 4 years ago... and I seriously didn't have problems getting they heads off cleanly. And I had zero hobby experience at that point.
As for legs... they are pretty easy to cut and re-position. The joints in the legs do a good job hiding where you do the cuts, it just takes practice.
Though... I'd love a new warrior sculpt.
I don't want to cut the legs of all my basic troops to get them to look half decent though.
That's why I use Immortals as my troops
2015/01/19 14:00:00
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
My Project Blog: Necrons, Orks, Sisters, Blood Angels, and X-Wing "
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2015/01/19 14:36:44
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
Re: Necron Rumours Mk.II
Necrons have a whole new way to build an army! The Decurion. It's both opening a lot of options and restrictive at the same time, as weird as it sounds. You can use it instead of normal FoC if you want. also keep in mind that it's the usual me reading the WD super fast when I have the time so there may be mistakes:
You basically can chose a base formation that includes all of your basic units.
It must contain: - 1 Overlord (or Zandrek, Anraky, Trazyn or a Barge), 2 units of Warriors, 1 of Immortal and 1 of Tomb Blades.
You lose Objectives Secured, Overlord and all units from this formation within 12" reroll 1 to Protocols, and two fluffy but not usually useful rules: Move through Cover and Relentless (in case you really want to charge with your Warriors/Immortals after shooting =/, which is funny because even in the WD they realize it's the only use).
You can add 6 units of Warriors, 3 of Immortals, 2 Lychguards, 2 Tomb Blades if I remember correctly and 3 Monoliths.
No reroll on the Warlord table for it, probably because it's not really a normal detachment.
Once done you can add a Royal court formation: 1 Overlord (same as previously except it can be the Stormlord now), up to 3 Cryptek and up to 3 Lords.
Then, you can add up to 10 of the available formations, which are all about a theme, in any number if I've read it right, (which I'll be able to confirm later today) so you can go full Destroyer if you want for example:
- One is 1 Destroyer Lord, 3 units of Destroyer, and can add 1 unit of Heavy Destroyers (Ohhhhhhhhh, they are no longer Destroyer upgrades?).
- One allow you to add a Nightbringer Shard, Deceiver Shard, ACtan or Vault. (Ohhhhhhhh, they refer to the shards by their name!)
- One is 2 Annihilation Barge and a Doomsday Ark
- I think there is one with an Obelisk and 2 Monoliths.
- One is 1 Spyder, 1 unit of Wraiths, 1 of Scarabs
- 1 Stalker and 2 Praetorians
- 1 unit of Deathmarks (yup, just 1 if I remember right)
- 1 unit of Flayed Ones
- One is up to 4 Doom Scythes (remember folks, I go from memory so I may be messing up numbers)
And so on, I have no idea if these formations can be taken outside of the Decurion, as I didn't have enough time to read in detail. Also I'm pretty sure that there are no Night Scythes and Ghost Arks formations, thus they shall still be dedicated transports I suppose.
Also I do not expect anything else for the Necrons as the end of the WD refer for the following week to "Dance of Death".
EDIT-
Apparently Necrons are not repackaged? So the same models may have different bases depending if they come from individual boxes or the new battleforce?
So barring nerfs to the Annihiliation Barge, they can now be fielded in greater numbers than ever before?
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2015/01/19 15:16:12
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
The tax on some of those items in that special detachment is brutal. Want a Triarch Stalker? Take 400 points of praetorians. Whilst obviously there will be the standard CaD to take instead this just seems rather unwielding compared to say... the Archangel FoC for BA
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2015/01/19 15:30:05
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
angelofvengeance wrote: To be fair, those fine detail clippers gw sell will likely give a good clean snip off the sprue.
True but most new players will have standard ones, which makes it more annoying. I just hate the damn squatting pose :(
Not if they get started at a GW store.... then they will have the whole kit.
Started Necrons 4 years ago... and I seriously didn't have problems getting they heads off cleanly. And I had zero hobby experience at that point.
As for legs... they are pretty easy to cut and re-position. The joints in the legs do a good job hiding where you do the cuts, it just takes practice.
Though... I'd love a new warrior sculpt.
I don't want to cut the legs of all my basic troops to get them to look half decent though.
That's why I use Immortals as my troops
Same the only reason i have warriors is because i got a battleforce for £40 but i really cba to cut them all up... i could probably rebuilt my army and fully paint it before i finish converting them...
"It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war."
2015/01/19 15:39:30
Subject: Re:Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
Re: Necron Rumours Mk.II
Necrons have a whole new way to build an army! The Decurion. It's both opening a lot of options and restrictive at the same time, as weird as it sounds. You can use it instead of normal FoC if you want. also keep in mind that it's the usual me reading the WD super fast when I have the time so there may be mistakes:
You basically can chose a base formation that includes all of your basic units.
