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2015/01/21 15:59:49
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
changemod wrote: I can't believe I'm writing up a fix suggestion before the codex is even out, but..
How about you wait for the book?
I acknowledge that's a little absurd and your response is to point out the thing I acknowledged?
As I said though, the suggestions I placed are entirely based around the encouragement to buy extra models built in to the formations, and the inability to get a royal court without being taxed heavily for it. (Taking a second Overlord is a massive playstyle restriction due to points sunk.)
2015/01/21 16:04:42
Subject: Re:Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
changemod wrote: I can't believe I'm writing up a fix suggestion before the codex is even out, but..
How about you wait for the book?
I acknowledge that's a little absurd and your response is to point out the thing I acknowledged?
As I said though, the suggestions I placed are entirely based around the encouragement to buy extra models built in to the formations, and the inability to get a royal court without being taxed heavily for it. (Taking a second Overlord is a massive playstyle restriction due to points sunk.)
No, I'm agreeing with you. You're being absurd./
And a second overlord isn't that big a deal since you can take a CCB.
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2015/01/21 16:14:44
Subject: Re:Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
changemod wrote: I can't believe I'm writing up a fix suggestion before the codex is even out, but..
How about you wait for the book?
I acknowledge that's a little absurd and your response is to point out the thing I acknowledged?
As I said though, the suggestions I placed are entirely based around the encouragement to buy extra models built in to the formations, and the inability to get a royal court without being taxed heavily for it. (Taking a second Overlord is a massive playstyle restriction due to points sunk.)
No, I'm agreeing with you. You're being absurd./
But only marginally. Like you aren't even listening to, my objections aren't rule based. They're based around nonsense like telling a new player they need to spend thirty bucks on Jetbikes to use the core formation.
And a second overlord isn't that big a deal since you can take a CCB.
A pointsink isn't a big deal because it lets you sink even more points?
In all honesty I do not believe the Decurion detachment thing is meant for building an army to PLAY with. It is simply there to convince people that the discount () web bundles they will be introducing are worth buying.
I will bet we see Web Bundles of : Destroyer cult - 1 box of 3 destroyers, 1 single destroyer, 1 DL upgrade Deathbringer Flight - 4x Scythe boxes Annihilation nexus - 2x AB 1X Arc boxes Judicator Battalion - 2 box pretorians 1 stalker Canoptec Harvest - 1 spider, 3 wraiths, 24 warriors+ 6 scarab bases (because scarabs will still only come with warriors) and of course the "core" web bundle to START an army and makes all the new players run for the hills !!!!!!Reclamation Legion Web Bundle!!!!! 3x tomb blades 5x lychguard 10x immortals 24x warriors 1 overlord 1 monolith only $300
NOTE: these are not rumors, Just my impression on what will be coming thanks to the Decursion thing.
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2015/01/21 16:25:55
Subject: Re:Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
changemod wrote: I can't believe I'm writing up a fix suggestion before the codex is even out, but..
How about you wait for the book?
I acknowledge that's a little absurd and your response is to point out the thing I acknowledged?
As I said though, the suggestions I placed are entirely based around the encouragement to buy extra models built in to the formations, and the inability to get a royal court without being taxed heavily for it. (Taking a second Overlord is a massive playstyle restriction due to points sunk.)
No, I'm agreeing with you. You're being absurd./
But only marginally. Like you aren't even listening to, my objections aren't rule based. They're based around nonsense like telling a new player they need to spend thirty bucks on Jetbikes to use the core formation.
And a second overlord isn't that big a deal since you can take a CCB.
A pointsink isn't a big deal because it lets you sink even more points?
changemod wrote: I can't believe I'm writing up a fix suggestion before the codex is even out, but..
How about you wait for the book?
I acknowledge that's a little absurd and your response is to point out the thing I acknowledged?
Well, given how you use the word "but.." after your acknowledgement...
Gosh. Almost as if I explained myself.
Is there a reason a new player couldn't just use a normal CAD? Only mandatory units are 1 HQ and 2 Troops- seems like the perfect answer. If they want to use the Decurion they just need to add to thei collection slowly.
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Sinful Hero wrote: Is there a reason a new player couldn't just use a normal CAD? Only mandatory units are 1 HQ and 2 Troops- seems like the perfect answer. If they want to use the Decurion they just need to add to thei collection slowly.
