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Will the Warriors be on 32mm bases?

They certainly look like it on the photos.

That's not very important, nobody expects you to rebase fully painted models and you can always stick new ones on whatever base size the rest of your army is already at for the sake of consistency and pretend they're older if your opponent decides to be an ass about it.

I know that when I get the new Overlord he's going straight onto either a 25 or a 40, fit dependent. Hell if I'm having a solitary model in my entire army on a medium base when everyone else is on small or large.

 godswildcard wrote:
That's cool. Now you don't even have to take a Lord of War to run the incredibly OP Transcendant C'Tan.

It's just an 'auxiliary' detachment.

Unless they account for that and it somehow still takes up a LoW slot, that's just going to be stupid.

'Want a game?'
'Sure, but no LoWs'
'No problem!' (Places Transcendant C'Tan)
'Yeah, on second thought, I'm good...'

Or am I missing something? Is it gonna take a nerf bat to the face?

My guess would be, TC'Tan would be a LoW choice if you include him as part of a CAD (assuming it still exists), but counts as Auxilliary Detachment, if you use this building-block-approach.

What "role" it is classified as sorta depends on where it enters the army-building-process (TM! ). It' seems like "FOC-switching" of units making a come-back in a particularly obscure and round-about way, but I probably would start to once again let go of the idea that "unit X" is always strictly tied to "army-organisation-slot-Y". Units might once again "enter" armies in different roles.

It looks like they're doing a complete overhaul of all the Escalation Necron units, so yes: The Tran C'tan will have a different stat set than before.

That said, a game with a no Superheavies restriction is still a game with a no Superheavies restriction.

I have two Triarch Stalkers but unless Triarch Praetorians get a major rework and the Judicator Battalion get some really impressive rules I don't see myself including them in any Decurion I put together.

I always liked Tomb Blades and never got any Wraiths so this isn't a major bother for me. I'm looking forward to seeing if all these mini-Formations have special rules or not.

changemod wrote:
It looks like they're doing a complete overhaul of all the Escalation Necron units, so yes: The Tran C'tan will have a different stat set than before.

That said, a game with a no Superheavies restriction is still a game with a no Superheavies restriction.

True. But a "no-LoW"-game isn't necessarily a "no-Superheavies"-game (e.g. Imperial Knights). The two are not synonymous.

Wonderwolf wrote:

changemod wrote:
It looks like they're doing a complete overhaul of all the Escalation Necron units, so yes: The Tran C'tan will have a different stat set than before.

That said, a game with a no Superheavies restriction is still a game with a no Superheavies restriction.

True. But a "no-LoW"-game isn't necessarily a "no-Superheavies"-game (e.g. Imperial Knights). The two are not synonymous.

Makes more sense to make it no Superheavies... Unless you think Logan Grimnar, Dante and Ghazkhul are game breaking?

MaxT wrote:
The important question is whether you can continue to use a CAD or not.

Edit: or if you can use it, but you're giving up so many benefits it's a redundant option.

Considering the rulebook says you can always use a CAD and the Mephrit Dynasty came out around a month ago so I'd say it's pretty likely you can continue to use standard detachments.

Granted the benefits of the mini detachments or a rebalancing of the units might make it pointless but you can still run the list the way you used to. Outside of possible issues with the Crypteks.

I really do not understand that chart at all...

MaxT wrote:
They certainly look like it on the photos.

Cool. Just wondering because I recently purchased a few boxes of Necron Warriors and am waiting to assemble them because I wanted to make sure they were going to be on 32mm bases.

 ae1989 wrote:

MaxT wrote:
They certainly look like it on the photos.

Cool. Just wondering because I recently purchased a few boxes of Necron Warriors and am waiting to assemble them because I wanted to make sure they were going to be on 32mm bases.

I think basically just base them on whatever at this point, within reason. Who caressss, GW certainly don't.

So going by points costs and unit sizes from the old codex (I'm sure there will be adjustments) you can get a minimum Reclaimation Legion (1xOL,5xImmortals,2x5Warriors,1xTB) and squeeze in 2x Trancendent C'tan into an 1850pt list.

And that is just terrifying.

Now saying that, all the C'tan could be getting a reworking especially given these new powers of the C'tan cards.

 Wilson wrote:
I really do not understand that chart at all...

The chart has really helped me understand it. I'm probably a visual learner. Basically, the box in the top left is Compulsary. And then, on top of that, you can take a Royal Court formation, and up to ten of the formations below in any combination.

I can't believe I'm writing up a fix suggestion before the codex is even out, but..

Command detachment: 1 Overlord or special character, 0-5 Lords, 0-5 Crypteks, 0-2 Lychguard units.

Core Detachment 1: 2-8 Warriors, 0-3 Tomb Blades, 0-3 Monoliths.

Core Detachment 2: 2-4 Immortals, 0-3 Deathmarks.

Destroyer Formation: Change to 1 Destroyer Lord, 1-3 Destroyers, 0-2 Heavy Destroyers.

Doom Scythe unit: 1-4 instead of 2-4.

Artillery unit: Change to 1-2 Annihilation Barges, 0-1 Doomsday Ark.

Would work better. Everything I didn't poke at seems okay already.

So are those boxes formations as such, or can you pick and choose?

In other words to take the Wraiths do you also have to take the other canoptek units, or could you just take the Wraiths without them.

Or another example would be the Royal Court, do you have to take all of those Lords?

The Royal Court one isn't so much of an issue as it's obviously optional but otherwise is it me or does this mean we will see less Wraiths in games (personally not a bad thing for me)?

Or am I just a numpty that has got way too used to using the FOC.

Well we don't know what changes there's been to different units and stuff yet.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Well we don't know what changes there's been to different units and stuff yet.