It must contain: - 1 Overlord (or Zandrek, Anraky, Trazyn or a Barge), 2 units of Warriors, 1 of Immortal and 1 of Tomb Blades.
You lose Objectives Secured, Overlord and all units from this formation within 12" reroll 1 to Protocols, and two fluffy but not usually useful rules: Move through Cover and Relentless (in case you really want to charge with your Warriors/Immortals after shooting =/, which is funny because even in the WD they realize it's the only use).
You can add 6 units of Warriors, 3 of Immortals, 2 Lychguards, 2 Tomb Blades if I remember correctly and 3 Monoliths.
No reroll on the Warlord table for it, probably because it's not really a normal detachment.
Once done you can add a Royal court formation: 1 Overlord (same as previously except it can be the Stormlord now), up to 3 Cryptek and up to 3 Lords.
Then, you can add up to 10 of the available formations, which are all about a theme, in any number if I've read it right, (which I'll be able to confirm later today) so you can go full Destroyer if you want for example:
- One is 1 Destroyer Lord, 3 units of Destroyer, and can add 1 unit of Heavy Destroyers (Ohhhhhhhhh, they are no longer Destroyer upgrades?).
- One allow you to add a Nightbringer Shard, Deceiver Shard, ACtan or Vault. (Ohhhhhhhh, they refer to the shards by their name!)
- One is 2 Annihilation Barge and a Doomsday Ark
- I think there is one with an Obelisk and 2 Monoliths.
- One is 1 Spyder, 1 unit of Wraiths, 1 of Scarabs
- 1 Stalker and 2 Praetorians
- 1 unit of Deathmarks (yup, just 1 if I remember right)
- 1 unit of Flayed Ones
- One is up to 4 Doom Scythes (remember folks, I go from memory so I may be messing up numbers)
And so on, I have no idea if these formations can be taken outside of the Decurion, as I didn't have enough time to read in detail. Also I'm pretty sure that there are no Night Scythes and Ghost Arks formations, thus they shall still be dedicated transports I suppose.
Also I do not expect anything else for the Necrons as the end of the WD refer for the following week to "Dance of Death".
EDIT-
Apparently Necrons are not repackaged? So the same models may have different bases depending if they come from individual boxes or the new battleforce?
Re: Necron Rumours Mk.II
Necrons have a whole new way to build an army! The Decurion. It's both opening a lot of options and restrictive at the same time, as weird as it sounds. You can use it instead of normal FoC if you want. also keep in mind that it's the usual me reading the WD super fast when I have the time so there may be mistakes:
You basically can chose a base formation that includes all of your basic units.
It must contain: - 1 Overlord (or Zandrek, Anraky, Trazyn or a Barge), 2 units of Warriors, 1 of Immortal and 1 of Tomb Blades.
You lose Objectives Secured, Overlord and all units from this formation within 12" reroll 1 to Protocols, and two fluffy but not usually useful rules: Move through Cover and Relentless (in case you really want to charge with your Warriors/Immortals after shooting =/, which is funny because even in the WD they realize it's the only use).
You can add 6 units of Warriors, 3 of Immortals, 2 Lychguards, 2 Tomb Blades if I remember correctly and 3 Monoliths.
No reroll on the Warlord table for it, probably because it's not really a normal detachment.
Once done you can add a Royal court formation: 1 Overlord (same as previously except it can be the Stormlord now), up to 3 Cryptek and up to 3 Lords.
Then, you can add up to 10 of the available formations, which are all about a theme, in any number if I've read it right, (which I'll be able to confirm later today) so you can go full Destroyer if you want for example:
- One is 1 Destroyer Lord, 3 units of Destroyer, and can add 1 unit of Heavy Destroyers (Ohhhhhhhhh, they are no longer Destroyer upgrades?).
- One allow you to add a Nightbringer Shard, Deceiver Shard, ACtan or Vault. (Ohhhhhhhh, they refer to the shards by their name!)
- One is 2 Annihilation Barge and a Doomsday Ark
- I think there is one with an Obelisk and 2 Monoliths.
- One is 1 Spyder, 1 unit of Wraiths, 1 of Scarabs
- 1 Stalker and 2 Praetorians
- 1 unit of Deathmarks (yup, just 1 if I remember right)
- 1 unit of Flayed Ones
- One is up to 4 Doom Scythes (remember folks, I go from memory so I may be messing up numbers)
And so on, I have no idea if these formations can be taken outside of the Decurion, as I didn't have enough time to read in detail. Also I'm pretty sure that there are no Night Scythes and Ghost Arks formations, thus they shall still be dedicated transports I suppose.
Also I do not expect anything else for the Necrons as the end of the WD refer for the following week to "Dance of Death".
EDIT-
Apparently Necrons are not repackaged? So the same models may have different bases depending if they come from individual boxes or the new battleforce?