Nothing stopping him, but unlike an ordinary formation that just gives you a small supplementary force to work with, this fancy customisable super-formation army is an elaborate marketing tool front and centre in his codex selling shiny benefits to the new player if only he buys a Tomb Bike kit or two Scythe Kits instead of one and so forth.
2015/01/21 16:33:51
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
ImAGeek wrote: I assume you can still build an army normally, this weird Dodecahedron thing isn't compulsary?
And the first thing I noticed from those WD pics is (and this might sound silly to people but is a big thing to me) there's no real standout pieces of art in the codex preview pages. Normally the art is the first thing that grabs me, but there's nothing spectacular there. I hope there's better in the codex. Probably sounds silly.
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The picture of the Overlord looks pretty sweet to me.
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2015/01/21 16:36:16
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
ImAGeek wrote: I assume you can still build an army normally, this weird Dodecahedron thing isn't compulsary?
And the first thing I noticed from those WD pics is (and this might sound silly to people but is a big thing to me) there's no real standout pieces of art in the codex preview pages. Normally the art is the first thing that grabs me, but there's nothing spectacular there. I hope there's better in the codex. Probably sounds silly.
...
The picture of the Overlord looks pretty sweet to me.
You mean the cover? I can't see another overlord picture.
2015/01/21 16:36:49
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
keltikhoa wrote: In all honesty I do not believe the Decurion detachment thing is meant for building an army to PLAY with. It is simply there to convince people that the discount () web bundles they will be introducing are worth buying.
I will bet we see Web Bundles of :
Destroyer cult - 1 box of 3 destroyers, 1 single destroyer, 1 DL upgrade
Deathbringer Flight - 4x Scythe boxes
Annihilation nexus - 2x AB 1X Arc boxes
Judicator Battalion - 2 box pretorians 1 stalker
Canoptec Harvest - 1 spider, 3 wraiths, 24 warriors+ 6 scarab bases (because scarabs will still only come with warriors)
and of course the "core" web bundle to START an army and makes all the new players run for the hills
!!!!!!Reclamation Legion Web Bundle!!!!!
3x tomb blades
5x lychguard
10x immortals
24x warriors
1 overlord
1 monolith
only $300
NOTE: these are not rumors, Just my impression on what will be coming thanks to the Decursion thing.
Yeah... with the Decursion list, the 'Tomb Awakens' seems like a pretty poor bundle because you have... at best... two of the three units required to make any of the Auxiliary choices. Seems made from the start to sell web-bundles and take more money out of your FLGS pockets.
Automatically Appended Next Post: GAAAH!!! I'm worked blocked, and I can't find the pictures. I was in some of the leaked pages... maybe a White Dwarf page.
I'm not to down on the art though... there was some really nice stuff in the Exterminatus book, my image is an example.
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2015/01/21 16:42:45
Subject: Re:Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
Sinful Hero wrote: Is there a reason a new player couldn't just use a normal CAD? Only mandatory units are 1 HQ and 2 Troops- seems like the perfect answer. If they want to use the Decurion they just need to add to thei collection slowly.
Nothing stopping him, but unlike an ordinary formation that just gives you a small supplementary force to work with, this fancy customisable super-formation army is an elaborate marketing tool front and centre in his codex selling shiny benefits to the new player if only he buys a Tomb Bike kit or two Scythe Kits instead of one and so forth.
We actually have had giant formations of formations before- it's nothing new. The only thing new about this one is you can actually field it in a sub-2000pt game. It's as much as an "elaborate marketing tool" as every other formation ever made. You field specific units, to get these bonuses. It's just an extension of that framework taken to an entire force.
>> Necrons in this formation get Relentless
>> Article claims that this has a "tremendous advantage": Necrons can now fire and charge
>> What intern wrote this article?
Sinful Hero wrote: Is there a reason a new player couldn't just use a normal CAD? Only mandatory units are 1 HQ and 2 Troops- seems like the perfect answer. If they want to use the Decurion they just need to add to thei collection slowly.
Nothing stopping him, but unlike an ordinary formation that just gives you a small supplementary force to work with, this fancy customisable super-formation army is an elaborate marketing tool front and centre in his codex selling shiny benefits to the new player if only he buys a Tomb Bike kit or two Scythe Kits instead of one and so forth.
We actually have had giant formations of formations before- it's nothing new. The only thing new about this one is you can actually field it in a sub-2000pt game. It's as much as an "elaborate marketing tool" as every other formation ever made. You field specific units, to get these bonuses. It's just an extension of that framework taken to an entire force.