My suggested tweaks aren't about balance so much as about the twin concerns of list variety within the Decurion toolbox and not having formations that force the player to buy extra models.

changemod wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Well we don't know what changes there's been to different units and stuff yet.

My suggested tweaks aren't about balance so much as about the twin concerns of list variety within the Decurion toolbox and not having formations that force the player to buy extra models.

No fair enough, but (and I'm reaching here, as its GW...) the limits might be like they are for balance reasons...

It does sound crazy written out..

 ImAGeek wrote:

changemod wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Well we don't know what changes there's been to different units and stuff yet.

My suggested tweaks aren't about balance so much as about the twin concerns of list variety within the Decurion toolbox and not having formations that force the player to buy extra models.

No fair enough, but (and I'm reaching here, as its GW...) the limits might be like they are for balance reasons...

It does sound crazy written out..

What balance is there to not being allowed to field your Doom Scythe until you buy a second one? Or to needing to field a very large Destroyer Cult if at all? Or it being 100% mandatory to have a tomb blade unit at all times or you can't field a Decurion Army?

changemod wrote:


What balance is there to not being allowed to field your Doom Scythe until you buy a second one?

Assuming (!) these are Formations with unique benefits on their own, two Doom Scythe minimum would seem reasonable. Why else would anyone take a single Doom Scythe (CAD? Unbound?) instead of this Doom Scythe-Formation, if the latter gives you something extra?


Indeed, benefits could depend on there being two... similar to the "all units from this formation come in on one reserve roll" or similar things we've seen, which would be pointless with "only one".

changemod wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

changemod wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Well we don't know what changes there's been to different units and stuff yet.

My suggested tweaks aren't about balance so much as about the twin concerns of list variety within the Decurion toolbox and not having formations that force the player to buy extra models.

No fair enough, but (and I'm reaching here, as its GW...) the limits might be like they are for balance reasons...

It does sound crazy written out..

What balance is there to not being allowed to field your Doom Scythe until you buy a second one? Or to needing to field a very large Destroyer Cult if at all? Or it being 100% mandatory to have a tomb blade unit at all times or you can't field a Decurion Army?

I'm just guessing here, but I think it looks more like the top two boxes are FOC related and the light colored boxes below the "1-10 per Reclamation Legion" are formations.

Regardless I think the actual codex will shed some light on this because I'm sure there is more going on that we just don't know about yet.

It is going to continue to get more confusing with special rules. Currently Detachment command benefits never apply to formations, as they're seperate:

Go unbound, only have special rules on the units.
Take a detachment, have special rules on the units plus command benefits
Take a formation, have special rules on the units plus formation benefits

But now:

Take a Decurion Detachment, have special rules on the units plus command benefits of the detachment plus each formation gets formation benefits for itself also.

Not exactly simple lol.

We have a lot of pics from the next WD showing Necrons release here:

http://forofreakfactory.mforos.com/1035375/11577037-portada-y-lider-del-codex-necron-un-monton-de-fotos-exclusivas-del-freak-factory-a-dia-21/#106115551

Enjoy it!

I dont understand that codex page at all... Its not that clear how you got to build your army >.<

Or i might just have started bleeding in my brain and miss the
simplicity on that page

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
I really do not understand that chart at all...

The chart has really helped me understand it. I'm probably a visual learner. Basically, the box in the top left is Compulsary. And then, on top of that, you can take a Royal Court formation, and up to ten of the formations below in any combination.

I am still pretty new at this, so does a formation act as a single unit? For example, would the individual units of scarabs, spyders and wraiths act as a unit together or are they independent (but required to have on the field) of one another?

I assume you can still build an army normally, this weird Dodecahedron thing isn't compulsary?

And the first thing I noticed from those WD pics is (and this might sound silly to people but is a big thing to me) there's no real standout pieces of art in the codex preview pages. Normally the art is the first thing that grabs me, but there's nothing spectacular there. I hope there's better in the codex. Probably sounds silly.


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DeGarmo wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
I really do not understand that chart at all...

The chart has really helped me understand it. I'm probably a visual learner. Basically, the box in the top left is Compulsary. And then, on top of that, you can take a Royal Court formation, and up to ten of the formations below in any combination.

I am still pretty new at this, so does a formation act as a single unit? For example, would the individual units of scarabs, spyders and wraiths act as a unit together or are they independent (but required to have on the field) of one another?

I think formations just prescribe what units you can take, but you don't have to use them as a unit together. It doesn't effect the tabletop past limiting your choices and whatever bonus they give you.

 juanjopotro wrote:
We have a lot of pics from the next WD showing Necrons release here:

http://forofreakfactory.mforos.com/1035375/11577037-portada-y-lider-del-codex-necron-un-monton-de-fotos-exclusivas-del-freak-factory-a-dia-21/#106115551

Enjoy it!

There's the Decurion chart.. format of which sucks. The lines go through three top gray 'auxillary' options, so does that mean you need to take one of those three first, or just pick 1-10 selections of the gray options freely? If the point is to make an easy to understand chart, that's just really bad design.

Otherwise, it reminds me of Flames of War army list organisation. You have multiple options for a 'core army' and each comes with slightly adjusted auxillary choices. IMO it's a pretty good system, you can eliminate certain power builds and slightly guide the lists towards fluff.

changemod wrote:
I can't believe I'm writing up a fix suggestion before the codex is even out, but..

How about you wait for the book? 

 juanjopotro wrote:
We have a lot of pics from the next WD showing Necrons release here:

http://forofreakfactory.mforos.com/1035375/11577037-portada-y-lider-del-codex-necron-un-monton-de-fotos-exclusivas-del-freak-factory-a-dia-21/#106115551

Enjoy it!

I hope that panel "Dynasty Elites" is not implying that Immortals have moved to the Elite slot. That would suck.