That is awesome and accurate.
Seems quite difficult though, I'm already panicking when I have to think about implementing it in BattleScribe.
I don't really see the point in it? It just seems like a weirdly convoluted way to build an army... I mean I see the point in picking it as there are benefits but I don't see why it's included, or what it adds to the game... Am I missing something?
2015/01/19 15:48:33
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
oh man, that is going to be a NIGHTMARE to try to figure out how to work into Battlescribe!
ImAGeek wrote: I don't really see the point in it? It just seems like a weirdly convoluted way to build an army... I mean I see the point in picking it as there are benefits but I don't see why it's included, or what it adds to the game... Am I missing something?
It could be that these Decurion formations will all have their own special rules that will accompany them which will only affect the units contained. If so, that could probably have something to do with those "Dynasty Tactics" rumors we'd been getting from a while back.
Though if Deathmarks have been limited to one unit for their formation, assuming they're good (hence the limitation)... and then taking a look at Flayed Ones and seeing that THEY have also been limited to just one unit for their formation... hmm...
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2015/01/19 15:54:40
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
Detachments within detachments, for someone that works with databases all day this is actually quite nice
It looks like C'Tan are going to be quite changed, which I'm extremely excited for.
Also, if Gauss get the rumored changes (To-hits of 6 are double Strength), then Stalkers immediately become more powerful as Gauss don't really have reliable ways to get twin linked.
All in all - more rumors please.
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skoffs wrote: oh man, that is going to be a NIGHTMARE to try to figure out how to work into Battlescribe!
ImAGeek wrote: I don't really see the point in it? It just seems like a weirdly convoluted way to build an army... I mean I see the point in picking it as there are benefits but I don't see why it's included, or what it adds to the game... Am I missing something?
It could be that these Decurion formations will all have their own special rules that will accompany them which will only affect the units contained. If so, that could probably have something to do with those "Dynasty Tactics" rumors we'd been getting from a while back.
Though if Deathmarks have been limited to one unit for their formation, assuming they're good (hence the limitation)... and then taking a look at Flayed Ones and seeing that THEY have also been limited to just one unit for their formation... hmm...
It might also be 1+ per "block", so 1+ Deathmarks or 1+ Flayed ones.
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2015/01/19 17:09:38
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
Yes this looks to have a "core" formation, with access to adding certain units, aswell as adding certain formations.
Essentially the breakdown seems to be:
What every tombworld has (Overlord, Immortals, Warriors, Tombblades (mounted warriors) (CORE FORMATION)
With options to take more of the above. (OPTIONAL UNITS)
And then adding "Specialised" formations to personalise the tomb world. (OPTIONAL FORMATIONS)
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2015/01/19 17:27:01
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
That guy must be reading it wrong. Makes no sense the way he is describing it.
Currently you can take as many detachments as you fething want so why would you need a detachment to take other detachments?
I mean with my DE I can field a CAD, 3 dark artisans, 2 scalpel squadrons ......
Maybe I he is correct, but if he is it's completely different and an unecessary change to the trend. It is confusing and it's actually a huge nerf to Necrons since they will be forced into taking a none obsec tax every time they want to double up on a formation lol.
Red Corsair wrote: That guy must be reading it wrong. Makes no sense the way he is describing it.
Currently you can take as many detachments as you fething want so why would you need a detachment to take other detachments?
I mean with my DE I can field a CAD, 3 dark artisans, 2 scalpel squadrons ......
Maybe I he is correct, but if he is it's completely different and an unecessary change to the trend. It is confusing and it's actually a huge nerf to Necrons since they will be forced into taking a none obsec tax every time they want to double up on a formation lol.
Salt
I would assume that you get X bonus for running this... lets call it super formation, and then an additional Y bonus for units within each subformation.
So every model gets X, and each subformation gets X plus their own Y.
Double the bonuses?
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2015/01/19 17:32:53
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
In Champions of Fenris they had a Formation of Formations, which this sounds similar too.
It somewhat makes fluff sense, the machine folk having a number of preprogrammed responses to various tactical realities and building their army out of that.
From a game perspective, if they adopt this across all armies in place of the FOC system, we have an end to spam lists.
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2015/01/19 17:36:48
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
Requizen wrote: Also, if Gauss get the rumored changes (To-hits of 6 are double Strength), then Stalkers immediately become more powerful as Gauss don't really have reliable ways to get twin linked.
I can't see this happening, it's just weird. A modification of Gauss and Tesla perhaps, but this fundamentally changes how Gauss has worked for... 2 or 3 past editions? It'd be as sudden and weird a change as would say, making IG orders work like SM chapter tactics, say. Besides, can you imagine what it would do to flyers? It would turn all Necron armies into a no-fly zone!
It could be the only new kit we get, i wouldn't care 
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