Pretty much, yes. The big difference here is that it's hyped up as one of the main ways to play the army and just flexible enough to encourage you to build your collection up to use the fractions of it.
If they're going to do it this way, they more or less have an obligation to allow just a fraction more flexibility than they did. I'm not asking too much here, just to be a little more toolboxy and a little less manipulative.
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Sigvatr wrote: >> Necrons in this formation get Relentless
>> Article claims that this has a "tremendous advantage": Necrons can now fire and charge
>> What intern wrote this article?
No, that actually is pretty huge. It's a tactical option added to every troop unit in the army at once, particularly since you ideally want to be in rapid fire range anyhow.
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2015/01/21 16:58:35
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
Sigvatr wrote: >> Necrons in this formation get Relentless
>> Article claims that this has a "tremendous advantage": Necrons can now fire and charge
>> What intern wrote this article?
Lol. Is it wrong if I think that people doing internships at GW probably play the game more often and know more about the rules then the "veterans" writing these guidelines (and the actual rules)?
2015/01/21 16:59:08
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
1) I like the Decurion. It makes sense to me - Necrons are robots, they're going to be super organized. I work with databases all day, so this is just an organization breakdown.
2) I won't run Judicator Battalion unless Praetorians are amazing. I'm not dropping $100 for 2 boxes of mediocre semi-assault units just to put a Stalker on the table. If I want my Stalker, I'll just run a CAD.
3) I think that we're going to see a re-classification of the Transcendent C'Tan. I don't think it'll be Gargantuan anymore, just a souped up C'Tan - more expensive than Nightbringer or Deciever but more powerful. I also don't know about the Obelisk - if you can run up to 10 in the Decurion, I dunno if it'll keep Superheavy, or get changed or what not. I think the Vault will be the Super Heavy option and the other two will get toned down to be in line with other power levels.
4) Will the Decurion be part of the Codex? Or am I going to need this White Dwarf to run one? Codex isn't even out yet and I need this WD, the WD from December with the Formation, and Shield of Baal: Exterminatus. Ugh.
2015/01/21 17:01:13
Subject: Re:Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
No, that actually is pretty huge. It's a tactical option added to every troop unit in the army at once, particularly since you ideally want to be in rapid fire range anyhow.
When choosing between being able to fire 40 shots and charge, just to then immediately die, and firing 40 shots with full BS and then 40 shots at BS1...the choice isn't too tough. Even better with the (current!) Tesla rules.
The Tomb Blades part is still weirding me out (thanks for deleting my post without telling me btw, great job!). Why would you force people to include Tomb Blades? They are the least fluffy units in the entire codex. Maybe, they just didn't sell well enough?
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The Decurion is a detachment made of formations. Formations are detachments themselves, therefore the Decurion is a detachment of detachments.
So shouldn't it be called the Recursion Detachment instead.
Well, it could also be considered a formation made up of formations, not all unlike the Champions of Fenris "super-formation", which you get fielding all other formations in the supplement at once.
2015/01/21 17:09:37
Subject: Re:Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
No, that actually is pretty huge. It's a tactical option added to every troop unit in the army at once, particularly since you ideally want to be in rapid fire range anyhow.
When choosing between being able to fire 40 shots and charge, just to then immediately die, and firing 40 shots with full BS and then 40 shots at BS1...the choice isn't too tough.
Assuming you're thinking of charging something that you don't safely outclass, yes.
2015/01/21 17:16:09
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
Maybe Illuminor will get better abilities to buff troops making them more effective in cc.
I hope they retool Szeras (spelling?) such cool model and decent but missing something. Though with mulitple detachemnts he is not taking up valuable HQ slots so maybe he will be cool.
Always wanted to field Orikan also for fun. I think I might buy two Orikan's and the new lord and kitbash a buffed Orikan for when the "stars are right". If they ever are right lol.
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2015/01/21 17:24:24
Subject: Re:Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
I don't give a gak what changes they make unless the Deathbringer formation when it shoots gives your opponent victory points being able to take 4 Doomscythes is going to be awesome.
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2015/01/21 17:50:09
Subject: Re:Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
This may be a silly question... Will new codec contain units from IA12? And if standard CAD is no more, how will IA12 work with the non red harvest units (tessleract arc, sentinel etc).
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